On This Day: Sugar Ray Leonard defeated Marvin Hagler in one of boxing’s most controversial decisions

Who did you have winning?

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Leonard
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On This Day: Sugar Ray Leonard defeated Marvin Hagler in one of boxing’s most controversial decisions

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Harry Mullan, at ringside, saw Sugar Ray Leonard seal one of the great comebacks with hotly disputed verdict over the formidable Marvin Hagler in 1987

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The richest fight in boxing history produced one of the sport’s most controversial decisions as Sugar Ray Leonard defied the odds and the still formidable skills of middleweight legend Marvelous Marvin Hagler to become the 10th man to win world titles at three different weights.

Leonard, the former welterweight and light-middleweight (WBA) champion, ended Hagler’s seven-year spell at the top of the middleweight division with a superbly executed but bitterly disputed split decision win in front of a capacity 15,000 crowd in Las Vegas’ Caesars Stadium and an estimated worldwide TV audience of around 300 million on April 6, 1987.

Leonard (11st 4lbs) had boxed only once in five years, and by fight time had drifted to four to one against in the Las Vegas betting.

The gamble paid off gloriously, even if I could not agree with the verdict, and especially with the ludicrously wide margin of 118-110 which judge Jo Jo Guerra of Mexico City awarded the new champion, giving Hagler only two of the 12 rounds.

Leonard’s other vote came from judge Dave Moretti, 115-113, while the third official, Lou Filippo, had it 115-113 for Hagler (11st 4 1/2 lbs). I scored it 116-113 Hagler or 7-4-1 in rounds.

Hagler was scathing about the judging: “Leonard came to me at the end and said: ‘You’ve won, man you beat me.’ But I thought – let’s wait. This is Las Vegas, the big betting town. They did this to me before with Antuofermo.” (Hagler’s first bid was against Vito Antuofermo in this city in 1979, when he got a draw).

Leonard, unmarked except for some slight lumpiness around the left eye, gave his press conference before Hagler and so could not be questioned as to whether he had, as Hagler claimed, acknowledged defeat in the ring.

Certainly there was no suggestion of it in anything he said at the conference.

A second conference was scheduled for Tuesday morning, local time, after the issue had gone to press.

“This was what I said I would do and I did it,” he said. “It wasn’t for the title – just beating Marvin Hagler was enough.

“Tonight was a special accomplishment for me. This fight meant the world to me. I want to thank Marvelous Marvin Hagler for giving me this chance to make history. My strategy was to stick and move, hit and run, taunt and frustrate and it worked.”


Hagler replied by saying “Leonard fought like a girl. I really thought they should have deducted points for all the holding and grabbing. His punches meant nothing.

“I fought my heart out. I kept my belt. I can’t believe they took it away from me. A champion shouldn’t lose on split decisions.”

The fight should have happened five years ago, before Leonard was forced into retirement by his eye injury. Neither is clearly as good as he was then but between them they still produced a championship which justified the hype and the $23m guarantee that they shared.

The fight fell into two segments, with Leonard winning the early rounds and Hagler coming on strongly to take command from the fifth.

Leonard’s lead was steadily eroded – at least on my card – until by the 10th it had disappeared.

But it was always a fascinating tactical battle, even if it lacked the fire and fury of Hagler’s epic wins in this ring over Thomas Hearns and John Mugabi.
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Bob Arum recalled the fight he promoted 30 years ago.

“Top Rank promoted that fight, which took place on April 6, 1987. It was a momentous event in the world of boxing. I want to set the scene for that event particularly for the younger people who may not be aware. The scene was very important. ‘Marvelous’ Marvin Hagler had come up the hard way in boxing. He had never been to the Olympics and he fought any fighter that would step in the ring with him. He’d have to go from Boston to Philadelphia and other places to find opponents who would fight him. Through intervention of the Speaker of the House of Representatives Tip O’Neil and Senator Ted Kennedy who sent letters to various people, including myself at Top Rank, they forced everyone to give ‘Marvelous’ Marvin Hagler a shot at the middleweight title. His first shot, I thought he clearly won the fight against Vito Antifermo, but the judges scored it a draw. A year later he fought Alan Minter over in London and stopped Minter in the early rounds – bloodying him so much that the fight had to be stopped. Marvin was greeted by the great sportsmen in England by a barrage of bottles and cans so that everybody had to hide under the ring until the police were ready to restore order. But came back to the United States a real hero then he embarked on a streak of defending his middleweight title. His first big fight was in 1983 against Roberto Duran and then in ’85 in a major, major event he and Thomas Hearns fought a great middleweight championship battle and Marvin knocked Tommy out in the third round. Marvin wanted to retire from boxing at that point but his managers and myself as the promoter convinced him to carry on and in 1986 he fought John ‘The Beast’ Mugabi and Mugabi was a tough hard-punching guy – they went toe-to-toe and in the eleventh round, Marvin knocked Mugabi out."

“Ray Leonard had been retired for a number of years and he had been watching that fight and he saw what very few people saw – that Marvin was aging, he was slowing up and Ray, even though he was retired, felt he could come back and take on Hagler. When he announced that he was coming out of retirement, people were incredulous. Hagler went off as a 6:1 or 7:1 favorite in the fight because Leonard was retired and Hagler was this dominant champion – nobody gave Leonard a chance. To put it in perspective, remember the media frenzy when Manny Pacquiao fought Oscar De La Hoya? All of the media people were saying what a mismatch it was and De La Hoya was an overwhelming favorite. We remember, because it was fairly recent, what happened in that fight, Pacquiao dominated and won that fight, but the feeling was the same going into the Hagler-Leonard fight. Ray Leonard was a great fighter, retired, and then coming out of retirement against this dominant middleweight, ‘Marvelous’ Marvin Hagler."

“The country was mesmerized. Ray Leonard was extremely popular – he was the poster boy for boxing. I hope that young Shakur Stevenson will follow in the footsteps of Ray Leonard because he has that kind of personality, but Ray was the darling of America and the darling of boxing. Marvin was respected – everybody realized what a workman-like fighter he was. To sell that fight I called it ‘The Yuppie’ being Leonard who came out of the Olympics with a gold medal and had big television exposure from the beginning against the blue collar guy Marvin Hagler who had worked himself up and become the dominant middleweight of his time."

“The closed circuit locations were filled. This was the first fight that really touched/started into pay-per-view in various parts of the country. It was a massive, massive event. The fight was sold out in one day and everyone was gathered for this terrific event. I’ll tell you I haven’t seen that fight in 30 years but I remember it as if it happened yesterday."

“I thought it was a great fight. I thought Ray did a tremendous job, better than anybody expected him to do. I had it 115-113 for ‘Marvelous’ Marvin Hagler. The same score that Lou Felippo – one of the judges had it for Hagler. The other judge from Las Vegas, David Moretti, had it 115-113 for Leonard. Jose Sulaiman’s appointed judge, Jo Jo Guerrero, who never judged another fight, had it eleven rounds to one for Leonard."

“[Stealing rounds with flurries at the end] was not a unique tactic for Sugar Ray and it was modelled after Muhammad Ali. Very often, in close rounds, particularly in the Norton fight, he would flurry at the end so that the impression he left in the judges’ minds was that he won the round. Obviously rounds should be scored for the full three minutes but there is no questions that human beings being human will give more credit for the last part of a round – not that that’s correct, but that’s how it works… He was a brilliant fighter, because physically he couldn’t compare. at that point, to Hagler."

“Marvin could not do a fight unless he got himself into a position where he disliked the opponent. He would put a picture of his opponent up on his bedroom wall so that he would glare back at it. To motivate himself he was the kind of fighter that had to create a dislike for his opponent. Now the guy he really hated, when he fought him, was Hearns. Because when we had them on a tour, Tommy got under Marvin’s skin. But Marvin was disdainful toward Ray because he believed Ray had it so easy in boxing and that he, Marvin, had struggled so hard, but it wasn’t the same kind of hatred that he had for Tommy. I must say that now, many years later, these guys are great friends."

“He wanted to quit after the Hearns fight – and I want fighters to hear this. Then we got him to fight Mugabi, then he didn’t want to go any more – he didn’t want to fight Ray Leonard and what happened was, I remember driving through the night with Pat Petronelli, Hagler’s manager, from Boston to New Hampshire where Hagler had a house. We went through fog and everything. I waited and Pat started talking to him and Marvin was banging his hands on the table and afterwards I asked Pat ‘what was that about?’ He said well, I said to Marvin, my brother Goody, who is Hagler’s trainer, we were getting a third of his purse, and we would cut it down if he would take this fight, and he banged the table, Marvin did and said ‘I don’t know if I’m going to fight this punk, but if I do you better take one third.’ He was a hell of a guy, Marvin – he is a hell of a guy. Ray was great too. Ray, Tommy, Roberto [Duran] – those four guys are examples for all fighters. They were terrific fighters and terrific people.”
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Re: On This Day: Sugar Ray Leonard defeated Marvin Hagler in one of boxing’s most controversial decisions

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I don't know, why it is considered to be controversial and why so many experts scored for Hagler. No doubt it was Leonard's fight. Hagler showed more effort, but it can be clearly seen, that Leonard was more effective.
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leonard won fair and square, i think it just stung a lot of ppl and they dont want to admit that leonard won
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Can you imagine getting home from work on a Monday and having this fight to enjoy, brilliant !
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I scored it 114-114, but I don't have an issue with the decision in Leonard's favor. Close fight.
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 06 Apr 2018, 04:01
Hagler was scathing about the judging: "Leonard came to me at the end and said: ‘You’ve won, man you beat me.’ But I thought – let’s wait. This is Las Vegas, the big betting town.
Leonard didn't say anything of the kind to Hagler...

LMAO!!!! Hagler DIDN'T think "Let's just wait... This is Vegas." He was prancing around the ring like a preening peacock -- celebrating BEFORE the cards were read.." .... When I saw that I said "Quit strutting fool... You did nothing but blow it."

Hagler didn't deserve the decision... Leonard won comfortably... Taking an early lead and closing rounds solidly
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Lost count of how many time's I watched this fight but I do remember every time I watched it SRL Won a close but very clear decision by out boxing Marvin and Angelo Dundee had a BIG part in the victory with his motivating corner work Team Leonard won the day The petronelli brother's corner work was as if they were having an exhibition no emotion/passion but like I touched on SRL corner was full of believe /passion /emotion this fight was won by one man it was not wide on the card's like one judge had it I don't know what fight that judge watched but no one should have 118 on their score card in that fight Hagler certainly won more then 2 round's just not enough to give him the nod in any shape or form period. :zzz:
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Another one of those fights where many people are snookered into believing Hagler deserved it simply because he was the busier aggressor.

But in terms of clean effective punching and ring generalship, Leonard won hands down.

115-113 Leonard.
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Close fight no controversy
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I was a huge Marvin fan and never liked SRL, though I recognize his greatness. I thought for sure Marvin would do him in within two rounds. But it's hard to win a 12 rounder if you don't start until the fifth. This was Sugar Ray's fight and it wasn't that close.
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golden oldie wrote: 14 Apr 2018, 13:50
ClivePatrickLyons wrote: 11 Apr 2018, 20:37 Lost count of how many time's I watched this fight but I do remember every time I watched it SRL Won a close but very clear decision by out boxing Marvin and Angelo Dundee had a BIG part in the victory with his motivating corner work Team Leonard won the day The petronelli brother's corner work was as if they were having an exhibition no emotion/passion but like I touched on SRL corner was full of believe /passion /emotion this fight was won by one man it was not wide on the card's like one judge had it I don't know what fight that judge watched but no one should have 118 on their score card in that fight Hagler certainly won more then 2 round's just not enough to give him the nod in any shape or form period. :zzz:
From the Hagler fights I've seen the Petronelli brothers NEVER showed emotion / passion, so why should they have because it was Leonard?
No because he was losing sensible hahahaha did you see what Angelo did in the opposite corner it made Haglers corner and even one of the commentators mentioned it a tea party they were out cornered no end pal watch the fight :OhYes:
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ClivePatrickLyons wrote: 16 Apr 2018, 00:56
golden oldie wrote: 14 Apr 2018, 13:50
ClivePatrickLyons wrote: 11 Apr 2018, 20:37 Lost count of how many time's I watched this fight but I do remember every time I watched it SRL Won a close but very clear decision by out boxing Marvin and Angelo Dundee had a BIG part in the victory with his motivating corner work Team Leonard won the day The petronelli brother's corner work was as if they were having an exhibition no emotion/passion but like I touched on SRL corner was full of believe /passion /emotion this fight was won by one man it was not wide on the card's like one judge had it I don't know what fight that judge watched but no one should have 118 on their score card in that fight Hagler certainly won more then 2 round's just not enough to give him the nod in any shape or form period. :zzz:
From the Hagler fights I've seen the Petronelli brothers NEVER showed emotion / passion, so why should they have because it was Leonard?
No because he was losing hahahaha did you see what Angelo did in the opposite corner it made Haglers corner and even one of the commentators mentioned it a tea party they were out cornered no end pal watch the fight :OhYes:
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I've always thought Hagler's post-fight reaction was pretty pathetic. Not his interview or press conference or any of that, but his awkward little dance around the ring, trying to signify that he clearly won, as if the audience were dumb enough to fall prey to such a disingenuous display of gravitas. The dude was hard as nails in certain aspects, but soft as hell in others, and that aspect of his personality was on full display there. It's the only thing that gives me pause when discussing him seriously as the greatest Middleweight of all time. The Duran performance being another. Both fights he could've, and should've, won emphatically, but was done in by his own insecure brain.
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Great fight, have watched it many times. Pretty close but this one definitely goes to Leonard. He fought brilliantly and as much as I love Hagler...it just wasn't a good night for him.
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Abradolf Lincler wrote: 18 Apr 2018, 00:45 I've always thought Hagler's post-fight reaction was pretty pathetic. Not his interview or press conference or any of that, but his awkward little dance around the ring, trying to signify that he clearly won, as if the audience were dumb enough to fall prey to such a disingenuous display of gravitas. The dude was hard as nails in certain aspects, but soft as hell in others, and that aspect of his personality was on full display there. It's the only thing that gives me pause when discussing him seriously as the greatest Middleweight of all time. The Duran performance being another. Both fights he could've, and should've, won emphatically, but was done in by his own insecure brain.
That pretty much sums it up. It's just hard to imagine that the best middleweight of all time couldn't beat a a guy who had one fight in the previous 5 years. He of course had some really impressive performances. But this and the Duran fight really hurts his case. I would add the unimpressive performance in the first Antuofermo fight as well. He gave away some rounds in that fight as well.

That he was such a crybaby about the decision in the Leonard fight really turned me off on him as well.
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8-4 Hagler.
One guy running and slapping, the other guy chasing and punching...ray won over the crowd and the judges, but didn't win the fight.
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Duran1970 wrote: 19 Apr 2018, 18:03 8-4 Hagler.
One guy running and slapping, the other guy chasing and punching...ray won over the crowd and the judges, but didn't win the fight.
I thought Hagler won by the mere fact that Leanard only fought the last 30 seconds of each round for the most part. The Ali technique of stealing rounds.
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What actually happened is one fighter won 1 round after round 5..if anyone thinks Leonard won that fight stop scoring fights cuz you have no clue ... Even Leonard admitted to Hagler he lost.... So get off Leonard s jock and call a spade a spade....take an undisputed man's title by running trying to survive in the championship rounds? Hahahahahaha
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golden oldie wrote: 18 Apr 2018, 00:19
ClivePatrickLyons wrote: 16 Apr 2018, 04:21
ClivePatrickLyons wrote: 16 Apr 2018, 00:56

No because he was losing hahahaha did you see what Angelo did in the opposite corner it made Haglers corner and even one of the commentators mentioned it a tea party they were out cornered no end pal watch the fight :OhYes:
And your point after 2 posts exactly the same is?



Other than the fact you are a Leonard fanboy. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
NO IM A BOXING FAN BOY AND WAS WITH HAGLER IN THAT FIGHT I THOUGHT HE WOULD HE WOULD DESTROY SRL BUT THAT NEVER HAPPENED :OhYes: :OhYes: :OhYes: :OhYes: :OhYes: :OhYes: :OhYes: :OhYes: :OhYes: :OhYes:
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so far 30% of the people think Hagler won. Interesting enough, there was a poll several years ago where 30% believed man has never landed on the moon. Makes you wonder if they are the same 30%.
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Who the Hell were they asking in their poll? .... That's very important.

If you're taking a poll of 3rd graders you might get that result.. You need to have a representative sample size.. I would wager 90% of adults know we landed on the moon.. No wonder the world has serious problems if it's 70%.. Good grief.
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Leonard won 8 - 4 on my card.

Schooled Hagler first 5 rounds.

Hagler came on strong after round 8.

Hagler may have stopped SRL if it had been a 15 rounder.

Great fight. I never tire of watching it.
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Leonard won 8-4. It's not Ray's fault that Marvin had faded and got caught up in Leonard's mind games, and got greedy, and therefore lost his title.
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