I think Golovkin is really on a decline way because they still looking for that soft opponent for him

[Enlightened-One]

Exactly. We had this debate on the other thread.

They've tried to arrange 4 bouts that we know about in the last 3 weeks. 2 were turned down by various bodies/authorities, Saunders said he would fight but in June and Osullivan turned it down as he wanted more time to prepare and possibly more money.

These are just the ones we know about.

A disaster recovery plan is not the same as a contingency plan.

Please understand the definition between both terms prior to raising points that fail to support your own argument.

Which fighter, who wasn't already fighting, do you suggest they should have asked to be on standby just in case the fight fell through that would have been happy to do that and would have been acceptable to the sanctioning bodies? You're just not being realistic.

Please explain to me the definition of a contingency plan?

Also please explain what a disaster recovery plan is?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Please explain to me the definition of a contingency plan?

Also please explain what a disaster recovery plan is?

Nt that you asked me... But..

contingency plan - noun
a plan designed to take account of a possible future event or circumstance.

A disaster recovery plan (DRP) is a documented process or set of procedures to recover and protect a business IT infrastructure in the event of a disaster. Such a plan, ordinarily documented in written form, specifies procedures an organization is to follow in the event of a disaster.

[Enlightened-One]

Please explain to me the definition of a contingency plan?

Also please explain what a disaster recovery plan is?

Nt that you asked me... But..

contingency plan - noun
a plan designed to take account of a possible future event or circumstance.

A disaster recovery plan (DRP) is a documented process or set of procedures to recover and protect a business IT infrastructure in the event of a disaster. Such a plan, ordinarily documented in written form, specifies procedures an organization is to follow in the event of a disaster.

Thanks for that!

It seems to me the people arguing against me seem to think those two phrases mean something else.

[ewenhay]

A disaster recovery plan is not the same as a contingency plan.

Please understand the definition between both terms prior to raising points that fail to support your own argument.

Which fighter, who wasn't already fighting, do you suggest they should have asked to be on standby just in case the fight fell through that would have been happy to do that and would have been acceptable to the sanctioning bodies? You're just not being realistic.

Please explain to me the definition of a contingency plan?

Also please explain what a disaster recovery plan is?

Ruthless-RKO answered that question. Please answer mine? Thanks

[lazboy]

You’re applying your own definition to a contingency plan. What you, a layperson not involved in the boxing industry expects to have been done. Perhaps they had tentative plans. Contracts to negotiate. Maybe they did have a contract with the Mexican but the sanctioning bodies didn’t allow it. Perhaps they wanted to gauge public opinion prior to signing a new fighter which is a plan.

Maybe they understand they if they couldn’t get these so and so fighters than it would be better in the long run to have no fight, pushing back the date a month or two. That’s also a plan. A plan to have no fight if this fighter is declined. Do you think every fighter would willingly sign a contract to fight golovkin If Canelo left, would bjs? What would be his consideration for signing? He has to train for golovkin without knowing if he’d be fighting golovkin for sure. How much money would it take, would it be worth contracting.

[lazboy]

Lmao an internet definition of a contingency plan? You find that acceptable EO? Where does it specify contracts must be drawn. Where does it specify the plan must be perfect and parties cannot reject it at a later date like Spike did. This is laughable!

[ewenhay]

You’re applying your own definition to a contingency plan. What you, a layperson not involved in the boxing industry expects to have been done. Perhaps they had tentative plans. Contracts to negotiate. Maybe they did have a contract with the Mexican but the sanctioning bodies didn’t allow it. Perhaps they wanted to gauge public opinion prior to signing a new fighter which is a plan.

Maybe they understand they if they couldn’t get these so and so fighters than it would be better in the long run to have no fight, pushing back the date a month or two. That’s also a plan. A plan to have no fight if this fighter is declined. Do you think every fighter would willingly sign a contract to fight golovkin If Canelo left, would bjs? What would be his consideration for signing? He has to train for golovkin without knowing if he’d be fighting golovkin for sure. How much money would it take, would it be worth contracting.

Absolutely spot on. He seems to think a contingency plan should have been in place but can't give a single example of a realistic plan

[Enlightened-One]

Which fighter, who wasn't already fighting, do you suggest they should have asked to be on standby just in case the fight fell through that would have been happy to do that and would have been acceptable to the sanctioning bodies? You're just not being realistic.

Please explain to me the definition of a contingency plan?

Also please explain what a disaster recovery plan is?

Ruthless-RKO answered that question. Please answer mine? Thanks

Team GGG are reacting to an adverse situation.

They did not have any definite plans for the future occurence of a problematic event, such as when Canelo withdrew, since they didn't have a definite replacement opponent lined-up.

Team GGG saying that they'll start searching for a replacement opponent only if Canelo subsequently decides to withdraw from the fight, is by its very nature reactive.

If Team GGG had previously claimed that they had already agreed terms with a certain named stand-by opponent and that the aforementioned fighter would definitely be facing Gennady Golovkin if Canelo decides to withdraw from the fight in the future, is proactive in nature.

Which circumstance closely resembles Team GGG's current predicament?

Do you even understand the definition of a contingency plan and what sort of facts can you supply to support its existence (in the context of GGG's current predicament)?

[lazboy]

You’re applying your own definition to a contingency plan. What you, a layperson not involved in the boxing industry expects to have been done. Perhaps they had tentative plans. Contracts to negotiate. Maybe they did have a contract with the Mexican but the sanctioning bodies didn’t allow it. Perhaps they wanted to gauge public opinion prior to signing a new fighter which is a plan.

Maybe they understand they if they couldn’t get these so and so fighters than it would be better in the long run to have no fight, pushing back the date a month or two. That’s also a plan. A plan to have no fight if this fighter is declined. Do you think every fighter would willingly sign a contract to fight golovkin If Canelo left, would bjs? What would be his consideration for signing? He has to train for golovkin without knowing if he’d be fighting golovkin for sure. How much money would it take, would it be worth contracting.

Absolutely spot on. He seems to think a contingency plan should have been in place but can't give a single example of a realistic plan

Mate I quit lol. He can’t comprehend it. Nor will he answer our questions. I mean, if he thinks it’s that easy, he should by all rights be a preeminent boxer manager or promoter which I doubt he is.

He’s also not understanding of the time it takes to prep for a world class opponent. Comes across very naive. No point continuing this,

[Enlightened-One]

You’re applying your own definition to a contingency plan. What you, a layperson not involved in the boxing industry expects to have been done. Perhaps they had tentative plans. Contracts to negotiate. Maybe they did have a contract with the Mexican but the sanctioning bodies didn’t allow it. Perhaps they wanted to gauge public opinion prior to signing a new fighter which is a plan.

Maybe they understand they if they couldn’t get these so and so fighters than it would be better in the long run to have no fight, pushing back the date a month or two. That’s also a plan. A plan to have no fight if this fighter is declined. Do you think every fighter would willingly sign a contract to fight golovkin If Canelo left, would bjs? What would be his consideration for signing? He has to train for golovkin without knowing if he’d be fighting golovkin for sure. How much money would it take, would it be worth contracting.

Absolutely spot on. He seems to think a contingency plan should have been in place but can't give a single example of a realistic plan

I've already provided two examples of a contingency plan that was in place for two other very recent PPV events.

You guys seems to consistently ask questions and demand that I detail and provide facts, but you can only respond with opinions, whilst forgetting that I've already provided examples to illustrate my points.

You guys don't even understand what a contingency plan is, even though you've both been spoon fed its definition.

[lazboy]

This is all opinion/speculation EO. The only one denying that is you.

Also I’m going to bed,

[Enlightened-One]

This is all opinion/speculation EO. The only one denying that is you.

Also I’m going to bed,

This isn't a religious argument where you're claiming I'm unable to prove that the universe wasn't created nor currently ruled by some sort that of divine omnipotent supreme being.

A contingency plan has never existed to cater for GGG's current predicament, because there's no evidence that proves that one was in place prior to Canelo's withdrawal from the Golovkin bout.

Are you seriously asking me to prove the existence of something that I claim does not exist? It's like asking me to provide evidence to prove that Santa Claus, fairies, ghosts, reincarnation and the afterlife don't exist!

[apollo creed]

I don't know how it's called in medical terms that behavior when a person likes to contradict with other people till they give up and don't accept that he is wrong but EO must have it.

[boxing_rocks]

I think they don't want to lose that big payday from a future rematch with Canelo or a BJS unification fight.

Or maybe because you are an idiot?

[ewenhay]

This is all opinion/speculation EO. The only one denying that is you.

Also I’m going to bed,

This isn't a religious argument where you're claiming I'm unable to prove that the universe wasn't created nor currently ruled by some sort that of divine omnipotent supreme being.

A contingency plan has never existed to cater for GGG's current predicament, because there's no evidence that proves that one was in place prior to Canelo's withdrawal from the Golovkin bout.

Are you seriously asking me to prove the existence of something that I claim does not exist? It's like asking me to provide evidence to prove that Santa Claus, fairies, ghosts, reincarnation and the afterlife don't exist!

Which fighter should have been the contingency plan and why?

[ewenhay]

Let's put in in musical terms and see if you understand.

Let's say Golovkin v Canelo is the boxing equivalent of a major Rolling Stones concert. The Rolling Stones are due to play in Vegas on the 5th of May. All the promotion is geared towards the Rolling Stones appearing on that date and the ticket prices are set and sponsors secured on that understanding.

Four weeks before the gig Mick Jagger has a serious case of laryngitis and may be out for months.

What would be a suitable contingency plan for that? Sounding out Britney Spears when you book the Rolling Stones because she happens to be in town and has the night off on the off chance Mick might not be able to perform ? Sounding out Eric Clapton in case Keith Richards gets busted for drugs at La airport?

Your opinion is too simplistic. As we keep telling you there are many factors in play which make a comparable and acceptable contingency plan for Golovkin v Alvarez much more complicated than you seem to think.

[Enlightened-One]

This is all opinion/speculation EO. The only one denying that is you.

Also I’m going to bed,

This isn't a religious argument where you're claiming I'm unable to prove that the universe wasn't created nor currently ruled by some sort that of divine omnipotent supreme being.

A contingency plan has never existed to cater for GGG's current predicament, because there's no evidence that proves that one was in place prior to Canelo's withdrawal from the Golovkin bout.

Are you seriously asking me to prove the existence of something that I claim does not exist? It's like asking me to provide evidence to prove that Santa Claus, fairies, ghosts, reincarnation and the afterlife don't exist!

Which fighter should have been the contingency plan and why?

That doesn't have any relevance to the debate, since you're asking me for an opinion about something that I believe does not exist.

That being said, I believe that there were several world-rated fighters that were either US TV network free agents or fellow HBO stablemates that were already scheduled to compete on or around Cinco De May weekend, but none were contacted.

A contingency plan never existed to cater for GGG's situation though, which means that this is a moot point anyway.

[ewenhay]

This isn't a religious argument where you're claiming I'm unable to prove that the universe wasn't created nor currently ruled by some sort that of divine omnipotent supreme being.

A contingency plan has never existed to cater for GGG's current predicament, because there's no evidence that proves that one was in place prior to Canelo's withdrawal from the Golovkin bout.

Are you seriously asking me to prove the existence of something that I claim does not exist? It's like asking me to provide evidence to prove that Santa Claus, fairies, ghosts, reincarnation and the afterlife don't exist!

Which fighter should have been the contingency plan and why?

That doesn't have any relevance to the debate, since you're asking me for an opinion about something that I believe does not exist.

That being said, I believe that there were several world-rated fighters that were either US TV network free agents or fellow HBO stablemates that were already scheduled to compete on or around Cinco De May weekend, but none were contacted.

A contingency plan never existed to cater for GGG's situation though, which means that this is a moot point anyway.

Who are those fighters and under which conditions do you think they would have accepted being Alverez's understudy just in case......?

[ewenhay]

This isn't a religious argument where you're claiming I'm unable to prove that the universe wasn't created nor currently ruled by some sort that of divine omnipotent supreme being.

A contingency plan has never existed to cater for GGG's current predicament, because there's no evidence that proves that one was in place prior to Canelo's withdrawal from the Golovkin bout.

Are you seriously asking me to prove the existence of something that I claim does not exist? It's like asking me to provide evidence to prove that Santa Claus, fairies, ghosts, reincarnation and the afterlife don't exist!

Which fighter should have been the contingency plan and why?

That doesn't have any relevance to the debate, since you're asking me for an opinion about something that I believe does not exist.

That being said, I believe that there were several world-rated fighters that were either US TV network free agents or fellow HBO stablemates that were already scheduled to compete on or around Cinco De May weekend, but none were contacted.

A contingency plan never existed to cater for GGG's situation though, which means that this is a moot point anyway.

It makes your original point moot. You criticised the Golovkin camp for not having a contingency plan in place. Others have demonstrated that a fight on the scale of Golovkin v Alvarez is extremely difficult and complicated to have a contingency plan in place for. You cannot come up with an example of a comparable and acceptable contingency plan either. Therefore you should maybe accept that your criticism is unjust on this occasion.

[boxing_rocks]

I rarely agree with EO, but Oscar had Spike ready to replace Golovkin, and Hearn had Povetkin ready to replace Parker. That's what good promoters do for their stars. I also think that Loefler is too soft in negotiations and allows DLH to dictate, for example to disallow Golovkin to fight last summer.

Loefler could have Derevo/Langford/Johnson/etc. having a stay busy fight on their undercard.

[ewenhay]

I rarely agree with EO, but Oscar had Spike ready to replace Golovkin, and Hearn had Povetkin ready to replace Parker. That's what good promoters do for their stars. I also think that Loefler is too soft in negotiations and allows DLH to dictate, for example to disallow Golovkin to fight last summer.

Loefler could have Derevo/Langford/Johnson/etc. having a stay busy fight on their undercard.

I agree that the answer if possible is to have the stand in on the undercard. Makes it easy to pay step aside money for the stand in's opponent. Why was Osullivan not on the undercard if he was Golden Boy's stand in for Golovkin?

[punchoutsb]

As much as everyone hates to admit it, boxing is a business and it would be stupid by all parties to put together a big fight so late in the game. They are looking for the easiest fight that will bring in the most revenue. It has nothing to do with heart, courage, or being on the decline. It has everything to do with money.

[SenorPipino]

As much as everyone hates to admit it, boxing is a business and it would be stupid by all parties to put together a big fight so late in the game. They are looking for the easiest fight that will bring in the most revenue. It has nothing to do with heart, courage, or being on the decline. It has everything to do with money.

I have no problem acknowledging that boxing is a business first. Competition second.

Fighters don't risk their lives just to prove they're king of the hill. They do it for the payday.

I agree with everything you said. If a fighter has a mega-bucks mega-bout a few month down the road, he's not going to sabatoge that shot by scheduling a high risk opponent just ahead of it.

Not if his promoter, manager and trainer have an ounce of brains.

[apollo creed]

Bundrage , Mundine or Kirkland would be some safe opponents for GGG to look like a monster.

[Stuarty]

What a stupid fuckin thread