It should go to the location determined by the promoter that makes the highest purse bid or the proverbial A-side capable of promoting the event to optimise the amount of money that can be generated from staging such an event.
So you okay with Jeddah. I assume they offered big bucks!Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Feb 2018, 10:28It should go to the location determined by the promoter that makes the highest purse bid or the proverbial A-side capable of promoting the event to optimise the amount of money that can be generated from staging such an event.
Usyk and Gassiev deserve to be paid handsomely for their efforts and only an imbecile would attempt to argue that a neutral location is more important than their paydays!
Yes I am. I have been to Saudi Arabia on multiple occasions.Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑08 Feb 2018, 10:30So you okay with Jeddah. I assume they offered big bucks!Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Feb 2018, 10:28It should go to the location determined by the promoter that makes the highest purse bid or the proverbial A-side capable of promoting the event to optimise the amount of money that can be generated from staging such an event.
Usyk and Gassiev deserve to be paid handsomely for their efforts and only an imbecile would attempt to argue that a neutral location is more important than their paydays!
Russia only want it now because Gassiev is in the final. Jeddah was announced back in November I believe. If Russia wanted it so bad, they should have made a bid before.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Feb 2018, 10:36 Yes I am. I have been to Saudi Arabia on multiple occasions.
Usyk and Gassiev should seek to stage the bout at a location that allows themselves to be paid handsomely and also treated according to a pre-determined contractually stipulated set of conditions.
..thanks for clearing it up, Dag..one more detail: the official name of the country is Rossijskaya Federatsiya which means the Federation for/of Rossjyanin and not just for/of Russkij..dagilechia wrote: ↑05 Feb 2018, 10:28Russia has a lot of nationalities so there are 2 terms
Russkij - ethnic Russian, a slav (like Povetkin or Lebedev)
Rossiyanin - citizen of Russia (both slavs, non-slavic muslims, indigenous of Siberia etc, like Gassiev or Provodnikov)
do they embrace him? well, it's like let's say a British or French of African/Arab descent - some embrace them some not, but generally most do
yeah because it is a Federation of Republics and Oblasts - some are mostly made up by ethnic Russians population (the Russkij people) and some not. all Russkij are Rossiyanin too while not every Rossiyanin is a Russkij. commentators in Russia refer to Gassiev as ''Rossijanin Murat Gassiev'' while about Povetkin they rather say ''Russkij boksior Alexandr Povetkin''. Russia's population is made of about 140 million Rossiyane including about 110 million Russkih. ''Russkij'' live mostly in western part of Russia (the Rus, the land of Eastern Slavs, in Russia you have parts of it (like Muscovite Rus or Novgorod Rus) but some of the Rus is outside Russia like Belarus is a White Ruthenia/Rus the ''Bela'' stands for ''the white one'' in most of slavic languages it's similar like white in Polish is Biały and the country of Belarus therefore is called Białoruś - the White Rus/Ruthenia, Kievan Rus and Carpathian Rus are located in Ukraine and so on) some parts of Rus/Ruthenia is also located in eastern Poland. the rest of population the Rossijanins that are not Russkijs live mostly near Caucas and far east (Siberia)greg wrote: ↑08 Feb 2018, 11:58..thanks for clearing it up, Dag..one more detail: the official name of the country is Rossijskaya Federatsiya which means the Federation for/of Rossjyanin and not just for/of Russkij..dagilechia wrote: ↑05 Feb 2018, 10:28Russia has a lot of nationalities so there are 2 terms
Russkij - ethnic Russian, a slav (like Povetkin or Lebedev)
Rossiyanin - citizen of Russia (both slavs, non-slavic muslims, indigenous of Siberia etc, like Gassiev or Provodnikov)
do they embrace him? well, it's like let's say a British or French of African/Arab descent - some embrace them some not, but generally most do
..makes sense to medagilechia wrote: ↑08 Feb 2018, 13:49
yeah because it is a Federation of Republics and Oblasts - some are mostly made up by ethnic Russians population (the Russkij people) and some not. all Russkij are Rossiyanin too while not every Rossiyanin is a Russkij. commentators in Russia refer to Gassiev as ''Rossijanin Murat Gassiev'' while about Povetkin they rather say ''Russkij boksior Alexandr Povetkin''. Russia's population is made of about 140 million Rossiyane including about 110 million Russkih. ''Russkij'' live mostly in western part of Russia (the Rus, the land of Eastern Slavs, in Russia you have parts of it (like Muscovite Rus or Novgorod Rus) but some of the Rus is outside Russia like Belarus is a White Ruthenia/Rus the ''Bela'' stands for ''the white one'' in most of slavic languages it's similar like white in Polish is Biały and the country of Belarus therefore is called Białoruś - the White Rus/Ruthenia, Kievan Rus and Carpathian Rus are located in Ukraine and so on) some parts of Rus/Ruthenia is also located in eastern Poland. the rest of population the Rossijanins that are not Russkijs live mostly near Caucas and far east (Siberia)
we can compare it more or less (it's not really the same but this example could make it easier for some tounderstand) to the UK, all of the population are British, including all English people, but not every British is English
Russia should be compared not with UK, but with former British Empire. Some of Russian "colonies", especially peoples from Finn lingual group) are close to Russians, sharing the same religion and significantly assimilated. Others, specifically muslims from Caucases, never fully accepted Russian rule. Gassiev is from Osetya which is predominantly Russian Orthodox and doesn't have separatist tendencies like Chechnya or Dagestan.greg wrote: ↑08 Feb 2018, 14:02..makes sense to medagilechia wrote: ↑08 Feb 2018, 13:49
yeah because it is a Federation of Republics and Oblasts - some are mostly made up by ethnic Russians population (the Russkij people) and some not. all Russkij are Rossiyanin too while not every Rossiyanin is a Russkij. commentators in Russia refer to Gassiev as ''Rossijanin Murat Gassiev'' while about Povetkin they rather say ''Russkij boksior Alexandr Povetkin''. Russia's population is made of about 140 million Rossiyane including about 110 million Russkih. ''Russkij'' live mostly in western part of Russia (the Rus, the land of Eastern Slavs, in Russia you have parts of it (like Muscovite Rus or Novgorod Rus) but some of the Rus is outside Russia like Belarus is a White Ruthenia/Rus the ''Bela'' stands for ''the white one'' in most of slavic languages it's similar like white in Polish is Biały and the country of Belarus therefore is called Białoruś - the White Rus/Ruthenia, Kievan Rus and Carpathian Rus are located in Ukraine and so on) some parts of Rus/Ruthenia is also located in eastern Poland. the rest of population the Rossijanins that are not Russkijs live mostly near Caucas and far east (Siberia)
we can compare it more or less (it's not really the same but this example could make it easier for some tounderstand) to the UK, all of the population are British, including all English people, but not every British is English
I believe it's that one..Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Apr 2018, 04:42 Has Olkesandr Usyk explained the reason why he doesn’t want to compete in Russia?
• Is it because of Russia’s recent doping scandals?
• Is it due to Ukraine’s recent political and military troubles with Russia?
• Does he not want to compete on Murat Gassiev’s home turf?
It seems to me that an awful lot of fighters are reluctant to compete in Russia.
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑17 Apr 2018, 05:42I believe it's that one..Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Apr 2018, 04:42 Has Olkesandr Usyk explained the reason why he doesn’t want to compete in Russia?
• Is it because of Russia’s recent doping scandals?
• Is it due to Ukraine’s recent political and military troubles with Russia?
• Does he not want to compete on Murat Gassiev’s home turf?
It seems to me that an awful lot of fighters are reluctant to compete in Russia.
Generally:dagilechia wrote: ↑05 Feb 2018, 10:28Russia has a lot of nationalities so there are 2 terms
Russkij - ethnic Russian, a slav (like Povetkin or Lebedev)
Rossiyanin - citizen of Russia (both slavs, non-slavic muslims, indigenous of Siberia etc, like Gassiev or Provodnikov)
do they embrace him? well, it's like let's say a British or French of African/Arab descent - some embrace them some not, but generally most do
- he is "Churka" (insulting)Don't think Usyk would have an issue with fighting in his opponent's home turf as he has done since and including the Glowacki fight..
Gassiev is Christian, btw. Like most Osetians.
Why? The winner can fight Tony Bellew next, it will be huge money fight for UK (Usyk or Gassiev vs Bellew). Even if Bellew loses to Haye, he can still fight Usyk - Gassiev winner. Of course, if he doesn't get completely annihilated by David.
SKY would want to pick that up though. It's on ITV. It can still happen, not saying it can't..Boxing Writer wrote: ↑17 Apr 2018, 07:48Why? The winner can fight Tony Bellew next, it will be huge money fight for UK (Usyk or Gassiev vs Bellew). Even if Bellew loses to Haye, he can still fight Usyk - Gassiev winner. Of course, if he doesn't get completely annihilated by David.
