Who is the more dangerous for Joshua, Wilder or Fury ?

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 16 Apr 2018, 12:13

Supposing that Fury is fit and healthy, having at least two fights against B/B+ opponents.
Skillset or punching power ? What do you think ?

DrDuke · Post by **DrDuke** » 16 Apr 2018, 12:20

Fury is more dangerous for Joshua's record, Wilder is more dangerous for Joshua's health. Fury is more likely to win, than Wilder. If Fury wins, that will probably be an outboxing of AJ. If Wilder wins, that will probably be AJ getting KTFO cold.

Noxy · Post by **Noxy** » 16 Apr 2018, 12:24

An in-form Fury is a nightmare for anyone to fight. He‘s versatile, quick, awkward, switch hitter. The only thing I’m unsure about now is the new trainer. Maybe he’s good, I just don’t know. I know Peter was good though

Oiky · Post by **Oiky** » 16 Apr 2018, 12:31

Fury by a mile, boxes his head off

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 16 Apr 2018, 12:31

Wilder by a million miles.

Fury won the title in a staring contest, he's not dangerous now...wasn't dangerous then. Wilder OR Joshua would flatten him in one sided fashion.

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 16 Apr 2018, 12:32

Noxy wrote: ↑16 Apr 2018, 12:24 An in-form Fury is a nightmare for anyone to fight. He‘s versatile, quick, awkward, switch hitter. The only thing I’m unsure about now is the new trainer. Maybe he’s good, I just don’t know. I know Peter was good though

He's a nightmare if your plan is to stare at him for 12 rounds. If you're planning to throw punches there's a good chance you'll drop him and hurt him...hell Steve Cunningham did.

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 16 Apr 2018, 13:09

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Apr 2018, 12:32
Noxy wrote: ↑16 Apr 2018, 12:24 An in-form Fury is a nightmare for anyone to fight. He‘s versatile, quick, awkward, switch hitter. The only thing I’m unsure about now is the new trainer. Maybe he’s good, I just don’t know. I know Peter was good though
He's a nightmare if your plan is to stare at him for 12 rounds. If you're planning to throw punches there's a good chance you'll drop him and hurt him...hell Steve Cunningham did.

I sense Groundhog Day with this thread. Once again.

Anyway, Wilder, obviously.

oogiebe · Post by **oogiebe** » 16 Apr 2018, 13:27

DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Apr 2018, 12:20 Fury is more dangerous for Joshua's record, Wilder is more dangerous for Joshua's health. Fury is more likely to win, than Wilder. If Fury wins, that will probably be an outboxing of AJ. If Wilder wins, that will probably be AJ getting KTFO cold.

I believe that is perfectly said.

oogiebe · Post by **oogiebe** » 16 Apr 2018, 13:28

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑16 Apr 2018, 13:09
gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Apr 2018, 12:32
Noxy wrote: ↑16 Apr 2018, 12:24 An in-form Fury is a nightmare for anyone to fight. He‘s versatile, quick, awkward, switch hitter. The only thing I’m unsure about now is the new trainer. Maybe he’s good, I just don’t know. I know Peter was good though
He's a nightmare if your plan is to stare at him for 12 rounds. If you're planning to throw punches there's a good chance you'll drop him and hurt him...hell Steve Cunningham did.
I sense Groundhog Day with this thread. Once again.

Anyway, Wilder, obviously.

Didn't you just say that? lol!

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 16 Apr 2018, 13:34

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Apr 2018, 13:28
Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑16 Apr 2018, 13:09
gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Apr 2018, 12:32

He's a nightmare if your plan is to stare at him for 12 rounds. If you're planning to throw punches there's a good chance you'll drop him and hurt him...hell Steve Cunningham did.
I sense Groundhog Day with this thread. Once again.

Anyway, Wilder, obviously.
Didn't you just say that? lol!

oogiebe · Post by **oogiebe** » 16 Apr 2018, 13:35

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Apr 2018, 13:34
oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Apr 2018, 13:28
Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑16 Apr 2018, 13:09

I sense Groundhog Day with this thread. Once again.

Anyway, Wilder, obviously.
Didn't you just say that? lol!

LMFAO! Exactly!

Badhusker · Post by **Badhusker** » 16 Apr 2018, 19:46

Hearn already admitted he recently told Fury he would get a bigger payday than Wilder, but wouldn't say how much. That alone tells you who he doesn't want AJ to fight. Fury has been off for 2.5 years, ballooned up in weight, borderline nuts, into drugs. Yeah, easy choice.

SenorPipino · Post by **SenorPipino** » 16 Apr 2018, 19:54

Wilder quicker, more athletic, more unpredictable and hits a ton harder than Fury.

Who's more dangerous? Is there really a need for debate?

jamamb · Post by **jamamb** » 16 Apr 2018, 20:34

what do people mean when they say wilders unpredicatble? just curious, because of all the top hws he might rely the most on a specific punch (right cross), and is about as 1-2 heavy as wlad was. .ive seen it a lot, but i think sometimes ppl say unpredictable when they really mean his techniuque is a bit unorthodox

as for this question, i believe they can both give joshua issues, fury with with the consistent movement and great length, and wilder with the general speed+power combo. but i believe wilder is more of a threat in terms of actually winning.

jamamb · Post by **jamamb** » 16 Apr 2018, 20:36

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Apr 2018, 12:31 Wilder by a million miles.

Fury won the title in a staring contest, he's not dangerous now...wasn't dangerous then. Wilder OR Joshua would flatten him in one sided fashion.

what makes you so sure hes that easy? i mean joe parker came with far less credibility as a movement based negative boxer, and joshua didnt come close to easily flattening him.

i think fury has the tools to give trouble, even if he doesnt win

asdfjkl · Post by **asdfjkl** » 16 Apr 2018, 22:03

Fury by a billion miles, too fast, too unpredicteble, he would destroy Wilder even without being touched at all, probably even with one arm.

SenorPipino · Post by **SenorPipino** » 16 Apr 2018, 22:37

jamamb wrote: ↑16 Apr 2018, 20:34 what do people mean when they say wilders unpredicatble? just curious, because of all the top hws he might rely the most on a specific punch (right cross), and is about as 1-2 heavy as wlad was. .ive seen it a lot, but i think sometimes ppl say unpredictable when they really mean his techniuque is a bit unorthodox

as for this question, i believe they can both give joshua issues, fury with with the consistent movement and great length, and wilder with the general speed+power combo. but i believe wilder is more of a threat in terms of actually winning.

Good. Unorthodox is better than unpredictable.

Because of his somewhat unpolished technique, an opponent often has trouble figuring out where Wilder is headed and where he's throwing punches from.

The champ doesn't exactly have classic form so he may throw a punch when he's standing sideways or even bent low at the waist.

So I say that makes him unpredictable. But unorthodox is also a good description.

SenorPipino · Post by **SenorPipino** » 16 Apr 2018, 22:41

asdfjkl wrote: ↑16 Apr 2018, 22:03 Fury by a billion miles, too fast, too unpredicteble, he would destroy Wilder even without being touched at all, probably even with one arm.

I thought the question was who would trouble Joshua more---Wilder or Fury.

Not whether Fury could beat Wilder with just one arm by a billion miles, as you so cutely put it.

Kalan · Post by **Kalan** » 17 Apr 2018, 02:43

Fury may be another Buster Douglas... He's a one and done guy.... He had his signature win and he's resting on it.

Douglas tried to came back after dissipating his body a lot... He didn't have a damned thing left

asdfjkl · Post by **asdfjkl** » 17 Apr 2018, 02:52

SenorPipino wrote: ↑16 Apr 2018, 22:41
asdfjkl wrote: ↑16 Apr 2018, 22:03 Fury by a billion miles, too fast, too unpredicteble, he would destroy Wilder even without being touched at all, probably even with one arm.
I thought the question was who would trouble Joshua more---Wilder or Fury.

Not whether Fury could beat Wilder with just one arm by a billion miles, as you so cutely put it.

I wrote it so people would understand how big of a difference there is between the two. If Tyson Fury fights Breazeale, he considers it as a tune up for the future fights, if Wilder fights him it would be his best opponent in history.

candyslim · Post by **candyslim** » 17 Apr 2018, 03:00

DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Apr 2018, 12:20 Fury is more dangerous for Joshua's record, Wilder is more dangerous for Joshua's health. Fury is more likely to win, than Wilder. If Fury wins, that will probably be an outboxing of AJ. If Wilder wins, that will probably be AJ getting KTFO cold.

That is I believe a perfect summation, based on Tyson at his best. Whether he can achieve that level again remains to be seen.

Ruthless-RKO · Post by **Ruthless-RKO** » 17 Apr 2018, 06:23

Easy.. Wilder.. Definitely more dangerous. Doesn't mean Wilder beats Joshua easier,.

If anyone is going to win easier, it's going to be Fury.

Enlightened-One · Post by **Enlightened-One** » 17 Apr 2018, 07:27

Tyson Fury has the boxing ability, punch variety, engine, size, speed, movement and work-rate to wear down AJ and score a late stoppage.

Anthony Joshua's strengths relate to his physicality and punch power, but he does fatigue and the cumulative effect of Fury's punches could force a late stoppage.

However, the judges seem to favour AJ's boxing style, because I thought he lost quite a few rounds during his bout against Klitschko, but he was somehow comfortably ahead on the scorecards after ten rounds.

Therefore, Tyson Fury is likely to try to score a late stoppage over AJ rather than allow the fight to go to a decision (assuming he can cope with Joshua's punching power).

Deontay Wilder can only implement one strategy AJ, which would be go on the offensive, look to exploit Joshua's lack of head movement and attempt to score an early stoppage. He can't win the fight using any other means.

‘The Bronze Bomber’ definitely has the punching power to end the fight with a single shot, so he’d be considered a live underdog against Anthony Joshua.

If Tyson Fury can somehow regain the form he showed during his rematch against Chisora and also his title-winning efforts against Klitschko… and let’s face it - he’s young enough to do so, then the self-proclaimed “Gypsy King” should be considered as AJ’s biggest threat.

Loki · Post by **Loki** » 17 Apr 2018, 08:35

Depends on how good Fury really is. I can’t take anything from the WK fight as Klitschko wasn’t even present.

It also depends on how Fury comes back like.

At this point, it’s Wilder. But, his only chance of winning is by KO and I expect AJ to beat him easily TBH unless he gets caught.

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 17 Apr 2018, 11:42

Loki wrote: ↑17 Apr 2018, 08:35 Depends on how good Fury really is. I can’t take anything from the WK fight as Klitschko wasn’t even present.

It also depends on how Fury comes back like.

At this point, it’s Wilder. But, his only chance of winning is by KO and I expect AJ to beat him easily TBH unless he gets caught.

Klitschko was present more than ten years, and suddenly against Fury he was not present. Honestly, it is a little bit strange.............
Like Fury or not, everone should admit that he defeated the fighter who had ruled HW division almost a decade.