AJ vs mandatory POVETKIN next ?

[jamamb]

povetkin still hits harder then parker, he brings that over him, i actually didnt really rate parker and remember he wasnt impressive at all from ruiz to cojanu to hughie before aj either, showed little power, easy to hit, etc

but i expect aj to crush pov, pov will go straight forward and not play survivor, in the process being there to hit a lot more, its a style/approach thing , not a parkers better thing

[candyslim]

Yeah I'd go along with that (Povetkin the harder hitter) but it seems to be devastating on occasion (Takam and Duhaupas for example) and not in evidence on others. Maybe he just doesn't like the French - as hard as that may be to imagine

[gilgamesh]

No way Hearn would let AJ defend in Moscow. AJ is the Man in the division and if you're fighting AJ you're doing it on his terms. At least for now. Somebody is gonna have to beat him to take away that kinda edge from him. As long as he's the money man he's calling the shots.

[tiny_acres]

No way Hearn would let AJ defend in Moscow. AJ is the Man in the division and if you're fighting AJ you're doing it on his terms. At least for now. Somebody is gonna have to beat him to take away that kinda edge from him. As long as he's the money man he's calling the shots.

If they can't come to terms it won't be his choice.
Purse bid could be won by Ryabinski.

But I fully expect Hearn to come up with an offer that team Povetkin will accept.
I doubt it goes to bid

[candyslim]

Yes Tiny that sounds about right to me.

[greg]

..I would expect REAL champs to be willing to box occasionally outside of their backyards, I bet you feel different when the huge crowd cheers someone else..having said that, I don't mind Povetkin fighting in Britain..

[oogiebe]

..I would expect REAL champs to be willing to box occasionally outside of their backyards, I bet you feel different when the huge crowd cheers someone else..having said that, I don't mind Povetkin fighting in Britain..

well, remember...AJ is a bit sensitive and wouldn't like boos.

[Luis Fernando12]

As you know, Luis, I strongly disagree! THIS is the fight I've been waiting for, not the Wilder one. Wilder has already chickened out of a fight with the Vityaz man. I don't think that Joshua will do that.

does not necessarily beat a small
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUCr29sBikQ&t=90s

Watch this video and then explain to me how this fight isn't going to be a mismatch!

Excellent analysis in your vid about how Lewis cheated to beat Tyson and Wlad cheated in the very same way (same trainer) to beat Povetkin. Excellent vid, except the part about how Vitali "lost" to lewis! That was even much worse cheating by Lewis than he pulled on Tyson. Nothing to do with Vitali having "thin skin", which he didn't.

A tall man does not necessarily beat a shorter man. What happened was you had two crooked referees who allowed Lewis and Wlad to cheat, and a third even more crooked referee in the Lewis - Vitali fight. Really though, it's now becoming redundant and unnecessary to say "crooked referee". It's like you don't have to bother to say crooked politician. That's a given. Of course boxing judges are the same, and now boxing referees are pretty much falling into that category too. Suppose the referee permitted the shorter man to keep punching the taller man below the belt, a la Ward in Mafia City? Then the shorter man would have the big advantage. But yeah Joshua will no doubt get another ref who is, as they say in the mob, a friend of our friends, but Joshua is no Wlad or even Lewis, and hopefully Povetkin's corner will vigorously protest if and when he starts to do the leaning and grabbing thing, tho corners never seem to do that nowadays. And also hopefully Povetkin will have a counter strategy for that, like - hit him in the balls! I never had trouble with tall guys. I just punched them in the stomach tee hee!

Vitali Klitshcko generally has a skin that is more susceptible to damage than most of the other boxers. Evident, even by his other non-Lennox Lewis bouts. However, yes, you're correct in that Lewis clearly thumbed Vitali's eyes. However, Vitali was a little too foolish to have chosen to brawl with Lewis in the first place, rather than boxing him. Since he could easily have done that.

This is why as I stated, this match up is a total mismatch in whatever way I look at it. I can't see any possible way for Povetkin to win. Since this bout is already a mismatch in terms of the sheer size and strength disadvantages for Povetkin, compared to Lennox Lewis. However, add further uneven playing fields in favor of Joshua where the officials will be favoring him more, then there's literally no possible way Povetkin could win this. So if you were a betting person, I'd advice against putting your money on Povetkin to win.

[Luis Fernando12]

As you know, Luis, I strongly disagree! THIS is the fight I've been waiting for, not the Wilder one. Wilder has already chickened out of a fight with the Vityaz man. I don't think that Joshua will do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUCr29sBikQ&t=90s
Watch this video and then explain to me how this fight isn't going to be a mismatch!

Explain to me how AJ vs anyone but in shape Tyson Fury isn't a mismatch

Povetkin is practically a blown up cruiser weight. There are many guys that are Joshua's own size, whom if Joshua faces, wouldn't be considered mismatches against those similar sized opponents.

Joshua vs Miller wouldn't be a mismatch. Joshua vs Luis Ortiz wouldn't be a mismatch. Joshua vs Kubrat Pulev wouldn't be a mismatch. And so forth so on!

Povetkin has no business facing elite / top level super heavyweights! Especially after his performance against Wladimir Klitschko.

[Luis Fernando12]

How do you figure?

Just 2 years ago Povetkin was even money to beat Wilder, and hasn't lost in the meantime. How is he a mismatch now for AJ?

He's a Top 5 ranked Heavyweight in anybody's book so he'd be one of the AJ's 3 or 4 best opponents up to this point of his career any way you wanna measure it.

It's not AJ vs Wilder, but it's not a mismatch.

It doesn't really take a rocket scientist to work out how this bout really should be a total mismatch to begin with anyway. Do I really need to spell it out for you?

1) Anthony Joshua's 95% KO rate > Alexander Povetkin's 69% KO Rate.

2) Anthony Joshua's 6 foot 6 height > Povetkin's 6 foot 1 height.

3) Anthony Joshua's 240+ pound body weight > Povetkin's -230 pound body weight.

4) Anthony Joshua's 82 inch reach > Povetkin's 75 inch reach.

5) Anthony Joshua's 28 years in age > Povetkin's 38 years in age.

6) Anthony Joshua's more muscular physique > Povetkin's less muscular and chubbier / fatter / pudgier physique.

Should I go on?

What advantage does Povetkin hold over Joshua? Pretty much nothing! Except some experience maybe. But that's about it!

With all these advantages that Joshua holds over Povetkin, what would it make Joshua, if he fails to beat Povetkin as convincingly and as decisively as he should, based on those advantages?

This is literally a fight between a totally undersized midget vs a giant muscular specimen, that looks almost like a different creature altogether.

What would you say, if a 30 year old adult failed to brutally defeat a 5 year old child lopsidedly inside a boxing ring in a boxing match whilst holding all the advantages?

Are you getting the picture now?

Anyone that paints this match up as anything other than a total, disgusting, gruesome, gory and a horror mismatch is attempting to brainwash you! It's like Manny Pacquiao vs Sergey Kovaev!

Taking all your points into consideration, why didn’t Price beat Povetkin then? It’s about boxing, strategy, tactics, ring IQ and styles, not statistics.

Because:

1) David Price isn't an elite / top level super heavyweight like Anthony Joshua is.

2) David Price doesn't possess as many advantages over Povetkin as Anthony Joshua does.


If you have no advantages over your opponent or very little advantages, then you have nearly no chance of winning and such a bout should be considered a mismatch.

[Luis Fernando12]

As you know, Luis, I strongly disagree! THIS is the fight I've been waiting for, not the Wilder one. Wilder has already chickened out of a fight with the Vityaz man. I don't think that Joshua will do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUCr29sBikQ&t=90s

Watch this video and then explain to me how this fight isn't going to be a mismatch!

I agree with AJ being clear favourite... But comparing a prime, dominant, long reigning champions like Wlad and Lewis at this point in his career is foolhardy.

Moreover, maybe it’s the PEDS, but Povetkin is a better fighter now than when he fought Wlad.

The point still stands though! Which is that if a tall giant super heavyweight uses the same tactics that Wladimir Klitschko used against Povetkin, then Povetkin stands almost no chance, if not no chance of winning against such an opponent.

Has Povetkin ever showed that he could deal with the tactics that Wladimir Klitschko used against him? Since Anthony Joshua could very well use this same / a similar tactic which would totally render Povetkin ineffective. Thus, this match up will be totally pointless as we would already know what would happen predictably before the fight even begins.

[Wales]

No way Hearn would let AJ defend in Moscow. AJ is the Man in the division and if you're fighting AJ you're doing it on his terms. At least for now. Somebody is gonna have to beat him to take away that kinda edge from him. As long as he's the money man he's calling the shots.

If they can't come to terms it won't be his choice.
Purse bid could be won by Ryabinski.

But I fully expect Hearn to come up with an offer that team Povetkin will accept.
I doubt it goes to bid

Couldn’t see Hearn losing purse bids if it went to them.
Didn’t Ryabinski shock the world with a purse bid of $23m for Povetkin Wlad? Pretty sure Hearn put purse of $36m up for Joshua Wlad. Sure Povetkin and his promoter will be offered a deal they can’t refuse

[Ilya Muromets]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUCr29sBikQ&t=90s

Watch this video and then explain to me how this fight isn't going to be a mismatch!

I agree with AJ being clear favourite... But comparing a prime, dominant, long reigning champions like Wlad and Lewis at this point in his career is foolhardy.

Moreover, maybe it’s the PEDS, but Povetkin is a better fighter now than when he fought Wlad.

The point still stands though! Which is that if a tall giant super heavyweight uses the same tactics that Wladimir Klitschko used against Povetkin, then Povetkin stands almost no chance, if not no chance of winning against such an opponent.

Has Povetkin ever showed that he could deal with the tactics that Wladimir Klitschko used against him? Since Anthony Joshua could very well use this same / a similar tactic which would totally render Povetkin ineffective. Thus, this match up will be totally pointless as we would already know what would happen predictably before the fight even begins.

I would think that, especially since he was victimized by those illegal tactics once before by a similarly tall oponent, Povetkin and his team would be working on a strategy to combat it should it happen again, if only to refuse to continue the fight if the ref is biased.

[Badhusker]

No way Hearn would let AJ defend in Moscow. AJ is the Man in the division and if you're fighting AJ you're doing it on his terms. At least for now. Somebody is gonna have to beat him to take away that kinda edge from him. As long as he's the money man he's calling the shots.

You are right about AJ not going to Moscow. He is the new Canelo as far as scorecards, and the new Ward as far as only fighting on his home turf.

[Ilya Muromets]

does not necessarily beat a small
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUCr29sBikQ&t=90s

Watch this video and then explain to me how this fight isn't going to be a mismatch!

Excellent analysis in your vid about how Lewis cheated to beat Tyson and Wlad cheated in the very same way (same trainer) to beat Povetkin. Excellent vid, except the part about how Vitali "lost" to lewis! That was even much worse cheating by Lewis than he pulled on Tyson. Nothing to do with Vitali having "thin skin", which he didn't.

A tall man does not necessarily beat a shorter man. What happened was you had two crooked referees who allowed Lewis and Wlad to cheat, and a third even more crooked referee in the Lewis - Vitali fight. Really though, it's now becoming redundant and unnecessary to say "crooked referee". It's like you don't have to bother to say crooked politician. That's a given. Of course boxing judges are the same, and now boxing referees are pretty much falling into that category too. Suppose the referee permitted the shorter man to keep punching the taller man below the belt, a la Ward in Mafia City? Then the shorter man would have the big advantage. But yeah Joshua will no doubt get another ref who is, as they say in the mob, a friend of our friends, but Joshua is no Wlad or even Lewis, and hopefully Povetkin's corner will vigorously protest if and when he starts to do the leaning and grabbing thing, tho corners never seem to do that nowadays. And also hopefully Povetkin will have a counter strategy for that, like - hit him in the balls! I never had trouble with tall guys. I just punched them in the stomach tee hee!

Vitali Klitshcko generally has a skin that is more susceptible to damage than most of the other boxers. Evident, even by his other non-Lennox Lewis bouts. However, yes, you're correct in that Lewis clearly thumbed Vitali's eyes. However, Vitali was a little too foolish to have chosen to brawl with Lewis in the first place, rather than boxing him. Since he could easily have done that.

This is why as I stated, this match up is a total mismatch in whatever way I look at it. I can't see any possible way for Povetkin to win. Since this bout is already a mismatch in terms of the sheer size and strength disadvantages for Povetkin, compared to Lennox Lewis. However, add further uneven playing fields in favor of Joshua where the officials will be favoring him more, then there's literally no possible way Povetkin could win this. So if you were a betting person, I'd advice against putting your money on Povetkin to win.

"Vitali Klitshcko generally has a skin that is more susceptible to damage than most of the other boxers. "

No!!! I usually admire your posts, Luis, even tho we sometimes disagree, but you are absolutely wrong about that one! More on that later...

[Wales]

No way Hearn would let AJ defend in Moscow. AJ is the Man in the division and if you're fighting AJ you're doing it on his terms. At least for now. Somebody is gonna have to beat him to take away that kinda edge from him. As long as he's the money man he's calling the shots.

You are right about AJ not going to Moscow. He is the new Canelo as far as scorecards, and the new Ward as far as only fighting on his home turf.

Now I’m not sure about the scorecards comment. Only one of his fights has gone to the cards and whilst wide, nobody denies he won. Putting that to one side, as a boxer it’s a
Dream scenario isn’t it . If you were a boxer it’d be the perfect scenario to have every fight on home turf. Bonus when home turf is the most lucrative. Add to that judges favouring you - thats dream for a boxer.


As for going to Moscow. As a boxer that’d be your worst nightmare . Putting the issue of Corruption and allegations of being spiked with PEDs to one side there’s a bit of an issue between U.K. and Russia ongoing at moment .

Who, in AJ shoes would go to Moscow

[KiwiRider]

The only way it would be a huge miss match is if the referee didn't let the shorter man fight on the inside.
But that would never happen

again

[Wales]

The ref was awful. Appointed by governing bodies and only appointed after being signed off by Team Parker though

Parker arrived in Britain at the weekend and trainer Kevin Barry expressed his satisfaction at the selection of officials for the bout.

We’re very happy with the officials that have been appointed," Barry told Sky Sports.

"We've got three judges - one from New Zealand, one from the UK, one from the United States.

"We've got an Italian referee. We signed off on those officials [at the beginning of March]. We're very happy with what the various sanctioning bodies have appointed for us."

[quote/]

[asdfjkl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUCr29sBikQ&t=90s
Watch this video and then explain to me how this fight isn't going to be a mismatch!

Explain to me how AJ vs anyone but in shape Tyson Fury isn't a mismatch

Povetkin is practically a blown up cruiser weight. There are many guys that are Joshua's own size, whom if Joshua faces, wouldn't be considered mismatches against those similar sized opponents.

Joshua vs Miller wouldn't be a mismatch. Joshua vs Luis Ortiz wouldn't be a mismatch. Joshua vs Kubrat Pulev wouldn't be a mismatch. And so forth so on!

Povetkin has no business facing elite / top level super heavyweights! Especially after his performance against Wladimir Klitschko.

Sorry, but Wilder actually competed at cruiserweight in the Olympics, Pulev would probably lose against Povetkin, Povetkin has been a (super-) heavyweight since he's a teenager.

[Wales]

Not sure I’d use the term “mismatch” . Perhaps that’s a little derogatory towards guys like Pulev; Miller and Ortiz. However, Wilder and fit Tyson Fury aside there isn’t a fight you wouldn’t expect AJ to win.

If you got a million dollars for picking the winner everyone would pick AJ to win unless it was fit Fury or Wilder

[KiwiRider]

The ref was awful. Appointed by governing bodies and only appointed after being signed off by Team Parker though

Parker arrived in Britain at the weekend and trainer Kevin Barry expressed his satisfaction at the selection of officials for the bout.

We’re very happy with the officials that have been appointed," Barry told Sky Sports.

"We've got three judges - one from New Zealand, one from the UK, one from the United States.

"We've got an Italian referee. We signed off on those officials [at the beginning of March]. We're very happy with what the various sanctioning bodies have appointed for us."

[quote/]

Yep.
Which is why Parker should fire Barry, who does not have the experience to carry Parker at the top level, and is a shister to boot.

[Wales]

When you take a step back it’s actually quite shocking how that ref was chosen for a HW unification fight , the pinnacle of the sport, then made such a huge cock and balls of it .

I know it’s easy to sit on the sofa and say I could’ve done this and that: but other Than following the correct protocol and etiquette the actual refereeing should be quite straight forward .

[KiwiRider]

When you take a step back it’s actually quite shocking how that ref was chosen for a HW unification fight , the pinnacle of the sport, then made such a huge cock and balls of it .

I know it’s easy to sit on the sofa and say I could’ve done this and that: but other Than following the correct protocol and etiquette the actual refereeing should be quite straight forward .

I bet he was cheap.
We will never know if allowing inside fighting would have changed the result. Parker may have edged a points win, or AJ may have knocked him out with an uppercut.
I would have liked to know either way.

[Wales]

.

Sometimes you get a ref or judge and it genuinely looks like they’re not “boxing people”. Almost like they were in the job centre and got sent on a refereeing course and it went from there .

That Italian May have been cheap etc.... but how can someone be chosen to referee a HW unification fight and get it so wrong: HW unification is to boxing what the World Cup final is to football or World Series is to baseball. You can’t wheel in any old Tom dick or Harri to officiate it.

T

[Ilya Muromets]

Excellent analysis in your vid about how Lewis cheated to beat Tyson and Wlad cheated in the very same way (same trainer) to beat Povetkin. Excellent vid, except the part about how Vitali "lost" to lewis! That was even much worse cheating by Lewis than he pulled on Tyson. Nothing to do with Vitali having "thin skin", which he didn't.

A tall man does not necessarily beat a shorter man. What happened was you had two crooked referees who allowed Lewis and Wlad to cheat, and a third even more crooked referee in the Lewis - Vitali fight. Really though, it's now becoming redundant and unnecessary to say "crooked referee". It's like you don't have to bother to say crooked politician. That's a given. Of course boxing judges are the same, and now boxing referees are pretty much falling into that category too. Suppose the referee permitted the shorter man to keep punching the taller man below the belt, a la Ward in Mafia City? Then the shorter man would have the big advantage. But yeah Joshua will no doubt get another ref who is, as they say in the mob, a friend of our friends, but Joshua is no Wlad or even Lewis, and hopefully Povetkin's corner will vigorously protest if and when he starts to do the leaning and grabbing thing, tho corners never seem to do that nowadays. And also hopefully Povetkin will have a counter strategy for that, like - hit him in the balls! I never had trouble with tall guys. I just punched them in the stomach tee hee!

Vitali Klitshcko generally has a skin that is more susceptible to damage than most of the other boxers. Evident, even by his other non-Lennox Lewis bouts. However, yes, you're correct in that Lewis clearly thumbed Vitali's eyes. However, Vitali was a little too foolish to have chosen to brawl with Lewis in the first place, rather than boxing him. Since he could easily have done that.

This is why as I stated, this match up is a total mismatch in whatever way I look at it. I can't see any possible way for Povetkin to win. Since this bout is already a mismatch in terms of the sheer size and strength disadvantages for Povetkin, compared to Lennox Lewis. However, add further uneven playing fields in favor of Joshua where the officials will be favoring him more, then there's literally no possible way Povetkin could win this. So if you were a betting person, I'd advice against putting your money on Povetkin to win.

"Vitali Klitshcko generally has a skin that is more susceptible to damage than most of the other boxers. "

No!!! I usually admire your posts, Luis, even tho we sometimes disagree, but you are absolutely wrong about that one! More on that later...

Luis -

OK, after the Vitali fight with Lewis was stopped Wlad was irate and screaming about Lewis' dirty tactics. Vitali HAD NEVER EVEN BEEN CUT ONCE BEFORE IN HIS ENTIRE BOXING AND PREVIOUS KICKBOXING CAREER. I once studied the film of that fight in detail and noted the exact times that Lewis first cut Vitali by raking his glove lacing on his face, and then he continuously, over and over, concentrated on opening the cut by raking his glove AND his head into it.

That's the thing about boxing - countless times you see crooked crap going down , blatant, right in your face, it's continuous, over and over - and someone will yell about it for five minutes...and that's the end of it! It just vanishes from the news, swept under the rug, even when the Klitschkos are involved! Occasionally it goes to some boxing commission, which amounts to the same thing.