Is Eddie Hearn's offer to Deontay Wilder too generous?

[asdfjkl]

Especially if you keep in mind that the WBC is absolutely not an important belt any more and Wilder continually breaks all kind of WBC rules, or get special treatments from the WBC, you just know that AJ must be nuts to offer him a high payday.

As I said from the start, if Wilder doesn't accept this, it's even more obvious that Wilder doesn't want this fight.

Let's check the WBC rules:
"3.1 Timing of Defenses.
The WBC’s policy is to offer opportunities to boxers to compete for
its titles, and thus the WBC seeks to prevent titles from being frozen due to inactivity by
champions. Therefore, a WBC champion should strive to defend the title in mandatory or
voluntary defenses at least three (3) times a year, unless a written exception or extension is
granted by the WBC in its sole discretion. Therefore, a WBC champion should strive to
defend his title at least every one hundred twenty (120) days unless otherwise permitted by
the WBC in its sole discretion. Upon winning a title, a WBC champion must defend the
title within 90 to 120 days or as otherwise ordered by the WBC, unless otherwise ordered or
permitted by the WBC in its sole discretion"

Well, this doesn't seem to apply for Wilder, he got the belts for well over 3 years now and only had 7 fights, an average of barely 2 a year.


"Qualified Challengers:
Champions shall defend their titles, either in a voluntary or
mandatory defense, against a challenger (each, a “Qualified Challenger”) in one of the
following categories:
(a) any of the top ten (10) rated contenders; or
(b) with the approval of or ratification by a majority of the Board of Governors,
i. any boxer rated 11 to 15;
ii. a champion or a highly-rated boxer of another weight division;
iii. another WBC champion, such as a WBC Diamond or Silver Champion,
Champion Emeritus, or Champion in Recess;
iv. a former world champion or other elite challenger;
v. a champion of another boxing organization recognized by the WBC; or
(c) under special circumstances and with the approval of or ratification by two-third
(2/3rd) of the Board of Governors, a contender not otherwise listed in one or more of
the above categories."

How many top 10 contenders has Wilder fought? Only Stiverne right?

"3.5 Mandatory Defense Obligations.
All WBC champions shall make at least one (1)
mandatory defense per year, unless an exception is granted by the WBC in its sole
discretion. A champion may be required to make more than one mandatory defense per
year, if the WBC has designated more than one mandatory challenger for any reason. No
bout shall be considered a mandatory defense unless expressly approved as mandatory by
the WBC, and made exclusively against an official mandatory challenger designated by the
WBC. A challenger who wins the title inherits the mandatory defense obligations of the
champion he defeated, unless the WBC in its sole discretion otherwise directs."


Except for Stiverne, who absolutely didn't earn it (he would most likely have lost against everyone in the entire top 40 at the moment he became mandatory), who has Wilder had a mandatory fight against in the past 3 years?
Even right now, Stiverne probably only got a chance against Lenroy Thomas (who recently drawed against David Allen, the boxrec rank 12 of the UK).

Long story short, it's ridiculous that Wilder still has this price, and I really don't think that all this ruining of the sport should be rewarded by a 10M+ payday.

7 times in a row special exceptions? Oke, there you go, congratz with your world champ.

[caldo2025]

If Hearn increases the flat fee to $20m and Wilder doesn't accept it then I'd say the fault lies with the American...

Now if Wilder takes the 20m and hops across the pond and defeats AJ, then the money for the rematch will be dispersed a lot differently,

I don’t believe that Anthony Joshua has ever earned more than $20m (or if he has, it wouldn't be much more), so why do you feel that Wilder deserves to receive that sort of amount, considering the American’s average payday is less than $1.4m?

Obviously, if Hearn agreed to a 60-40 split then Wilder would be making much more than $12.5m otherwise, why would he even offer it? $12.5m is obviously on the low end of the possible proceeds so bump it up closer to $20m and I think Wilder would silly not to agree. I'm sure Hearn will squeeze the last bit of jelly out of the jar on this one and have people watching this fight from the ceiling somewhere and pack it to over 110k people.

This fight will make a lot more loot than you are thinking. These are heavyweights here. It's a big difference over MW's or Lightweights. We haven't had a big heavyweight fight like this in 20 + years. It's reported that this fight could be worth $70m. A 60/40 split to Wilder nets him $28m. Call it 20m guaranteed and Wilder's a fool for not signing on the dotted line.

Honestly, without Joshua, there's NO POSSIBLE WAY that Wilder even sniffs an 8 figure fight. Not possible. He'd make $20m and be set for life and if he were to go on and win the fight and the belts, he'd be everywhere in America on TV selling anything he can. We'd love him for it. That I know for a fact...he would not remain unknown.

[caldo2025]

OH and let me add this....at this point, Joshua needs the Wilder fight to happen NOW. You saw how frustrated he was in the ring having to answer the same question again. You saw how the interviewer had to push him and push him to get that quote "knock him the spark out" or whatever he said. It was freaking cool whatever he did say though. Not so cool coming from me but whatever.

AJ now looks like he's ducking Wilder too. Had AJ knocked Parker out and turned the place upside down that night then we wouldn't be talking about this. But he put on a stinker. A horrible god awful fight that many people came to and left unfulfilled. AJ's star power took a hit last fight whether you Brits want to admit or not. It was a horrible night for AJ even though it was a dominate win. He failed to maintain the exuberance. He needs to hit the next one out of the park and into the cheap seats.

[Enlightened-One]

If Hearn increases the flat fee to $20m and Wilder doesn't accept it then I'd say the fault lies with the American...

Now if Wilder takes the 20m and hops across the pond and defeats AJ, then the money for the rematch will be dispersed a lot differently,

I don’t believe that Anthony Joshua has ever earned more than $20m (or if he has, it wouldn't be much more), so why do you feel that Wilder deserves to receive that sort of amount, considering the American’s average payday is less than $1.4m?

Obviously, if Hearn agreed to a 60-40 split then Wilder would be making much more than $12.5m otherwise, why would he even offer it? $12.5m is obviously on the low end of the possible proceeds so bump it up closer to $20m and I think Wilder would silly not to agree...

...It's reported that this fight could be worth $70m. A 60/40 split to Wilder nets him $28m. Call it 20m guaranteed and Wilder's a fool for not signing on the dotted line...

First of all, your $70m estimate for the potential total income the Joshua-Wilder fight is capable of generating is overly-ambitious to the point of being unrealistic. This figure is more than $10m greater than the estimates being conveyed by Eddie Hearn and also many media outlets.

Second, if your estimate is correct and the event really does generate $70m total revenue, then the purse pot would be less than $40m. So if you feel that Wilder deserves to receive $28m, then you’re allowing him to receive at least 70% of this money. That's absurd, since half that figure seem very generous to me!

The total revenue generated by super-fights isn’t solely allocated to the fighters competing in the main event. The purse pot allocated to the headlining fighters would typically be less than 50%, but for a select few marquee events, it could be as much as 58%, such as the Mayweather-Pacquiao super-fight.

This is basic stuff.

[Enlightened-One]

"Anthony Joshua vs Deontay Wilder negotiations set up in New York by promoter Eddie Hearn"

Promoter Eddie Hearn will hold a meeting with Deontay Wilder's team in New York next week as negotiations continue for a fight against Anthony Joshua for all the heavyweight world titles.

Joshua is still waiting to receive a counter offer from WBC king Wilder, who did not accept a reported flat fee of $12.5m for a massive showdown with the British star, the IBF, WBA and WBO belt holder.

But Hearn will head out to America to resume talks with Wilder's backers about the blockbuster bout for the right to become the heavyweight division's undisputed champion.

"We made an offer last week. We haven't heard from them yet," Hearn told Sky Sports News. "There's been a bit of talking behind the scenes.

"We are in New York next week for the Danny Jacobs fight and Katie Taylor unification live on Sky Sports.

"I'm going to look to meet up with them in New York, get face to face with them, look into the whites of their eyes, and just see if we can make a deal. We've made an offer that we feel is substantial, if not we're happy to talk about the numbers and look at their ideas as well."

Joshua could also join Hearn in New York as he is likely to attend Danny Jacobs' bill at the Barclays Center, live on Sky Sports, which also includes his potential opponent Jarrell 'Big Baby' Miller.

The WBA have recently ordered Joshua to defend his WBA 'super' belt against Alexander Povetkin, who could face the unified champion first before the Wilder fight.

"Anthony's made it clear - that's the fight he wants next, the Deontay Wilder fight," said Hearn.

"With these mandatories coming up as well, Povetkin, and the possible IBF mandatory, I've said before there's not many opportunities to make an undisputed fight. Really the focus is for us to make the Deontay Wilder fight next.

"If not, it has to be the one after, and we'll have to deal with a mandatory in the meantime. It could be Alexander Povetkin.

"Generally from AJ's side, from our side, from the team's side, the Wilder fight is one we have no problems with at all. We've just got to find the right deal and we'll be trying to do that next week in New York."

Thoughts?

[Kalan]

its not a bad offer at all, wilder may negotiate for a bit more. if the fights not made this year, it should be by next year. joshua's cleaning the division out anyway, and deontay has done his part with his last fight too.
it wont be a tragedy if they fight next year anyway.

The longer they postpone fighting each other, the bigger the pot will be for each.

Assuming one doesn't get beat before then.

Of course Pacquiao was beaten a few times during his 5 years of negotiations with Mayweather. He was even put to sleep once. That didn't hurt his payday one whit.

But Pacquiao was an international sports icon when he stepped into the ring with Mayweather. Neither Joshua or Wilder have risen to that status.

This is different, as you alluded to. Neither AJ nor Wilder are legends as of yet. One loses, and the fight is meaningless.

It makes no difference if one loses because just about everybody loses.... Klitschko had 4 previous losses v Joshua.....

Pacquiao had 5 previous losses v Mayweather....
Lewis had 2 losses and Tyson had 3 losses when they fought....
Holyfield had 2 previous losses and Tyson had 2 previous losses for their highest grossing fight.
Ali had 3 previous losses for the Holmes fight and that was his highest grossing fight.
Ali had 2 previous losses and Frazier had 2 previous losses for the Manila fight.
Holmes had 3 previous losses for the Holyfield fight...
Foreman had 3 previous losses for the Moorer fight.

Does it matter how young you are when you have a loss?? NO.... Tyson was 23... Losses are the kind of news that attracts attention.... Plus winning all the time is boring... Crawford won again? Yeah, what did you expect?

[Like a Boss]

Refusing to believe a thing I'm reading about Joshua-Wilder, Joshua-Povetkin or Joshua-anybody else, for that matter.

The amount of misinformation being circulated, both officially and unofficially, is truly astonishing.

Negotiations are taking place. That's about all we can be sure of.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Deontay's counter offer is still missing! Someone tape this guy's image to a tree!

[tiny_acres]

Deontay's counter offer is still missing! Someone tape this guy's image to a tree!

According to Hearn they are all meeting Monday in New York to discuss the fight.
It takes time and a face to face is a good sign