Where do you rank Povetkin historically?

[oogiebe]

Povetkin was absolutely clueless against Wlad, he was awful. He might be in the Top 100 heavies ever, but he’s a long long way down the list.

That's not so unusual. Tyson was clueless against Lewis. Tua was clueless against Lewis. Wlad was clueless against Fury. Virtually everyone was clueless against post-2006 Wlad except for Fury and Joshua. Unfortunately, sometimes even when you're a great fighter, the other guy in the ring is better.

Yes, but Tyson was at least competetive against Lewis for the first 3 minutes of their fight despite being well past his prime. Wlad won 3 or 4 rounds against Fury. Even Tua landed a couple of glancing left hooks in the first 3 rounds against Lewis. I have never seen a fighter as skilled as Povetkin (he is much more skilled than mentioned Tua) being so cluelless in the ring as he was in the fight against Wlad. He was like mesmerized by Wlad's jab and footwork.

Great...now I'm going to have to watch that fight again...

[fanman]

He was one of Wlad's top wins, that's about it.

agree with that. it is a mark of respect in itself. just like haye was one of wlads best wins.
but the guy never held a legitimate world title or scored any major wins, so doesnt really come in to play in any all time ranking. ... obviously a decent fighter though.

[Luis Fernando12]

I disagree on Haye being "totally unproven" at HW. He did way better against Wlad comparing to Povetkin (and mind here, Haye was fighting better version of Wlad). Also, he still is the only guy who knocked down Chisora. Valuev is unskilled freak, but hurting badly 330 lbs 7 feet tall guy who was never hurt before shows as that Haye had the power even against super-sized HWs. Haye's HW resume is thin though comparing to Povetkin

Haye lost every round against Wlad and just came to survive whilst running away. Povetkin came to fight and Wlad was forced to hold and grapple Povetkin to defend himself against Povetkin. I know who did better (offensively at the very least). Wlad didn't have to hold Haye because Haye wasn't as much of a threat whilst Povetkin posed a far bigger threat.

Povetkin knocked out Carlos Takam, who is superior to Dereck Chisora in every department and nobody else KO'ed Takam previously or after. Even Haye himself said that Takam is Chisora x3 after sparring him before his fight against Chisora.

Povetkin is a lot more proven at heavyweight than Haye. No contest! Haye has horrible stamina and work rate compared to Povetkin. Povetkin would beat Haye on work rate alone.

I think both Eddie Chambers and Ruslan Chagaev could beat David Haye too.

Haye won 3, 2 and 1 rounds out of 12 against Wlad on judges scorecards in Germany (Wlad's backyard). Povetkin won 0, 0 and 0 rounds on judges cards against Wlad while fighting in Russia. And, again, 37 y.o. Banks-trained version of Wlad was worse than 35 y.o. Steward-trained version.

Even if I agree with you that Haye did better against Wlad than how Povetkin did against Wlad. That doesn't therefore mean Haye beats Povetkin. Far from it!

Samuel Peter performed better against Wladimir Klitschko than how Eddie Chambers performed against Wladimir Klitshcko. HOWVER, when Eddie Chambers and Samuel Peter fought each other. Who won? That's right! Chambers won!

Povetkin is simply superior to Haye as a heavyweight. He has a gold medal at super heavyweight in the Olympics and has a far better resume in the pros and is far more proven.

Wladimir Klitschko had to foul to beat Povetkin and deserved to be disqualified. However, Wlad didn't have to foul to beat Haye and didn't need to be disqualified by his performance against Haye. This means, Wlad's performance against Haye was much better than his performance against Povetkin.

[Kalan]

Povetkin is definitely a big name in boxing history, despite not being a champion. I rank him higher, than Maskaev or Bruno, for example. He is somewhat of Tua or Morrison caliber. He is skilled and he is always a threat to anyone. I think, he deserves a title, I'll be glad, if he gets Joshua fight and manages to win.

I agree he is better than Maskaev and Bruno but I'd also rank him ahead of Tua and Morrison too. Tua was one-dimensional and Morrison had a weak chin. I think Povetkin (prime version) would stop Maskaev, Bruno and Morrison and would outpoint Tua. However, I'm not sure he would be able to beat somebody like a focused Tim Witherspoon.

Both in their prime Tua would had destroyed him

Povetkin is 38.... At 38 Tua was a shitt bump who couldn't beat China-chin Monte Barrett... GTFOOH

[armageto]

I agree he is better than Maskaev and Bruno but I'd also rank him ahead of Tua and Morrison too. Tua was one-dimensional and Morrison had a weak chin. I think Povetkin (prime version) would stop Maskaev, Bruno and Morrison and would outpoint Tua. However, I'm not sure he would be able to beat somebody like a focused Tim Witherspoon.

Both in their prime Tua would had destroyed him

Povetkin is 38.... At 38 Tua was a shitt bump who couldn't beat China-chin Monte Barrett... GTFOOH

What does that have to do with Tua's prime? I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with Tua would win, but what does a 38 year old Tua or Povetkin have to do with either fighters prime?

[danconnollyeire]

What makes people think Haye is any good? The only thing he did was fighting bums, receiving wins he didn't deserve and on top of that losing. He even ran away scared from Briggs? He's like the Deontay Wilder from the UK.

Here we go with the 'I caught my mum sucking off Haye' obsessive stuff again

Hahahahaha, you rate an idiot above Povetkin and when I tell you the truth you're going to act like he ever had a chance to hurt me :s.
You're a funny guy, I think you can make Haye a happy men.

You mean man*

I don't even like Haye, I think he's a prick and he's pretty shot now. He was a fantastic cruiser, a decent heavy and more arsenal than Povetkin but your obsessiveness is strange/scary. Can barely go 2 comments without mentioning his name. Weird for someone you don't know personally

[man]

I know his career isn't over yet and things can change if he wins the title, but as for now - where do you rank him comparing to former title holders and top-conteenders like Maskaev, Rahman, Brewster, Bruno, Tucker, Tua, Quarry, Cooney?

i think he fits in that list, maybe at the
lower end. it is difficult to judge with
these carefully managed careers ...

[asdfjkl]

Here we go with the 'I caught my mum sucking off Haye' obsessive stuff again

Hahahahaha, you rate an idiot above Povetkin and when I tell you the truth you're going to act like he ever had a chance to hurt me :s.
You're a funny guy, I think you can make Haye a happy men.

You mean man*

I don't even like Haye, I think he's a prick and he's pretty shot now. He was a fantastic cruiser, a decent heavy and more arsenal than Povetkin but your obsessiveness is strange/scary. Can barely go 2 comments without mentioning his name. Weird for someone you don't know personally

I only mentioned him because someone else did and I can't even remember the last time I mentioned him before. So no, it's probably you who's overprotective when it comes to him.

[HeavyHitters]

Povetkin is definitely a big name in boxing history, despite not being a champion. I rank him higher, than Maskaev or Bruno, for example. He is somewhat of Tua or Morrison caliber. He is skilled and he is always a threat to anyone. I think, he deserves a title, I'll be glad, if he gets Joshua fight and manages to win.

I agree he is better than Maskaev and Bruno but I'd also rank him ahead of Tua and Morrison too. Tua was one-dimensional and Morrison had a weak chin. I think Povetkin (prime version) would stop Maskaev, Bruno and Morrison and would outpoint Tua. However, I'm not sure he would be able to beat somebody like a focused Tim Witherspoon.

Morrison vs. Povetkin would have been an interesting fight. That fight could go either way, theoretically. If Tommy lands his left hook, it would be all she wrote for Povy Boy.

But seriously, Povetkin doesn't really have a true signature win on his resume'. What? Maybe Larry Donald, or Chris Byrd? His wins against Chagaev and Rahman were after they were both far removed from their primes. Manuel Charr? Please!!

He's got some decent fighters under his belt, but" really" the only time he stepped up against a true heavyweight champion, he was KO'ed by Wlad. Maybe someday we will see what he can do against the likes of Wilder or Joshua, or maybe even Tyson Fury. Until then, I think he has had a spotty career at best.

[Boxing Writer]

Povetkin is definitely a big name in boxing history, despite not being a champion. I rank him higher, than Maskaev or Bruno, for example. He is somewhat of Tua or Morrison caliber. He is skilled and he is always a threat to anyone. I think, he deserves a title, I'll be glad, if he gets Joshua fight and manages to win.

I agree he is better than Maskaev and Bruno but I'd also rank him ahead of Tua and Morrison too. Tua was one-dimensional and Morrison had a weak chin. I think Povetkin (prime version) would stop Maskaev, Bruno and Morrison and would outpoint Tua. However, I'm not sure he would be able to beat somebody like a focused Tim Witherspoon.

Morrison vs. Povetkin would have been an interesting fight. That fight could go either way, theoretically. If Tommy lands his left hook, it would be all she wrote for Povy Boy.

But seriously, Povetkin doesn't really have a true signature win on his resume'. What? Maybe Larry Donald, or Chris Byrd? His wins against Chagaev and Rahman were after they were both far removed from their primes. Manuel Charr? Please!!

He's got some decent fighters under his belt, but" really" the only time he stepped up against a true heavyweight champion, he was KO'ed by Wlad. Maybe someday we will see what he can do against the likes of Wilder or Joshua, or maybe even Tyson Fury. Until then, I think he has had a spotty career at best.

Byrd, Rahman and Donald were shot when Povetkin beat them, Chagaev was past his prime but still solid top-10 fighter. Charr and Wawrzyk are awful, but he also beat a bunch of decent fringe contenders like Wach, Perez, Hammer and Price. His 3 best wins, in my opinion, are the wins over Carlos Takam, Eddie Chambers and Ruslan Chagaev.

[Kalan]

Both in their prime Tua would had destroyed him

Povetkin is 38.... At 38 Tua was a shitt bump who couldn't beat China-chin Monte Barrett... GTFOOH

What does that have to do with Tua's prime? I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with Tua would win, but what does a 38 year old Tua or Povetkin have to do with either fighters prime?

Because 38-year-old Povetkin just took out a Barrett caliber fighter in David Price (Valuev KO'd prime Barrett)... Chris Bryd easily out boxed a prime David Tua... A GREEN (13 fight) Alexander Povetkin battered Chris Byrd to a KO.

[gilgamesh]

Povetkin is 38.... At 38 Tua was a shitt bump who couldn't beat China-chin Monte Barrett... GTFOOH

What does that have to do with Tua's prime? I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with Tua would win, but what does a 38 year old Tua or Povetkin have to do with either fighters prime?

Because 38-year-old Povetkin just took out a Barrett caliber fighter in David Price (Valuev KO'd prime Barrett)... Chris Bryd easily out boxed a prime David Tua... A GREEN (13 fight) Alexander Povetkin battered Chris Byrd to a KO.

Once again...for like the 1000th time, you show that you are COMPLETELY OBLIVIOUS to the fact that fighters age. Which can only mean you're a teenager. Because an older man knows what aging feels like and does to your body.

Povetkin beat Chris Byrd 6 years after Byrd fought Tua. Byrd had slipped significantly in that time. Which was plain to see for everybody except for you apparently.

For the record I think Prime Povetkin DOES beat Prime Tua, but your aguments as to why that is are ridiculous. You're talking about fights they had as older men which has nothing to do with how they'd do both in their respective primes.

[Ilya Muromets]

What does that have to do with Tua's prime? I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with Tua would win, but what does a 38 year old Tua or Povetkin have to do with either fighters prime?

Because 38-year-old Povetkin just took out a Barrett caliber fighter in David Price (Valuev KO'd prime Barrett)... Chris Bryd easily out boxed a prime David Tua... A GREEN (13 fight) Alexander Povetkin battered Chris Byrd to a KO.

Once again...for like the 1000th time, you show that you are COMPLETELY OBLIVIOUS to the fact that fighters age. Which can only mean you're a teenager. Because an older man knows what aging feels like and does to your body.

Povetkin beat Chris Byrd 6 years after Byrd fought Tua. Byrd had slipped significantly in that time. Which was plain to see for everybody except for you apparently.

For the record I think Prime Povetkin DOES beat Prime Tua, but your aguments as to why that is are ridiculous. You're talking about fights they had as older men which has nothing to do with how they'd do both in their respective primes.

Tell me about it. I thought that I could defy Father Time by continuously getting bigger and stronger and in better shape. I was mistaken.

[Kalan]

Once again...for like the 1000th time, you show that you are COMPLETELY OBLIVIOUS to the fact that fighters age. Which can only mean you're a teenager. Because an older man knows what aging feels like and does to your body.

Povetkin beat Chris Byrd 6 years after Byrd fought Tua. Byrd had slipped significantly in that time. Which was plain to see for everybody except for you apparently.

I know all about aging... Povetkin is older now (38) than Byrd was (37) when a GREEN kid (Povetkin) knocked the crap out of him... Do you NOT remember me writing the posts about the Wilder team "aging" Ortiz to 39??? ... Do you think anybody is going to give Povetkin a break if he loses to a green kid??? Or if he suffers similar losses that Byrd suffered??? After all, Wladimir was 37 when he shutout Povetkin... Wladimir claimed he was still getting better up to the Pulev fight..

What if Povetkin is 39 when he fights Joshua or Wilder? Are you still going to watch??? .... Or are you going to say "Not me... I'm not going to watch this old man." I think you'll have your eyes glued to the action... AJ will get old too in 10 years... He's still going to have to find a way to win his fights... Byrd isn't the only guy who got old -- but old fighters are SMART fighters.

Or they're supposed to be with all the experience and craft they're accumulated.. That offsets age a little bit.

[gilgamesh]

Once again...for like the 1000th time, you show that you are COMPLETELY OBLIVIOUS to the fact that fighters age. Which can only mean you're a teenager. Because an older man knows what aging feels like and does to your body.

Povetkin beat Chris Byrd 6 years after Byrd fought Tua. Byrd had slipped significantly in that time. Which was plain to see for everybody except for you apparently.

I know all about aging... Povetkin is older now (38) than Byrd was (37) when a GREEN kid (Povetkin) knocked the crap out of him... Do you NOT remember me writing the posts about the Wilder team "aging" Ortiz to 39??? ... Do you think anybody is going to give Povetkin a break if he loses to a green kid??? Or if he suffers similar losses that Byrd suffered???

What if he's 39 when he fights Joshua or Wilder? Are you still going to watch??? .... Or are you going to say "Not me... I'm not going to watch this old man." I think you'll have your eyes glued to the action... AJ will get old too in 10 years... He's still going to have to find a way to win his fights... Byrd isn't the only guy who got old -- but old fighters are SMART fighters.

Or they're supposed to be with all the experience and craft they're accumulated.. That offsets age a little bit.

I still watch fighters even when they're older, but I acknowledge when they've slipped. Frankly Povetkin hasn't looked like the fighter he used to be in his last few fights. I know he just knocked out Price, but he looked pretty mediocre against Rudenko prior to that, and got rocked badly by Price too. Povetkin is still a very good fighter obviously, but I think his best has past him by. Even so he's still one of the better guys in the division at the moment.

Byrd was a guy that was reliant on speed, and reflexes more for his success so aging caught up to him faster. Povetkin on the other hand has some power, and is more of a boxer-puncher. That style tends to be effective a little longer. At least if you got the goods power and timing wise to make it effective...and Povetkin does.

[Kalan]

Once again...for like the 1000th time, you show that you are COMPLETELY OBLIVIOUS to the fact that fighters age. Which can only mean you're a teenager. Because an older man knows what aging feels like and does to your body.

Povetkin beat Chris Byrd 6 years after Byrd fought Tua. Byrd had slipped significantly in that time. Which was plain to see for everybody except for you apparently.

I know all about aging... Povetkin is older now (38) than Byrd was (37) when a GREEN kid (Povetkin) knocked the crap out of him... Do you NOT remember me writing the posts about the Wilder team "aging" Ortiz to 39??? ... Do you think anybody is going to give Povetkin a break if he loses to a green kid??? Or if he suffers similar losses that Byrd suffered???

What if he's 39 when he fights Joshua or Wilder? Are you still going to watch??? .... Or are you going to say "Not me... I'm not going to watch this old man." I think you'll have your eyes glued to the action... AJ will get old too in 10 years... He's still going to have to find a way to win his fights... Byrd isn't the only guy who got old -- but old fighters are SMART fighters.

Or they're supposed to be with all the experience and craft they're accumulated.. That offsets age a little bit.

I still watch fighters even when they're older, but I acknowledge when they've slipped. Frankly Povetkin hasn't looked like the fighter he used to be in his last few fights. I know he just knocked out Price, but he looked pretty mediocre against Rudenko prior to that, and got rocked badly by Price too. Povetkin is still a very good fighter obviously, but I think his best has past him by. Even so he's still one of the better guys in the division at the moment.

Byrd was a guy that was reliant on speed, and reflexes more for his success so aging caught up to him faster. Povetkin on the other hand has some power, and is more of a boxer-puncher. That style tends to be effective a little longer. At least if you got the goods power and timing wise to make it effective...and Povetkin does.

Funny... That's the opposite argument you hear when people are explaining why Marvin Hagler, Terry Norris, Riddick Bowe, Danny Lopez, Rodrigo Valdez, and others lost their form early.... "Well, because he was a boxer-puncher... He took the offensive more than a pure boxer and that made him more available to be hit... Pure boxers like Pep and Mayweather -- they don't take those chances so they don't get hit as much.. They last a lot longer."

[ewenhay]

Once again...for like the 1000th time, you show that you are COMPLETELY OBLIVIOUS to the fact that fighters age. Which can only mean you're a teenager. Because an older man knows what aging feels like and does to your body.

Povetkin beat Chris Byrd 6 years after Byrd fought Tua. Byrd had slipped significantly in that time. Which was plain to see for everybody except for you apparently.

I know all about aging... Povetkin is older now (38) than Byrd was (37) when a GREEN kid (Povetkin) knocked the crap out of him... Do you NOT remember me writing the posts about the Wilder team "aging" Ortiz to 39??? ... Do you think anybody is going to give Povetkin a break if he loses to a green kid??? Or if he suffers similar losses that Byrd suffered??? After all, Wladimir was 37 when he shutout Povetkin... Wladimir claimed he was still getting better up to the Pulev fight..

What if Povetkin is 39 when he fights Joshua or Wilder? Are you still going to watch??? .... Or are you going to say "Not me... I'm not going to watch this old man." I think you'll have your eyes glued to the action... AJ will get old too in 10 years... He's still going to have to find a way to win his fights... Byrd isn't the only guy who got old -- but old fighters are SMART fighters.

Or they're supposed to be with all the experience and craft they're accumulated.. That offsets age a little bit.

Come on Kalan. You know that different fighters develop, peak and age at different rates and times. You're on the wind up again!