Parker and Povetkin won last night

[Rob3_142]

Parker didn't win and didn't even put enough effort for that. It looked like he came to collect a check and not get KO'ed.

Keep in mind that Parker threw over 100 more punches than Joshua and according to compubox, landed slightly more power punches. The real person to blame is the terrible referee who wouldn't let them fight on the inside, as well as the corrupt judges who gave every close round to Joshua, as well as some that should have been scored to Parker too.

All that said, crap ref aside, Joshua did enough to win, just not by the margins the judges had it.

Have you got a link to the compubox stats?

[Rob3_142]

As Paulie was saying on commentary, the rounds were close, and considering hometown money etc. The close rounds were given in favor of AJ.

Given both are champs, I would have been satisfied with a draw. or at least a split decision. But Parker did not win. I would say he did enough to defend the belt arguably.

Povetkin looked decent I agree, but how much does he have left in the tank for a young Top 10 heavyweight?

One thing we fail to address here is that Parker has been living a charmed life recently, receiving favourable points victories against Takam, Ruiz and Hughie, where it could quite easily have gone the other way!

[danconnollyeire]

The fact is, on the few occasions they were allowed to fight on the inside, Joshua started uncorking the uppercut and left hook.

If you want to convince yourself Parker would have won if he'd been allowed to fight on the inside, fine, but there's no evidence to support the idea. Joshua isn't afraid of inside fighting.

The ref definitely spoilt the fight, and was utterly clueless, allowing Joshua to box with the tape flapping around from his glove, which is an obvious hazard to the other fighter.

Why they appointed this buffoon is a mystery.

No more a mystery than why they appointed Joe Cortez to ref the Mayweather-Hatton fight in honest Las Vegas. Both did what they were told to do by their bosses. I think both could have used some acting lessons so they could have been a bit more subtle, but, like i said before, they just don't care anymore. At least this italian ref didn't get his photo taken hugging and smiling broadly with Joshua after the fight, like Cortez did with Mayweather after that similar bit of work.

You're talking crap. Eddie Hearn, AJ's prmoter, even complained about the ref

[jezzamundo]

Parker didn't win and didn't even put enough effort for that. It looked like he came to collect a check and not get KO'ed.

Keep in mind that Parker threw over 100 more punches than Joshua and according to compubox, landed slightly more power punches. The real person to blame is the terrible referee who wouldn't let them fight on the inside, as well as the corrupt judges who gave every close round to Joshua, as well as some that should have been scored to Parker too.

All that said, crap ref aside, Joshua did enough to win, just not by the margins the judges had it.

Have you got a link to the compubox stats?

https://www.BS.com/anthony-jos ... ts--126756

[greg]

..the stats look a lot closer than I thought..

[Rob3_142]

I'm not sure. Parker threw a lot of punches, but was very inaccurate. Joshua landed more punches in 10 of the 12 rounds.

I think both boxers lacked a plan B, which meant the frustration carried for the duration of the fight.

[jezzamundo]

I'm not sure. Parker threw a lot of punches, but was very inaccurate. Joshua landed more punches in 10 of the 12 rounds.

I think both boxers lacked a plan B, which meant the frustration carried for the duration of the fight.

Parker landed more power punches in 7 out of the 12 rounds too and threw over 100 more punches. Don't get me wrong - Joshua deserved the W, but the scorecards were too wide.

[higgs88]

Parker won the fight? Anyone got contact details for specsavers?

[Rob3_142]

I'm not sure. Parker threw a lot of punches, but was very inaccurate. Joshua landed more punches in 10 of the 12 rounds.

I think both boxers lacked a plan B, which meant the frustration carried for the duration of the fight.

Parker landed more power punches in 7 out of the 12 rounds too and threw over 100 more punches. Don't get me wrong - Joshua deserved the W, but the scorecards were too wide.

It's completely irrelevant how many punches he threw, 85% of his jabs missed. Jabs are scoring shots, so when you land 40 more than your opposition, you're going to be difficult to beat on the cards.

[jamamb]

..the stats look a lot closer than I thought..

there generous to parker imo

and remember there not undeniable 'fact', there just the opinions of guys watching, compubox saying x landed doesnt mean it must be true

[jezzamundo]

I'm not sure. Parker threw a lot of punches, but was very inaccurate. Joshua landed more punches in 10 of the 12 rounds.

I think both boxers lacked a plan B, which meant the frustration carried for the duration of the fight.

Parker landed more power punches in 7 out of the 12 rounds too and threw over 100 more punches. Don't get me wrong - Joshua deserved the W, but the scorecards were too wide.

It's completely irrelevant how many punches he threw, 85% of his jabs missed. Jabs are scoring shots, so when you land 40 more than your opposition, you're going to be difficult to beat on the cards.

Not saying it's right, but in the case of close rounds, some judges will go for the fighter who is 'busier', which is why I mention Parker throwing more.

[greg]

..the stats look a lot closer than I thought..

there generous to parker imo

and remember there not undeniable 'fact', there just the opinions of guys watching, compubox saying x landed doesnt mean it must be true

..surely it's not perfect and there's a margin of error..still the number of landed shots and therefore close rounds is higher than I expected..

[jamamb]

i question compubox on parker, they also had him outlanding ruiz and massively outlanding fury, neither of which i saw

and i remember danny green actually commisioning them for after the fact numbers on his mundine rematch, which green then convienently used to defend against calls that it was a poor decision

ya, not shady at all

[Rob3_142]

Anyone fancy re-watching the fight and scoring the punches?

[Rob3_142]

Parker landed more power punches in 7 out of the 12 rounds too and threw over 100 more punches. Don't get me wrong - Joshua deserved the W, but the scorecards were too wide.

It's completely irrelevant how many punches he threw, 85% of his jabs missed. Jabs are scoring shots, so when you land 40 more than your opposition, you're going to be difficult to beat on the cards.

Not saying it's right, but in the case of close rounds, some judges will go for the fighter who is 'busier', which is why I mention Parker throwing more.

Well once again, power punches does not indicate how busy a puncher is, total punches does.

[jezzamundo]

It's completely irrelevant how many punches he threw, 85% of his jabs missed. Jabs are scoring shots, so when you land 40 more than your opposition, you're going to be difficult to beat on the cards.

Not saying it's right, but in the case of close rounds, some judges will go for the fighter who is 'busier', which is why I mention Parker throwing more.

Well once again, power punches does not indicate how busy a puncher is, total punches does.

Parker threw over 100 more punches total, so he was the busier fighter. He was also the less accurate, lighter-punching fighter, hence Joshua getting the win. I'm not claiming it was a robbery, but it wasn't a dominant performance either, whatever the scorecards said.

[Ilya Muromets]

Excerpt from post above:

"Parker’s trainer Kevin Barry stated, “Obviously when one guy’s got a 76-inch reach and the other guy’s got 84-85, it’s very important to us when we do close the distance that we’re able to work. Unfortunately for us the referee just didn’t allow us to do that."

Sure, "Parker and Povetkin won last night" is hyperbole, but the fight was fixed, the ref was bought, and the judges too. That's the way big boxing matches go these days. "Sports entertainment", like wrasslin.

[Rob3_142]

Excerpt from post above:

"Parker’s trainer Kevin Barry stated, “Obviously when one guy’s got a 76-inch reach and the other guy’s got 84-85, it’s very important to us when we do close the distance that we’re able to work. Unfortunately for us the referee just didn’t allow us to do that."

Sure, "Parker and Povetkin won last night" is hyperbole, but the fight was fixed, the ref was bought, and the judges too. That's the way big boxing matches go these days. "Sports entertainment", like wrasslin.

Please stop making a fool of yourself.

[candyslim]

The referee was bloody awful no doubt about it, but I don't believe for one moment there was any kind of organized conspiracy to nullify the ability of Parker to work inside.

Theoretically, being prevented from working inside hurt Parker more than Joshua, given that working from distance has to favour the boxer with height and reach. In practice I'm not convinced because Joshua's size and strength may well have allowed him to dominate at close quarters and meant Parker was under more sustained pressure. I say "may".

I think the scorecards were fair. A wide margin doesn't mean the fight can't be close. If one fighter just shades every round in a highly competitive contest you're going to get scores of 120 - 108 or 100 - 90. I gave Parker about three rounds. The fight was close only because Joshua was doing what he needed to do, and no more. He wasn't taking any chances. In my opinion he gave Parker too much respect. I do firmly believe Joshua had plenty in reserve and if Parker had been more committed, more aggressive, then Joshua would have had to move up a gear, but the result would have been the same - a clear but close decision where most rounds were taken by Joshua doing just enough to win most of them.

Fair play to team Parker. They were well aware of the reality which I've just outlined, and were very gracious and classy in defeat. We have not seen the last of Joe Parker.

[Rob3_142]

The Parker camp have been classy throughout the build up and aftermath. I like the way they go about business.

[oogiebe]

The Parker camp have been classy throughout the build up and aftermath. I like the way they go about business.

Great post. I like positive posts such as this. Plus, it's a great callout of what is right with boxing. Class...

[Ilya Muromets]

The referee was bloody awful no doubt about it, but I don't believe for one moment there was any kind of organized conspiracy to nullify the ability of Parker to work inside.

Theoretically, being prevented from working inside hurt Parker more than Joshua, given that working from distance has to favour the boxer with height and reach. In practice I'm not convinced because Joshua's size and strength may well have allowed him to dominate at close quarters and meant Parker was under more sustained pressure. I say "may".

I think the scorecards were fair. A wide margin doesn't mean the fight can't be close. If one fighter just shades every round in a highly competitive contest you're going to get scores of 120 - 108 or 100 - 90. I gave Parker about three rounds. The fight was close only because Joshua was doing what he needed to do, and no more. He wasn't taking any chances. In my opinion he gave Parker too much respect. I do firmly believe Joshua had plenty in reserve and if Parker had been more committed, more aggressive, then Joshua would have had to move up a gear, but the result would have been the same - a clear but close decision where most rounds were taken by Joshua doing just enough to win most of them.

Fair play to team Parker. They were well aware of the reality which I've just outlined, and were very gracious and classy in defeat. We have not seen the last of Joe Parker.

You're one of the very good posters on here, Candy, but I pretty much disagree with everything you said in this one. Do you think it was just a coincidence that the ref dived in everytime they get close when the unfavored fighter absolutely needed to fight in close because his arms are shorter?

[Ilya Muromets]

The Parker camp have been classy throughout the build up and aftermath. I like the way they go about business.

Great post. I like positive posts such as this. Plus, it's a great callout of what is right with boxing. Class...

I disagree. They are doing what George Foreman said that boxers need to stop doing, namely standing there meekly and politely and accepting all the crookedness in boxing, fake judge decisions, fake referees, etc. Parker's corner should have protested the ref's ongoing shenanigans, not letting their man fight on the inside, and if necessary refuse to continue with the fight.

[danconnollyeire]

The referee was bloody awful no doubt about it, but I don't believe for one moment there was any kind of organized conspiracy to nullify the ability of Parker to work inside.

Theoretically, being prevented from working inside hurt Parker more than Joshua, given that working from distance has to favour the boxer with height and reach. In practice I'm not convinced because Joshua's size and strength may well have allowed him to dominate at close quarters and meant Parker was under more sustained pressure. I say "may".

I think the scorecards were fair. A wide margin doesn't mean the fight can't be close. If one fighter just shades every round in a highly competitive contest you're going to get scores of 120 - 108 or 100 - 90. I gave Parker about three rounds. The fight was close only because Joshua was doing what he needed to do, and no more. He wasn't taking any chances. In my opinion he gave Parker too much respect. I do firmly believe Joshua had plenty in reserve and if Parker had been more committed, more aggressive, then Joshua would have had to move up a gear, but the result would have been the same - a clear but close decision where most rounds were taken by Joshua doing just enough to win most of them.

Fair play to team Parker. They were well aware of the reality which I've just outlined, and were very gracious and classy in defeat. We have not seen the last of Joe Parker.

You're one of the very good posters on here, Candy, but I pretty much disagree with everything you said in this one. Do you think it was just a coincidence that the ref dived in everytime they get close when the unfavored fighter absolutely needed to fight in close because his arms are shorter?

Literally all of AJ's team have critised the ref. Especially Hearn. Would they do that if he worked for their fighter?

[candyslim]

To be fair Dan if it was a conspiracy I think I'd be inclined to do just that but then I'm a devious bastard unlike that nice Mr Hearn

Thank you for the complement x2x but no I really don't think it was anything more sinister than a sh1t overzealous and inexperienced referee. Team Joshua have always had great faith in his ability as evidenced by the speed at which his career has moved.

I honestly don't believe Eddie would have thought they needed an edge.

Of course I could be wrong.