•Official Thread•: WBC Welterweight Tournament

Who's your pick?

Poll ended at 17 Sep 2018, 09:14

Felix Diaz
6
86%
Chris van Heereden
1
14%
Fredrick Lawson
0
No votes
Radzhab Butaev
0
No votes
Brad Solomon
0
No votes
Timo Schwarzkopf
0
No votes
Derrieck Cuevas
0
No votes
Baishanbo Nasiyiwula
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 7

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Holyfield’s Real Deal Inks Streaming Deal With CBS Sports Digital

Evander Holyfield’s Real Deal Sports and Entertainment has announced a partnership with CBS Sports Digital to stream professional boxing events live on the OTT service SportsLive for free.

The first event to be streamed, ‘Real Deal Showcase Series II’, will emanate from the Kings Theatre in Brooklyn, New York on Saturday, March 10, 2018.

“Our goal has been to provide our fighters with a global platform so that the Real Deal Boxing series’ can reach as many viewers as possible, and this deal with CBS Sports Digital will allow just that," said Eric Bentley, COO of The Real Deal Boxing. “We’d like to thank Peter Kahn and Hardwired Marketing Group for their efforts in creating this mutually beneficial partnership.”
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None of these guys are world beaters but at least they should be relatively well matched fights. Would fancy Felix Diaz to win as long as he doesn't start to age too much.
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ElJefe wrote: 07 Mar 2018, 15:55 None of these guys are world beaters but at least they should be relatively well matched fights. Would fancy Felix Diaz to win as long as he doesn't start to age too much.
Yeh they not supposed to be world beaters. Good little tournament though.
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Holyfield announces four additional Kings Theatre dates for 'The Real Deal Boxing' events

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Just two days away from their opening night at the historic Kings Theatre in Brooklyn, NY on Saturday, March 10, Evander Holyfield’s The Real Deal Boxing has announced four additional dates for 2018 to showcase the area’s top local talent and world class prospects.

Dates added to the 2018 schedule for The Real Deal Boxing at the Kings Theatre in Brooklyn, NY include;

Saturday, April 21 in association with World of Boxing

Saturday, June 9, National Puerto Rican Day Weekend in New York City

Saturday, September 8

Saturday, December 1


Continued Holyfield, “We’ll be announcing the details of our April 21 event next week and our team is very excited to host National Puerto Rican Day on June 9.”
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Lackeos wrote: 23 Feb 2018, 19:11
Mexi-Box wrote: 22 Feb 2018, 11:16
Lackeos wrote: 22 Feb 2018, 00:20
From this post, it kind of sounds like you don't know anything about boxing. Felix is nowhere close to the best name on Crawford's resume, either in terms of fame or talent. Julius Indongo was a 3-belt world champ and divisionally top 3 at the time of their fight. Viktor Postol was ranked #2 at the time of their fight, coming off a victory against the previous #2. Yuri Gamboa was a highly decorated amateur who reigned for years as a top 4 featherweight and sometimes borderline top 10 p4p fighter with numerous title defenses who achieved a top lightweight ranking going into the Crawford fight. Ricky Burns is a former top 3 lightweight with quite a bit of fame in England and 13 world title fights under his belt. Felix Diaz is arguably not even the best of the rest, or even that close to it.

The reason people rate Felix Diaz well is mostly because he has good wins against Sammy Vasquez, Adrian Granados, Gabriel Bracero, he fought on competitive terms with Lamont Peterson, and he has an Olympic gold medal. The other fighters in this pool, many of whom are not even top 50, pale in comparison.
You really are a BoxRec warrior, aren't yah. Yes, Diaz is the best opponent Crawford has faced. Gamboa had looked awful at 135 lbs. and was too small, Postol win is not aging well, Indongo was laughably bad. You naming Ricky Burns just made me burst out laughing.

You just gave me enough reason to know that you don't watch boxing and look at BoxRec all day long to form your opinion. That's laughable. If this was a legit site, you would've been laughed off it a long time ago.
I feel the same way about you.

Not to mention that you went from "Everyone overrated Felix Diaz," to "Felix Diaz is better than Viktor Postol, Julius Indongo, and Yuri Gamboa." That pretty much makes you the #1 example on the entire forum of a poster who overrates Felix Diaz. We're all in here talking about Felix Diaz being #15 in his division, and you're like "No, Felix Diaz is better than fighters who were divisionally ranked #2 and #3 at the time." You're basically the king overrater of Felix Diaz. You don't even have any right to claim that anybody overrates Diaz after that display of hypocrisy.
Yet again my arguments always win out. Indongo once again showed how horrific he is, but according to the BoxRec warrior he was #2-3; therefore, he is such a good fighter. :OhYes:

You need to lay off the BoxRec rankings and watch these guys fight for once. :KO:
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WBC Welterweight Tournament - Undercard Information


Tickets starting at $35 are now on sale and be purchased through the KFC Yum! Center box office, Ticketmaster.com or by calling 1-800-745-3000. The KFC Yum! Center is located at 1 Arena Plaza, Louisville, KY 40202. Doors will open on the night of the event at 6:00 p.m. with the first bell at 7:00 p.m.
••••••••••••••••
Headlining the undercard will be the highly anticipated return of Louisville, KY based, undefeated phenom Carlos Dixon, (2-0-0, 1 KO’s) fighting in a four-round junior lightweight battle against an opponent to be announced. The 21-year-old Dixon returns to action following a decision victory on October 19, 2017 over Archie Weah in Atlanta, GA. On June 24, 2017, impressed the Louisville fight fans with a stunning first round knockout in his professional debut against DeAngelo Huggins.

Making his professional debut and also fighting out of Louisville, KY is former amateur standout Trevis Burgos. The 20-year-old will make his professional debut in a four-round welterweight bout against an opponent to be announced.

2018’s Ring Magazine Women’s Prospect of the Year, Alycia Baumgardner, (5-0-0, 4 KO’s), of Fremont, OH will clash with battle-tested Kirstie Simmons, (8-3-0, 2 KO’s), of Aurora, CO in a scheduled six round junior lightweight bout.

More..
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Paddy Gallagher vs. Brad Solomon in WBC Tourney, Butaev Out

Irish welterweight prospect PADDY ‘Pat-Man” GALLAGHER,(13-3-0, 8 KO’s) of Belfast, Northern Ireland will now battle BRAD SOLOMON, (27-1-0, 9 KO’s), of Douglasville, GA in the first round of ‘The Jose Sulaiman World Invitational Tournament’ set for Friday, April 27, 2018 at the KFC Yum! Center in Louisville, KY.

Gallagher replaces the injured RADZHAB BUTAEV who suffered a right shoulder injury this past week.
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I love these tournaments. I dont know why they dont do more of these.
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World Boxing Council Scoring Criteria For Welterweight Tourney

Evander Holyfield’s The Real Deal Boxing has announced the development of a standardized scoring criteria for the ‘Jose Sulaiman World Invitational Tournament’, the opening round of which will take place on Friday, April 27, 2018 at the KFC Yum! Center in Louisville, KY.

“One of our main initiatives for this tournament was to address the issues of scoring and a general lack of consistency by judges which seems to occur on regular basis,“ said Eric Bentley,COO of The Real Deal Boxing. “Working with the Kentucky Boxing and Wrestling Commission we’ve outlined standardized scoring criteria which will transcend the sport for the Jose Sulaiman World Invitational Tournament starting on Friday, April 27.”

Said 2017 Boxing Hall of Fame Inductee and award-winning analyst Steve Farhood, “The innovations that will be employed in the Jose Sulaiman World Invitational Tournament are fresh and exciting. The changes in scoring streamline and simplify the process and make scoring much easier for the average fan/viewer to understand.”

"The use of replay is also welcomed; in this regard, boxing has been stuck in the Middle Ages. And The Real Deal Boxing's application of both pre- and post-fight MRIs suggest a deep commitment to boxer safety.’
“This is not boxing as it's always been. It's better."


Concurred legendary boxing commentator and also 2017 Boxing Hall of Fame Inductee Barry Tompkins, “In a sport that is so laden with history that it sometimes gets in its own way, I believe the changes that are being made in this tournament are both noteworthy and needed. Having five judges score the fight cuts down on the possibility of error and creates a clearer verdict. Standardized scoring laid out in understandable language and not full of the current vagaries has been so needed in this sport for so long that I am simply amazed it hasn't been addressed before.”

“And in this age of concussive damage awareness in athletes being so much at the fore, pre and post-fight MRI's seems to me to be a no-brainer. As to qualified officials, that in my opinion should be a given. Unfortunately, it hasn't always been.”


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The standardized scoring criteria includes the following categories;

--Clean, effective punching

--Control (combination of Ring Generalship, Effective Aggression, and Defense)

Scoring-area (as defined by the Association of Boxing Commissions): from the top of the head moving down, splitting the ears. The punches landed forward of the middle of the ears are counted as a scoring punch.

For the body, mentally take away the arms and run the imaginary line from the shoulders down the side to the navel or hip area. Punches landed forward of the imaginary line are counted as scoring punches. Punches landed at the top of the shoulders can be considered in the scoring area.

Clean, effective punching in the scoring-area should always be the determining factor. If unable to make a definitive determination as to who landed the cleaner punches, then judge should base score on control.

It is acceptable to score a round 10-8 when there is no knockdown if the boxer who wins the round displays "overwhelming dominance" over their opponent. For the purposes of this guideline, the term overwhelming dominance can be defined as "one boxer exhibiting absolute control over the entire round, wins the round in an excessive decisive manner, landing clean, effective punches as the opponent offers minimal competition.

A 10-8 round can also be scored when a boxer is visibly hurt and/or staggered during that round.

Effective Punching can be defined as “legal punches that have the immediate or cumulative impact potential to contribute towards the end of the bout with immediate impact potential weighing more heavily than cumulative.”

Any boxer who scores one or more knockdowns than their opponent cannot lose the round. If a boxer gets knocked down but otherwise wins the round clearly and convincingly, the score should be 10-9 (or in rare cases 10-10 in the event of extreme dominance); all other situations should result in a 10-8 round (i.e. If a boxer who has exhibited overwhelming dominance is knocked down at the end of the round, the round may be scored 10-9 in the opponents' favor as opposed to 10-8)
The scores must reflect all of the knockdowns in a round.

--Additional Judges to minimize margin of error by the KBWC
A 4th judge will be placed at the ring, and a 5th judge will be placed in front of a monitor with no audio commentary

--Open Scoring by the KBWC
The KBWC will employ Open Scoring between rounds 5 & 6; the judges names will be kept anonymous when scores are announced

--Assignment of Neutral Officials

The KBWC will only assign officials with credible experience in the sport; qualifications will include experience working at least 1,000 rounds in professional boxing. The officials will also need to be approved by the WBC and must submit at least two letters of recommendation from an approved regulatory agency

--Instant Replay
The KBWC will employ use of Instant Replay to determine knockdown vs. slip, punch vs. foul, or anything that determines the end of the bout. There will be a three-person panel consisting of a KBWC representative, a WBC representative, and an alternate referee. Only a member of the panel or the referee in charge can request a replay; the fighters or their corner cannot request a review. The panel will have the one-minute rest period to review, and both camps will be notified of any review.

--Fans determine the seeding of each fighter
Fans were given the opportunity to vote for how the seeding and 1st round matchups were determined via social media; the fan vote will account for 50% of the seeding, with the other 50% being determined by the WBC ratings representative(s)

--Health and Safety Advances
All boxers in the tournament will be enrolled in and required to contribute to:

WBC Clean Boxing Program

Presented by Evander Holyfield’s The Real Deal Boxing, in association with the World Boxing Council and Louisville’s Top Knotch, tickets starting at $35 are now on sale and be purchased through the KFC Yum! Center box office, Ticketmaster.com or by calling 1-800-745-3000. The KFC Yum! Center is located at 1 Arena Plaza, Louisville, KY 40202. Doors will open on the night of the event at 6:00 p.m. with the first bell at 7:00 p.m.
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The schedule of first round fights for the tournament representing eight countries are:

#1 ranked FELIX DIAZ, (19-2-0, 9 KO’s) of Santa Domingo, Dominican Republic will clash with #8 ranked FRANCISCO SANTANA, (26-6-1, 12 KO’s), of Santa Barbara, CA, representing Mexico.

#2 ranked CHRIS VAN HEERDEN, (25-2-1, 12 KO’s) of Johannesburg, South Africa, faces #7 ranked TIMO SCHWARZKOPF, (18-1-0, 10 KO’s) of Stuttgart, Germany.

#3 ranked FREDRICK LAWSON, (26-1-0, 21 KO’s), of Accra, Ghana, battles #6 ranked BAISHANBO NASIYWULA,(13-1-1, 6 KO’s), of Urumqi, China.

#4 ranked PADDY GALLAGHER, of Belfast, Northern Ireland, faces #5 ranked BRAD SOLOMON,(27-1-0, 9 KO’s), of Douglasville, Georgia.

All bouts are scheduled for ten rounds. An additional alternate will be announced shortly.
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World Boxing Council 147 Tournament - Stream Information

Evander Holyfield’s The Real Deal Boxing has announced that the highly anticipated opening round of ‘The Jose Sulaiman World Invitational Tournament’, set for Friday, April 27 will be streamed live free of charge on the SportsLIVE OTT service, available online and via mobile and Roku apps, starting at 7:00 p.m. ET.

The event will emanate from the KFC Yum! Center in Louisville, KY.
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Think this is on B/Nation :TU:
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would love to watch this, any links
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Stuarty wrote: 26 Apr 2018, 08:42 Think this is on B/Nation :TU:
Yep. From 2am Saturday morning. Likely because of Paddy..

If anyone's watching from UK too, we can use this thread to do bit of RBR action.
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jamamb wrote: 26 Apr 2018, 09:08 would love to watch this, any links
You in the UK?
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semi finalists

francisco santana (outworked a flat felix diaz)
brad solomon (got dropped but rose to narrowly outbox paddy gallagher)
frederick lawson (beat some tough but no defense chinese named baishunbo)
chris van heerden (used length and quickness to beat stocky, loading up schwarzkopf, though schwarzkopf hurt him at one point)
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Semi finals will be in the coming months..

Van Heerden the favourite now?
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cant say that one guy really stands out as much of a favourite for me now. santana at least knocked off the top guy coming into it and has overall fought the best opposition of the semi finalists by miles, but no one left is so good that i couldnt see them losing to any of the others
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Mexi-Box wrote: 10 Mar 2018, 02:21
Lackeos wrote: 23 Feb 2018, 19:11
Mexi-Box wrote: 22 Feb 2018, 11:16
You really are a BoxRec warrior, aren't yah. Yes, Diaz is the best opponent Crawford has faced. Gamboa had looked awful at 135 lbs. and was too small, Postol win is not aging well, Indongo was laughably bad. You naming Ricky Burns just made me burst out laughing.

You just gave me enough reason to know that you don't watch boxing and look at BoxRec all day long to form your opinion. That's laughable. If this was a legit site, you would've been laughed off it a long time ago.
I feel the same way about you.

Not to mention that you went from "Everyone overrated Felix Diaz," to "Felix Diaz is better than Viktor Postol, Julius Indongo, and Yuri Gamboa." That pretty much makes you the #1 example on the entire forum of a poster who overrates Felix Diaz. We're all in here talking about Felix Diaz being #15 in his division, and you're like "No, Felix Diaz is better than fighters who were divisionally ranked #2 and #3 at the time." You're basically the king overrater of Felix Diaz. You don't even have any right to claim that anybody overrates Diaz after that display of hypocrisy.
Yet again my arguments always win out. Indongo once again showed how horrific he is, but according to the BoxRec warrior he was #2-3; therefore, he is such a good fighter. :OhYes:

You need to lay off the BoxRec rankings and watch these guys fight for once. :KO:
You also claimed that Felix Diaz was the best opponent on Crawford's resume, and here he is losing to Francisco Santana. You're a total f*cking dumbass. You need to lay off the crack worse than I need to layoff the Boxrec rankings.
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Santana thouroughly deserved the nod over Diaz who was out of shape and lazy, there wasn't much to what Santana was doing but he just kept letting his hands go

I just caught Solomon's win over Gallagher, close fight I heard some people say Gallagher was unlucky, he scored a cracking KD right at the end of the 1st which hurt Solomon pretty bad, his legs looks shaky and if the bell hadn't gone right at the knockdown then Gallagher would've had a great chance of stopping him, Gallagher was the stronger of the 2 and the more hurtful puncher but I liked a lot of Solomon's work as well, he's a sharp technician
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Watched Lawson's win over Nasiyiwula, wasn't a classic but a deserved win for Lawson, Nasiyiwula only won a few rounds but they were big rounds where he poured it on, its just a pity he couldn't sustain it because it petered out and Lawson regained control in the rounds after
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Van Heerden deserved his win as well, Schwarzkopf couldnt get to grips with his height, reach and southpaw jab, there wasn't much on Van Heerden's punches but they were keeping Schwarzkopf occupied and apart from when he wobbled Van Heerden with a right hand in the 7th he was never in it, Van Heerden used the ring well too and was a level above

All QFs were pretty shitty I must say, no KOs, 1 knockdown and 1 or 2 wobbles over 40 rounds

Pish
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Lackeos wrote: 28 Apr 2018, 12:41
Mexi-Box wrote: 10 Mar 2018, 02:21
Lackeos wrote: 23 Feb 2018, 19:11
I feel the same way about you.

Not to mention that you went from "Everyone overrated Felix Diaz," to "Felix Diaz is better than Viktor Postol, Julius Indongo, and Yuri Gamboa." That pretty much makes you the #1 example on the entire forum of a poster who overrates Felix Diaz. We're all in here talking about Felix Diaz being #15 in his division, and you're like "No, Felix Diaz is better than fighters who were divisionally ranked #2 and #3 at the time." You're basically the king overrater of Felix Diaz. You don't even have any right to claim that anybody overrates Diaz after that display of hypocrisy.
Yet again my arguments always win out. Indongo once again showed how horrific he is, but according to the BoxRec warrior he was #2-3; therefore, he is such a good fighter. :OhYes:

You need to lay off the BoxRec rankings and watch these guys fight for once. :KO:
You also claimed that Felix Diaz was the best opponent on Crawford's resume, and here he is losing to Francisco Santana. You're a total f*cking dumbass. You need to lay off the crack worse than I need to layoff the Boxrec rankings.
Jokeos trying to make up for being an idiot. "What the hell are you talking about? You do know that LWW was weak as hell when Crawford cleaned it out."

This was my exact quote about the division. It was never to say Diaz was a world-beater, but there is no denying that Diaz is a lot better than Indongo. There goes Jokeos going straight to BoxRec again like a clown. Diaz looked out of shape. Nothing to see here unless you want to quote BoxRec rankings again, Jokeos.
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Mexi-Box wrote: 22 Feb 2018, 11:16 Yes, Diaz is the best opponent Crawford has faced.
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