Is Luis Ortiz the most avoided Heavyweight in the world right now ?

[SenorPipino]

Senor! Don't forget the beard protection! LMFAO!

Do you want to bump up the thread and continue to discuss my opposition to facial hair on boxers some more? Fine.

Go right ahead. I can use a laugh!

Please. You don't need to encourage these guys.

They're demented enough on their own.

[oogiebe]

Do you want to bump up the thread and continue to discuss my opposition to facial hair on boxers some more? Fine.

Go right ahead. I can use a laugh!

Please. You don't need to encourage these guys.

They're demented enough on their own.

I was going to ignore anyway. They make for entertaining reads!

[Ilya Muromets]

Do you want to bump up the thread and continue to discuss my opposition to facial hair on boxers some more? Fine.

Go right ahead. I can use a laugh!

Please. You don't need to encourage these guys.

They're demented enough on their own.

So according to the resident inteligentsia here noticing blatant interference and cheating and favoritism as well as noticing the violation of the traditional and historic boxing rules prohibiting beards is... funny and demented?

[oogiebe]

Go right ahead. I can use a laugh!

Please. You don't need to encourage these guys.

They're demented enough on their own.

So according to the resident inteligentsia here noticing blatant interference and cheating and favoritism as well as noticing the violation of the traditional and historic boxing rules prohibiting beards is... funny and demented?

No, no...you misunderstand...I think YOU are funny and demented. That's not a bad thing.

[dookus]

What is it with top class amateur Cubans sabotaging their own professional careers over and over again

[oogiebe]

What is it with Cubans sabotaging their own professional careers over and over again

How do you figure?

[Badhusker]

hes good but hes not a boogeyman at all, he looked poor vs scott and allen and just got kod, and hes almost 40

hes been his own worst enemy killing his momentum and not getting many fights. the ped failures and constant team changes can do that

and pussy aj? lol, hes been moved way more ambitiously then pretty much any other hw in decades

Can you or anyone tell me why AJ didn't fight Ortiz? He had more than one chance if I remember right. Instead he fought guys like Breazeale, Molina, and Takam. Why did they opt for Takam after the Pulev fight fell through? Ortiz was the other mandatory. It seems like it would have been an easy fight to make. Ortiz and his team called AJ on it. Maybe it is because he is a southpaw.

[jamamb]

ortiz didnt impress at all in his two matchroom fights, why would they be scared of him? he couldnt even stop malik scott. he was working with hearn then he suddenly decided to part ways, strange

hes done it to himself repeatedly, whether drugs or constant promotional changes.

[SenorPipino]

Please. You don't need to encourage these guys.

They're demented enough on their own.

So according to the resident inteligentsia here noticing blatant interference and cheating and favoritism as well as noticing the violation of the traditional and historic boxing rules prohibiting beards is... funny and demented?

No, no...you misunderstand...I think YOU are funny and demented. That's not a bad thing.

But It's soitenly nothing to brag about either.

[oogiebe]

So according to the resident inteligentsia here noticing blatant interference and cheating and favoritism as well as noticing the violation of the traditional and historic boxing rules prohibiting beards is... funny and demented?

No, no...you misunderstand...I think YOU are funny and demented. That's not a bad thing.

But It's soitenly nothing to brag about either.

LMFAO! That too!

[Ilya Muromets]

Please. You don't need to encourage these guys.

They're demented enough on their own.

So according to the resident inteligentsia here noticing blatant interference and cheating and favoritism as well as noticing the violation of the traditional and historic boxing rules prohibiting beards is... funny and demented?

No, no...you misunderstand...I think YOU are funny and demented. That's not a bad thing.

I'm funny and demented how? I'm here to make you laugh?

[Stuarty]

Ortiz is well schooled and talented! He's a good fighter but he's a lot older than his stats suggest! Wilder isn't a very good boxer! Ortiz got to him after a god awful fight (up to that point). He couldn't finish him coz he shot his bolt! Wilder came back, much to his credit, and won the fight! Well done! But have a bit of perspective ffs!

The complicit ringside doctor and referee have already been memory holed, airbrushed out of the picture, huh?

Well no! He emptied the tank trying to finish him and then was subsequently knackered so got blown out! He looked every year the 53 year old after he blew his beans

[Ilya Muromets]

Ortiz is well schooled and talented! He's a good fighter but he's a lot older than his stats suggest! Wilder isn't a very good boxer! Ortiz got to him after a god awful fight (up to that point). He couldn't finish him coz he shot his bolt! Wilder came back, much to his credit, and won the fight! Well done! But have a bit of perspective ffs!

The complicit ringside doctor and referee have already been memory holed, airbrushed out of the picture, huh?

Well no! He emptied the tank trying to finish him and then was subsequently knackered so got blown out! He looked every year the 53 year old after he blew his beans

With a little help from the ringside doctor and referee, but, as i said, they don't care to even talk about that, and if you remember it you're a "cospiracy theorist"... or it all happened "in between rounds", like some of them were saying on the other thread. And this just happened a couple of weeks ago, but still they get angry if you remember it! This place needs Twilight Zone background music... not as much as the tv "news", but still...

[Stuarty]

The complicit ringside doctor and referee have already been memory holed, airbrushed out of the picture, huh?

Well no! He emptied the tank trying to finish him and then was subsequently knackered so got blown out! He looked every year the 53 year old after he blew his beans

With a little help from the ringside doctor and referee, but, as i said, they don't care to even talk about that, and if you remember it you're a "cospiracy theorist"... or it all happened "in between rounds", like some of them were saying on the other thread. And this just happened a couple of weeks ago, but still they get angry if you remember it! This place needs Twilight Zone background music... not as much as the tv "news", but still...

You're ranting a bit there mate. Calm yourself to a simmer! I've not watched the fight back but at the time I found myself shouting at the tv 'get to fukk ref and let them go'! I didn't and don't care who won. I wouldn't like to make any bold or silly comments before watching it back but at the time, in the moment I felt the ref was taking his time when the bell went to start the round.

[Ilya Muromets]

Well no! He emptied the tank trying to finish him and then was subsequently knackered so got blown out! He looked every year the 53 year old after he blew his beans

With a little help from the ringside doctor and referee, but, as i said, they don't care to even talk about that, and if you remember it you're a "cospiracy theorist"... or it all happened "in between rounds", like some of them were saying on the other thread. And this just happened a couple of weeks ago, but still they get angry if you remember it! This place needs Twilight Zone background music... not as much as the tv "news", but still...

You're ranting a bit there mate. Calm yourself to a simmer! I've not watched the fight back but at the time I found myself shouting at the tv 'get to fukk ref and let them go'! I didn't and don't care who won. I wouldn't like to make any bold or silly comments before watching it back but at the time, in the moment I felt the ref was taking his time when the bell went to start the round.

I'm perfectly calm, mate. I had no dog in that fight. More boxing bs that's all. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along. Fight's over. Wilder won. The Cuban gased out. Nothing unusual happened. You're traveling through another a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind...

[Stuarty]

With a little help from the ringside doctor and referee, but, as i said, they don't care to even talk about that, and if you remember it you're a "cospiracy theorist"... or it all happened "in between rounds", like some of them were saying on the other thread. And this just happened a couple of weeks ago, but still they get angry if you remember it! This place needs Twilight Zone background music... not as much as the tv "news", but still...

You're ranting a bit there mate. Calm yourself to a simmer! I've not watched the fight back but at the time I found myself shouting at the tv 'get to fukk ref and let them go'! I didn't and don't care who won. I wouldn't like to make any bold or silly comments before watching it back but at the time, in the moment I felt the ref was taking his time when the bell went to start the round.

I'm perfectly calm, mate. I had no dog in that fight. More boxing bs that's all. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along. Fight's over. Wilder won. The Cuban gased out. Nothing unusual happened. You're traveling in another dimension...

Ortiz did gas out though. That's the thing! Yeah at the time I thought the ref was doing Deontay a favour but a younger fitter fighter would've gotten Wilder outta there.

[Ilya Muromets]

"Yeah at the time I thought the ref was doing Deontay a favour "


Yeah I'd get that vague impression too when the two of them stopped the action to give the guy on rubber legs time to recover under the mad pretense of giving him a medical examination. Duh.

[Stuarty]

"Yeah at the time I thought the ref was doing Deontay a favour "


Yeah I'd get that vague impression too when the two of them stopped the action to give the guy on rubber legs time to recover under the mad pretense of giving him a medical examination. Duh.

Irregardless a younger fitter man would've gotten Wilder outta there! I'd need to watch it back again before crying foul but it's obviously ruffled your feathers eh sweetheart!

[Badhusker]

I predict that Joshua, and the other top guys avoid fighting Ortiz for at least two years, hoping he will retire. I hope I'm wrong.

[candyslim]

I have to laugh at some folks that use the excuse of no offers being made to someone like Joshua, or other elite guys at heavyweight. (The few that they are) Team Joshua is obviously the A side and won't have offers dictated to them, they make the offers. Why didn't they have Joshua fight Ortiz when they had him? The answer is obvious.
Wilder gave him a shot, and didn't even have to. Like several here predicted, now that Ortiz lost he is old and past it. I still think he is a top five heavyweight easily. Imo, there is only one guy out there that would beat him, and that is the guy that beat him. I think there is a reason why team Joshua has been waiting for him to get "old"er. He is still the boogeyman.

100%...I'm getting tired of the hypocritical posts in the entire forum. No one is going to run to sign to fight Ortiz. He still scary. Until I see a top 5 HW sign to fight him, he's still the bogeyman! And don't think Wilder's brutal KO of Ortiz didn't scare off other HW's. (Pussy AJ for one)

How many times have I got to fukcing say this? Ortiz was Joshua's WBA mandatory. He had another mandatory IBF which was an older obligation (Pulev) who Joshua was going to fight late 2017 then Ortiz was next up March 2018.

It wasn't Joshua's fault that Haymon/ Ortiz decided to go the WBC route instead, and now Ortiz having given up the WBA mandatory has been replaced by Povetkin. Now I know that badhusker won't engage on this point. He'll scurry away into the shadows as normal and then post the same ignorant hate-filled bullshit in a day or two or even sooner, true to form.

In twenty one fights Joshua has beaten 6 fighters who were previously unbeaten, 6 fighters who are now or were when he fought them, top 10 in the world rankings, won two unification contests beating one ATG and future hall of famer.

Just to get that in perspective, in his 21st fight Deontay Wilder stopped one Jessie Oltmanns. How many have heard of him?

Anybody who thinks Joshua is a pussy is not just a fukcing idiot, but one with an agenda.

[Deleted_Scenes]

Why did they opt for Takam after the Pulev fight fell through? Ortiz was the other mandatory. It seems like it would have been an easy fight to make. Ortiz and his team called AJ on it. Maybe it is because he is a southpaw.

1. Because the IBF mandatory was due and the WBA wasn't. The IBF named Takam mandatory after Pulev withdrew. If Joshua didn't take that fight, he would have been stripped.

2. Because Ortiz himself CHOSE to chase the WBC belt instead of the WBA. He would have been next in line for Joshua if he didn't choose to fight Wilder instead.

[funso banjo baby]

he's only just fought wilder.

I wouldn't expect him to start even light sparring for another 8 months

[chinarich]

It might just be me but I have never bought into people being scared to fight Ortiz, it’s not as if he ever blazed a trail through the division destroying feared fighters and taking their souls.

He beat Bryant Jennings who was never much anyway, an ancient Tony Thompson and feather-fisted dive merchant Malik Scott. Aside from that he has hardly beaten anyone of note...