Why hasn’t GGG’s opponent been sorted out yet?

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Why hasn’t GGG’s opponent been sorted out yet?

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When I review the timeline of events of the Canelo-GGG rematch situation, I can’t help thinking that the names of potential replacement opponents that are rumoured to being considered for the Cinco de Mayo fight date are fairly atrocious.

The likes of Tom Loeffler, Abel Sanchez, GGG and HBO would have surely been informed of Canelo’s PED test failure at least several days prior to VADA’s official announcement to the media, which means that they would have had more than six weeks to sort out the situation and prepare a contingency plan (for a bout scheduled to take place nine weeks later).

The thing is, the same day that VADA announced that Canelo had tested positive for banned substances, the Mexican was commencing the first day of his training camp and it’s inevitable that GGG would have begun his own training around the same date.

Loeffler also confirmed that Golovkin began sparring around the 2nd April against right-handers, which means that a southpaw opponent won’t be considered. Therefore, GGG’s team could have commenced negotiations for a potential bout against one of the orthodox world-ranked fighters almost six weeks ago.

As far as I’m aware, the likes of Saunders, Jacobs, Charlo, Andrade & Derevyanchenko haven’t been contacted by GGG’s team, yet they’ve all expressed an interest in facing the Kazakh (of course, one or two of these fighters are southpaws, but given the timelines, Golovkin could have easily prepared to face that style).

Here’s a timeline of events:

• 17/02/18 - Canelo provided a urine sample to VADA
• 20/02/18 - Canelo provided a second urine sample to VADA
• 03/03/18 - It was announced to the media that Canelo tested positive for the banned substance Clenbuterol, as per the results from the tests performed on the 17th & 20th February
• 19/03/18 - Gennady Golovkin proposes the idea of facing Billy Joe Saunders if Canelo is suspended
• 21/03/18 - GGG behaves out-of-character and labels Canelo as being a drug “cheat”, with some members of the media suggesting that such claims could jeopardize their Cinco de Mayo rematch (hinting at a possible suspension for Canelo)
• 23/03/18 – Abel Sanchez claims that he's not worried if Canelo withdraws from the bout, because they have a backup plan
• 24/03/18 - The NSAC temporarily suspends Canelo, with the Mexican scheduled to attend a hearing at the commission on the 10th April, 2018
• 25/03/18 - HBO declines to use the Whyte-Browne telecast to promote the GGG-Canelo PPV rematch, due to the uncertainty surrounding the bout
• 26/03/18 - Tom Loeffler confirms that GGG will fight on the 5th May regardless as to whether he'll be facing Canelo or not
• 29/03/18 - The NSAC files a formal complaint and schedules a disciplinary hearing for the 18th April, 2018
• 03/04/18 - Canelo Alvarez officially withdraws from Gennady Golovkin rematch
• 05/04/18 - The NSAC refuse to sanction Mexico’s Jamie Munguia as Gennady Golovkin's opponent for his Cinco De May fight date
• 09/04/18 – Tom Loeffler admits that five men are in the running to face GGG on the 5th May, with guys like Vanes Martirosyan, Jamie Munguia and Gary ‘Spike’ O’Sullivan being frequently discussed by the media for several weeks
• 10/04/18 – Vanes Martirosyan is rejected for Golovkin fight by the IBF, WBA and WBC
• 11/04/18 – Gary "Spike" O'Sullivan declines the opportunity to fight GGG due to insufficient preparation time and receiving an inadequate offer. Bob Arum confirms that ESPN won't be paying HBO to televise GGG's bout on the 5th May. And Tom Loeffler admits to having doubts about Golovkin's ability to fight on Cinco de Mayo weekend

For the record, the purpose of this post isn’t intended to criticise GGG on a personal level, but merely the manner in which his team have dealt with their contingency plan, because we’re only three weeks away from the 5th May fight date and no opponent has been announced yet.

Thoughts? :confused:
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GGG's got to just step down from the date and try to schedule the June fight with BJS. It makes no sense to keep this up and to try to steal this date away from the Mexicans. It's theirs. Let them get something better better on tap.
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I'd say this has been quite a clusterfuck thanks to Canelo, but it's also highlighting the deficiencies of Team GGG they haven't handled the business side of this well regardless of time. Offering that shit opponent Munguia says a lot, not a good look. And it sounds like their still talking about bringing up other small guys when that is the last damn thing they should do. It's become all about not being told what to do, as opposed to making the right move. Derevyanchenko is the fight that should happen, to me, no other. Toughest available fight, fulfills mandatory. Of course everyone says their willing to step in for all the belts, doesn't mean it should happen.
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SFW wrote: 10 Apr 2018, 07:44 I'd say this has been quite a clusterfuck thanks to Canelo, but it's also highlighting the deficiencies of Team GGG they haven't handled the business side of this well regardless of time. Offering that poo opponent Munguia says a lot, not a good look. And it sounds like their still talking about bringing up other small guys when that is the last damn thing they should do. It's become all about not being told what to do, as opposed to making the right move. Derevyanchenko is the fight that should happen, to me, no other. Toughest available fight, fulfills mandatory. Of course everyone says their willing to step in for all the belts, doesn't mean it should happen.
You are aware that they had to find an opponent on a one month notice? Which top MW can make 160 in one month and be ready to compete with GGG after that?
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boxing_rocks wrote: 10 Apr 2018, 09:07You are aware that they had to find an opponent on a one month notice? Which top MW can make 160 in one month and be ready to compete with GGG after that?
The second that Team GGG were notified of Canelo’s PED test failure more than six weeks ago, they should have prepared a contingency plan, but they failed to do this, especially if Gennady had already committed himself to fighting on the 5th May regardless.

We’re only a few weeks away from that date and Tom Loeffler stated yesterday that five opponents were being considered which is a bit of a last minute thing.

If you read the first post in this thread, which contains the actual timelines, it proves that Team GGG have already had more than six weeks to find an opponent for a bout that is taking place in three weeks’ time.

For the record, there were more than nine weeks’ between the date that Canelo tested positive for PED’s and the Cinco de Mayo fight date. There aren’t any excuses for Team GGG’s lack of planning.

We’ve seen other promoters, such as Eddie Hearn, ensuring on multiple occasions that a contingency plan was in place in case one of the opponents for the main event withdrew from their bouts against AJ (i.e. Carlos Takam was the stand-in for Kubrat Pulev; and Alexander Povetkin was Joseph Parker’s cover).
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Eddie Hearn is probably the best promoter in business. Loefler is clearly nowhere close to that level.
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boxing_rocks wrote: 10 Apr 2018, 09:51 Eddie Hearn is probably the best promoter in business. Loefler is clearly nowhere close to that level.
OK, we agree.

I’m not criticising Golovkin personally, but his team really does need to do much better.
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Who cares? It won't be anyone that's any good, it'll just be a keep busy fight and hopefully he'll fight Saunders or something in September.
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BitPlayer wrote: 10 Apr 2018, 11:38 Who cares? It won't be anyone that's any good, it'll just be a keep busy fight and hopefully he'll fight Saunders or something in September.
The only thing I am wondering about is how they can get Vanes into ABC MW rankings.
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caldo2025 wrote: 10 Apr 2018, 07:40 GGG's got to just step down from the date and try to schedule the June fight with BJS. It makes no sense to keep this up and to try to steal this date away from the Mexicans. It's theirs. Let them get something better better on tap.
Like what?
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boxing_rocks wrote: 10 Apr 2018, 11:49
BitPlayer wrote: 10 Apr 2018, 11:38 Who cares? It won't be anyone that's any good, it'll just be a keep busy fight and hopefully he'll fight Saunders or something in September.
The only thing I am wondering about is how they can get Vanes into ABC MW rankings.
I saw that this morning. Vanes hasn't fought in 2 years and was 1-2 in his last 3 fights.
And on top of that he was a junior middle.

This fight is beyond a joke
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tiny_acres wrote: 10 Apr 2018, 11:58
boxing_rocks wrote: 10 Apr 2018, 11:49
BitPlayer wrote: 10 Apr 2018, 11:38 Who cares? It won't be anyone that's any good, it'll just be a keep busy fight and hopefully he'll fight Saunders or something in September.
The only thing I am wondering about is how they can get Vanes into ABC MW rankings.
I saw that this morning. Vanes hasn't fought in 2 years and was 1-2 in his last 3 fights.
And on top of that he was a junior middle.

This fight is beyond a joke
Dan Rafael is claiming that GGG's next bout is definitely going to be a HBO PPV. FFS! :lol:
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Enlightened-One wrote: 10 Apr 2018, 12:29
tiny_acres wrote: 10 Apr 2018, 11:58
boxing_rocks wrote: 10 Apr 2018, 11:49
The only thing I am wondering about is how they can get Vanes into ABC MW rankings.
I saw that this morning. Vanes hasn't fought in 2 years and was 1-2 in his last 3 fights.
And on top of that he was a junior middle.

This fight is beyond a joke
Dan Rafael is claiming that GGG's next bout is definitely going to be a HBO PPV. FFS! :lol:
No, he isn't lately:
http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/2 ... mes-degale
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There is one massive obstacle to overcome here, namely that prospective opponents are fully aware that team GGG are not in a strong bargaining position here. Team GGG need an opponent, and they need one fast - so feel free to ask for the sky!

Can't blame Loeffler too much, who'd guess this could happen? Blame Canelo.

Might be an idea to always have an understudy ready at short notice in future for less lucrative fights. I have sympathy for Tom, nothing seems to have gone easy in dealing with Canelo. Still, its a great learning process.

Let's face it, Canelo Alvarez is not an easy guy to replace. Whoever you get will be a let down.
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We waited 8 months for this sh!t. And Lomachenko - Linares almost did not happen because of THIS.
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What is the Mexican press saying about this latest bit of VADA bs?
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caldo2025 wrote: 10 Apr 2018, 07:40 GGG's got to just step down from the date and try to schedule the June fight with BJS. It makes no sense to keep this up and to try to steal this date away from the Mexicans. It's theirs. Let them get something better better on tap.
Yeah I agree. I think ggg v Saunders would do well in the UK in June.

Not Mexican holiday numbers but he can do that in September after Alvarez serves a wee ban. Win or lose.
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boxing_rocks wrote: 10 Apr 2018, 13:00
Enlightened-One wrote: 10 Apr 2018, 12:29
tiny_acres wrote: 10 Apr 2018, 11:58

I saw that this morning. Vanes hasn't fought in 2 years and was 1-2 in his last 3 fights.
And on top of that he was a junior middle.

This fight is beyond a joke
Dan Rafael is claiming that GGG's next bout is definitely going to be a HBO PPV. FFS! :lol:
No, he isn't lately:
http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/2 ... mes-degale
Dan stated HBO's intention to have GGG's bout as a PPV during his Froday afternoon ESPN chat... and nothing has changed since then.

In fact your article states the following:

"So Golovkin, who turned 36 on Sunday and is not getting any younger, is in a tough spot because GGG Promotions' Tom Loeffler is trying to promote an HBO PPV event..."

To be honest though, I don't really expect HBO to televise Golovkin's bout as a PPV, but stranger things have happened.
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Cent0089 wrote: 10 Apr 2018, 13:44 We waited 8 months for this sh!t. And Lomachenko - Linares almost did not happen because of THIS.
... and GGG vs BJS didn't happen last summer because of DLH pressure. Divas are bad for boxing.
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Enlightened-One wrote: 10 Apr 2018, 14:59
boxing_rocks wrote: 10 Apr 2018, 13:00
Enlightened-One wrote: 10 Apr 2018, 12:29
Dan Rafael is claiming that GGG's next bout is definitely going to be a HBO PPV. FFS! :lol:
No, he isn't lately:
http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/2 ... mes-degale
Dan stated HBO's intention to have GGG's bout as a PPV during his Froday afternoon ESPN chat... and nothing has changed since then.

In fact your article states the following:

"So Golovkin, who turned 36 on Sunday and is not getting any younger, is in a tough spot because GGG Promotions' Tom Loeffler is trying to promote an HBO PPV event..."

To be honest though, I don't really expect HBO to televise Golovkin's bout as a PPV, but stranger things have happened.
Are you back to your selective consumption pattern?
Once that happened, I'm told, HBO came to the table and is looking for the money to place GGG's fight on regular HBO.

But whether Golovkin fights on May 5 on HBO PPV or on regular HBO ........
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boxing_rocks wrote: 10 Apr 2018, 11:49
BitPlayer wrote: 10 Apr 2018, 11:38 Who cares? It won't be anyone that's any good, it'll just be a keep busy fight and hopefully he'll fight Saunders or something in September.
The only thing I am wondering about is how they can get Vanes into ABC MW rankings.
They'll probably grant an exception because of the pull out by Canelo.
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NSAC cancelled the MGM Grand fight:

http://www.boxingtalk.com/pag/article.php?aid=34563
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boxing_rocks wrote: 10 Apr 2018, 15:16
Enlightened-One wrote: 10 Apr 2018, 14:59
boxing_rocks wrote: 10 Apr 2018, 13:00
No, he isn't lately:
http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/2 ... mes-degale
Dan stated HBO's intention to have GGG's bout as a PPV during his Froday afternoon ESPN chat... and nothing has changed since then.

In fact your article states the following:

"So Golovkin, who turned 36 on Sunday and is not getting any younger, is in a tough spot because GGG Promotions' Tom Loeffler is trying to promote an HBO PPV event..."

To be honest though, I don't really expect HBO to televise Golovkin's bout as a PPV, but stranger things have happened.
Are you back to your selective consumption pattern?
Once that happened, I'm told, HBO came to the table and is looking for the money to place GGG's fight on regular HBO.

But whether Golovkin fights on May 5 on HBO PPV or on regular HBO ........
This isn't even worth arguing about, since our opinions aren't that different.

If you follow Dan's chats and tweets as often as I do, you'd probably have far more empathy with my stance.

He said that HBO will televise the event as a PPV, unless they get some money from ESPN.

That hasn't happened yet and Tom Loeffler is still trying to sell the event as a PPV.

Have I misinterpreted the situation? And why are you arguing with me about this? I was quoting Dan's own words, which don't necessarily reflect my own opinion.
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Vanes was rejected by WBC, IBF and WBA.
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