Miller V. Johann Duhaupas

[SenorPipino]

well i dont think wilder is even close to an atg heavyweight, but just in terms of power i think he ranks highly, even on a historical basis. maybe thats what byrd meant.

Byrd mentioned how big he is, and how he could easily reach you compared to someone like Tyson, who had to get in close. Him saying he would rather fight Tyson instead of Wilder had a lot to do with his height, reach, and reckless style. Not many people question his freakish power.

Just like Roy Jones acknowledged that he didn't want to fight Lennox Lewis because of the vast physical disadvantages he would face.

But John Ruiz didn't present those same physical challenges, even if you disregard the difference in talent.

[jameswilson]

I can't see anything with Chris Byrd in it without remembering him being referred to as 'Crisp Tu rd' years ago by some poster on a forum.

[oogiebe]

I can't see anything with Chris Byrd in it without remembering him being referred to as 'Crisp poop' years ago by some poster on a forum.

LOL! Just like politics. Use it when it suits you. (not you, just people).

[oogiebe]

I think a lot people here are underrated Duhaupas. He is not the best heavyweight on earth, but he is tough, has a quite good power, and he will be a good oponent for Miller. I don't see a 50/50 fight, Miller is favourite, but Duhaupas has a chance too, and it will be a nice fight to watch.

I think Duhaupas has chance if this fight takes place for all the reasons you mention above. Miller is all vapor ware.

[Kalan]

I think a lot people here are underrated Duhaupas. He is not the best heavyweight on earth, but he is tough, has a quite good power, and he will be a good oponent for Miller. I don't see a 50/50 fight, Miller is favourite, but Duhaupas has a chance too, and it will be a nice fight to watch.

I think Duhaupas has chance if this fight takes place for all the reasons you mention above. Miller is all vapor ware.

Duhaupas is rugged... He was SELECTED for that reason...

Miller doesn't want 1-round jobs.. He wants to fight.. Miller told his people to get him tough guys who won't cave.. There's nothing more frustrating than training for months.... Getting up at 6AM to do your road work... sparring 8 to 12 rounds a day with 3, 4, or 5 spar-mates.... and having your fight night opponent fall over dead from a soft left hook, 2 minutes into the fight... You see frustrated fighters glare at their floored opponent like "Get up you faking SOB." It's frustrating.

He's going to try to look happy, smile, and celebrate because everybody's cheering for him - but he's not real happy.. The main reason a lot of guys box is because they love to box -- or they love to fight.. You can't do either if your opponent drops dead.. Some fighters tell your coach, "Look, I want the toughest guys you can find... Get me guys who can fight."

Sonny Liston had 3 fights in 3 years before he fought Clay... The opponents lasted 1 or 2 minutes each... Doesn't help.

[Ilya Muromets]

I think a lot people here are underrated Duhaupas. He is not the best heavyweight on earth, but he is tough, has a quite good power, and he will be a good oponent for Miller. I don't see a 50/50 fight, Miller is favourite, but Duhaupas has a chance too, and it will be a nice fight to watch.

I agree. We shall see. Duhaupas took both the Wilder and Povetkin fights at the last moment without proper prep, and he was also injured for the Wilder fight. Those were the only two times he's been stopped. The Big Baby didn't look very good in his last fight against an out of shape and injured Wach.

[oogiebe]

I think a lot people here are underrated Duhaupas. He is not the best heavyweight on earth, but he is tough, has a quite good power, and he will be a good oponent for Miller. I don't see a 50/50 fight, Miller is favourite, but Duhaupas has a chance too, and it will be a nice fight to watch.

I agree. We shall see. Duhaupas took both the Wilder and Povetkin fights at the last moment without proper prep, and he was also injured for the Wilder fight. Those were the only two times he's been stopped. The Big Baby didn't look very good in his last fight against an out of shape and injured Wach.

Nothing would make me happier than to see Duhaupas KTF outta baby huey Miler. !; I hate Miller...2; I kinda think Duhaupas is a hard working stand up guy.

[asdfjkl]

I think a lot people here are underrated Duhaupas. He is not the best heavyweight on earth, but he is tough, has a quite good power, and he will be a good oponent for Miller. I don't see a 50/50 fight, Miller is favourite, but Duhaupas has a chance too, and it will be a nice fight to watch.

He improved a lot since he doesn't see himself as an amateur any more, and he gave Wilder the hardest fight of his life (while he lost against most of his opponents known by Wikipedia before the Wilder fight), according to Wilder himself. But I would be highly surprised if Miller has any problems with him.

[Kalan]

I think a lot people here are underrated Duhaupas. He is not the best heavyweight on earth, but he is tough, has a quite good power, and he will be a good oponent for Miller. I don't see a 50/50 fight, Miller is favourite, but Duhaupas has a chance too, and it will be a nice fight to watch.

I agree. We shall see. Duhaupas took both the Wilder and Povetkin fights at the last moment without proper prep, and he was also injured for the Wilder fight. Those were the only two times he's been stopped. The Big Baby didn't look very good in his last fight against an out of shape and injured Wach.

Nothing would make me happier than to see Duhaupas KTF outta baby huey Miler. !; I hate Miller...2; I kinda think Duhaupas is a hard working stand up guy.

He's a hard working stand up man... He's fairly big and tall... But he's too slow.

[candyslim]

Nothing would make me happier than to see Duhaupas KTF outta baby huey Miler. !; I hate Miller...2; I kinda think Duhaupas is a hard working stand up guy.

It's your prerogative of course, but I'm curious as to why you would hate Miller. As I see it he's very entertaining and he can fight. That makes him good for boxing and the heavyweight division.

I really like him and I think the division could use a lot more fighters that can impact the top ten and who have real self-belief ... the big mouth is optional but I've no problem with it

[Kalan]

I wish Miller were 20 like Daniel Dubois... but he'll soon be 30...

I hate the way they're matching Dubois.... like they're planning on getting him to the top when he's 23... The guys he fighting are gone in 2... He barely breaks a sweat... He could be fighting them every month -- or even every 2 weeks..

Guys get bored to death when they're knocking over weak opponents in a round or 2 and fighting every 2 to 4 months... Cus D'Amato believed in moving guys up to contender status very quickly... Especially when their sparring is tougher than their fights... You have to go get better opponents and more of them.

[jamamb]

yes, theyve been doing vanity matching for dubois, extremely chinny /powerless/small/poor guys to assure he gets the big kos. they want to capitalize on aj hw mania.

its worked so far , ppl are already talking up as some world level monster puncher even though hes been can crushing. reputable boxing people have said he already beats up guys like povetkin and other contenders.

[Mexi-Box]

yes, theyve been doing vanity matching for dubois, extremely chinny /powerless/small/poor guys to assure he gets the big kos. they want to capitalize on aj hw mania.

its worked so far , ppl are already talking up as some world level monster puncher even though hes been can crushing. reputable boxing people have said he already beats up guys like povetkin and other contenders.

I wouldn't talk too much considering you think Wilder, with only 2 quality wins (counting Stiverne), beats Povetkin and Parker.

[SenorPipino]

It doesn't really matter how many quality wins you have.

If you have the talent you can beat Povetkin and Parker, who aren't exactly P4P greats.

Put up the odds. Wilder would be solid favorites over either.

[candyslim]

Touché edit: (Mexi's rebuke)

I don't know what I think about DDD's schedule. Certainly Kalan's right that he could be fighting every month against the calibre of opponent he's been fighting, at the same time you don't want to go matching a 20 year old with the likes of, say for example, Joe Joyce.

The circumstances are very different of course but I think of Mike Tyson who was a teenage terror and well past his best by his mid-twenties. There is of course no Cus-type mentor whose loss might devastate Daniel Dubois, but I would still be wary of his tender age and bring him along relatively slowly.

Having said that there's no point matching him with opponents he won't learn from. I think Sam Sexton is a reasonable short-term goal, in the meantime I'd give him Kamil Sokolowski, and maybe bring back Kingpin Kev and see if DDD can bowl him over.

[jamamb]

lol touche?

pretty much lol at a resume based argument for wilder not being able to beat a gut like joe parker. omg joes got all those mds where he looked crap and showed no power!

[Bard of Boxrec]

Miller doesn’t impress me at all. If duhaupas comes in well prepared and hasn’t declined since wilder I’ll be backing him if I can get better than 4/1 or so.

[oogiebe]

Miller doesn’t impress me at all. If duhaupas comes in well prepared and hasn’t declined since wilder I’ll be backing him if I can get better than 4/1 or so.

Miller is all talk and no head movement. Not enough power to be feared. Duhaupas will probably lose, but I'll be rooting for him. Miller wins, so what...but if he loses...we'll see him on YouTube in another "when cherry picking goes wrong."

[Kalan]

It WON'T happen.... Miller won't lose a fight this close to a title shot... He'll get a Title Fight in the next year for certain.

It would Ali losing to Norton or Tyson losing to Douglas.... or maybe more like Norton losing to Garcia... Who saw that?

So you could mortgage your house and bet on Miller and you WON'T go wrong... He can't lose.

[oogiebe]

It WON'T happen.... Miller won't lose a fight this close to a title shot... He'll get a Title Fight in the next year for certain.

It would be like Ali losing to Norton or Tyson losing to Douglas.... Or maybe more like Norton losing to Garcia...

I think this could be one of those bad picks of opponent as I mentioned. It could also be wishful thinking on my part!

[Kalan]

Well don't be like Riddick Blow and bet on the underdog... That's throwing money to the wind.

Like all those guys betting Whyte to beat Joshua... That was funny... Whyte said he was going to win for certain. Yup!!

[Bard of Boxrec]

Well don't be like Riddick Blow and bet on the underdog... That's throwing money to the wind.

Like all those guys betting Whyte to beat Joshua... That was funny... Whyte said he was going to win for certain. Yup!!

Duhauppas is 13/2 with some books. That’s good value for a game guy with some size and skills vs a guy who can fight sloppy like Miller.

[hudgeliberal]

I don't know about the future of Big Baby, but it is probably in the best interest of boxing and heavyweight division if Miller comes out on top. I will say this, Duhaupas is better than most give him credit. He is one of those guys that just seem to be able to be competitive in most fights where he is fighting a more talented fighter. So, I say BIg Baby by late round TKO but would not be surprised to see it go the distance with Duhaupas putting up a decent fight. I don't think Big Baby has a chance against Joshua, Wilder or even Parker. Maybe a Miller vs Whyte eliminator should be scheduled?? Have a great weekend everyone!

[candyslim]

lol touche?

pretty much lol at a resume based argument for wilder not being able to beat a gut like joe parker. omg joes got all those mds where he looked crap and showed no power!

No need to get defensive, it just made laugh is all. For what it's worth I'd make Wilder favourite over Parker although I think it's an interesting fight and that outcome a long way from a certainty.

Two years ago I'd have had the fight 50/50 maybe Povetkin a very slight favourite, but now I'd give him little chance against Wilder.

Against Ortiz, Wilder displayed guts and the ability to withstand both a hard shot and sustained punishment, so answering my doubts about him. It seems to me it's looking like the years are catching up with Povetkin. I could be wrong but I wasn't with Ortiz. I picked Wilder to win without knowing about his heart and toughness. Two years before I'd have expected Ortiz to toy with him.

[jamamb]

im not defensive, im just not seeing how that line can be used at all in the way it was, of joes best 3 wins he easily couldve lost 2 of them, neither vs top 10 guys, bizarre to act like parkers record is just so good that you cant pick wilder over him