CANELO back in september ?

[dickbelden]

https://www.BS.com/canelo-alva ... ts--127289

[tiny_acres]

Fukc the WBC
Fukc the commission
Fukc Canelo

[Ruthless-RKO]

6 months ban. Backdated to Feb?

He can announce a fight in that time can't he?

[boxing_rocks]

That was expected. They had to suspend him according to their own rules, but didn't really want to.

[armageto]

What a joke, star power prevails! They just want the rematch to happen in September.

Hopefully G3 says damn this idiot and the money and just goes to unify, then retire next. It won't happen that way, but it would be nice. Canelo's name and legacy took a big L during this whole ordeal, sadly his pockets won't...

[ValMar]

The endless story are going on.............
I am fed up of Canelo, GGG, ODLH, Abel Sanchez...........
I am fed up of MW...........

[SenorPipino]

Well that was a HUGE surprise wasn't it?

Just a routine go through the motions hearing, in which the outcome was pretty much decided way in advance.

Now everyone should be very happy. It's the best of both worlds for those who revile Canelo.

He got his wrist slapped for eating cheap Mexican meat, and the showdown with Golovkin is obviously back on for September 15.

I'm sure it will be officially announced as soon as Golovkin goes about the job of dispatching Vanes.

[boxing_rocks]

The endless story are going on.............
I am fed up of Canelo, GGG, ODLH, Abel Sanchez...........
I am fed up of MW...........

Don't cry. Go watch some curling.

[boxing_rocks]

eating cheap Mexican meat

Nobody really believes that meat was a source of clenbuterol.

[Loki]

This is a fcuking joke. GGG should ignore him, he has beaten him anyway. Deal with Vanes, then brutally KO BJ Saunders and retire.

He will then go down with Hopkins, Monzon and Hagler as the best MWs ever.

[oogiebe]

I'm done with Canelo. Can't reconcile real performance from enhanced performance any longer. No integrity.

[oogiebe]

This is a fcuking joke. GGG should ignore him, he has beaten him anyway. Deal with Vanes, then brutally KO BJ Saunders and retire.

He will then go down with Hopkins, Monzon and Hagler as the best MWs ever.

Monzon! YES!

[Loki]

eating cheap Mexican meat

Nobody really believes that meat was a source of clenbuterol.

Or the next most popular, uncastrated wild boar. Do the commissions, VADA, UKAD think the general public are stupid? The bottom line is unless you’re a natural fighting machine e.g GGG, I would wager most top level boxers cycle, cut or juice.

[Loki]

This is a fcuking joke. GGG should ignore him, he has beaten him anyway. Deal with Vanes, then brutally KO BJ Saunders and retire.

He will then go down with Hopkins, Monzon and Hagler as the best MWs ever.

Monzon! YES!

Probably my favourite fighter; arse of a man but what a fighter. Smoked like a trooper as well....

[oogiebe]

This is a fcuking joke. GGG should ignore him, he has beaten him anyway. Deal with Vanes, then brutally KO BJ Saunders and retire.

He will then go down with Hopkins, Monzon and Hagler as the best MWs ever.

Monzon! YES!

Probably my favourite fighter; arse of a man but what a fighter. Smoked like a trooper as well....

My all time favourite middleweight. And yes...a bad dude.

[Enlightened-One]

There's a few people upset about Canelo only receiving a six month's suspension, but isn't that the typical punishment for Clenbuterol (i.e. Lucas Browne and Erkan Teper)?

I'm not an expert in this subject matter, so I'm genuinely curious. I am not asking a rhetorical question.

[Deleted_Scenes]

There's a few people upset about Canelo only receiving a six month's suspension, but isn't that the typical punishment for Clenbuterol (i.e. Lucas Browne and Erkan Teper)?

I'm not an expert in this subject matter, so I'm genuinely curious. I am not asking a rhetorical question.

It all depends on jurisdiction. Canelo was suspended by NSAC, Browne by the WBA, and Teper by the EBU, so it's difficult to compare.

I'm sure I read somewhere that the minimum NSAC suspension was supposed to be 9 months though. I know in the UK, ped offences generally come with a 2 year ban, but again Canelo wasn't caught under that jurisdiction, so those rules don't apply.

There's no consistency at all.

[SenorPipino]

eating cheap Mexican meat

Nobody really believes that meat was a source of clenbuterol.

Unless I missed it, I don't think that any evidence was provided by anyone that indicates otherwise.

Canelo's drug level dropped from a miniscule 0.6-0.8 ml of clenbuterol on the first sample to an even more infinitesimal .06-.08 3 days later. It was 10 times higher the first time around but still regarded as trace.

Everyone seems to agree that those tiny levels are very consistent with meat contamination. Even the NSAC doesn't argue that. They're just holding firmly to their suddenly enforced rule that any positive test, not matter how miniscule, warrants a suspension.

Apparently the NSAC wants to demonstrate that they don't play favorites after allowing Morales and Vargas to fight with similar low levels.

So they basically suspend him for 6 months.

Fine. Canelo's recuperating from knee surgery anyways but will be good to go for the September rematch.

He'll probably be an even better now that his mobility won't be hampered by a long term aching knee.

So Canelo recuperates during his "suspension" and Superfight II is still just around the corner.

As Chick Hearn used to say "No harm, no foul."

[Drinquor]

Apparently the NSAC wants to demonstrate that they don't play favorites after allowing Morales and Vargas to fight with similar low levels.

Morales case was in New York
Vargas case was in California

[Enlightened-One]

There's a few people upset about Canelo only receiving a six month's suspension, but isn't that the typical punishment for Clenbuterol (i.e. Lucas Browne and Erkan Teper)?

I'm not an expert in this subject matter, so I'm genuinely curious. I am not asking a rhetorical question.

It all depends on jurisdiction. Canelo was suspended by NSAC, Browne by the WBA, and Teper by the EBU, so it's difficult to compare.

I'm sure I read somewhere that the minimum NSAC suspension was supposed to be 9 months though. I know in the UK, ped offences generally come with a 2 year ban, but again Canelo wasn't caught under that jurisdiction, so those rules don't apply.

There's no consistency at all.

I can provide numerous examples where the NSAC have only issued a six months suspension for testing positive for banned substances.

We also know that other fighters that tested positive for Clenbuterol elsewhere were only suspended for six months.

I also believe there's a separate thread created on this forum (a few weeks ago), where multiple posters expected Canelo to only receive a six months ban.

That's why I'm a bit surprised about the reaction to Canelo's punishment.

People seem surprised, shocked and outraged, but I really don't understand the reason why they feel this way.

[Deleted_Scenes]

There's a few people upset about Canelo only receiving a six month's suspension, but isn't that the typical punishment for Clenbuterol (i.e. Lucas Browne and Erkan Teper)?

I'm not an expert in this subject matter, so I'm genuinely curious. I am not asking a rhetorical question.

It all depends on jurisdiction. Canelo was suspended by NSAC, Browne by the WBA, and Teper by the EBU, so it's difficult to compare.

I'm sure I read somewhere that the minimum NSAC suspension was supposed to be 9 months though. I know in the UK, ped offences generally come with a 2 year ban, but again Canelo wasn't caught under that jurisdiction, so those rules don't apply.

There's no consistency at all.

I can provide numerous examples where the NSAC have only issued a six months suspension for testing positive for banned substances.

We also know that other fighters that tested positive for Clenbuterol elsewhere were only suspended for six months.

I also believe there's a separate thread created on this forum (a few weeks ago), where multiple posters expected Canelo to only receive a six months ban.

That's why I'm a bit surprised about the reaction to Canelo's punishment.

People seem surprised, shocked and outraged, but I really don't understand the reason why they feel this way.

I agree it's similar to certain past examples. Whether punishments should be stricter across the board, is another matter.

[boxing_rocks]

eating cheap Mexican meat

Nobody really believes that meat was a source of clenbuterol.

Unless I missed it, I don't think that any evidence was provided by anyone that indicates otherwise.

Canelo's drug level dropped from a miniscule 0.6-0.8 ml of clenbuterol on the first sample to an even more infinitesimal .06-.08 3 days later. It was 10 times higher the first time around but still regarded as trace.

Everyone seems to agree that those tiny levels are very consistent with meat contamination. Even the NSAC doesn't argue that. They're just holding firmly to their suddenly enforced rule that any positive test, not matter how miniscule, warrants a suspension.

Apparently the NSAC wants to demonstrate that they don't play favorites after allowing Morales and Vargas to fight with similar low levels.

So they basically suspend him for 6 months.

Fine. Canelo's recuperating from knee surgery anyways but will be good to go for the September rematch.

He'll probably be an even better now that his mobility won't be hampered by a long term aching knee.

So Canelo recuperates during his "suspension" and Superfight II is still just around the corner.

As Chick Hearn used to say "No harm, no foul."

There is no proof, because Canelo didn't provide a hair sample. If he was really clean, he would have done that and not get suspended at all. Him not being enrolled in WBC Clean Boxing program is another sign of cheating. Changes in his body too.

[oogiebe]

There is no proof, because Canelo didn't provide a hair sample. If he was really clean, he would have done that and not get suspended at all. Him not being enrolled in WBC Clean Boxing program is another sign of cheating. Changes in his body too.

That's why I'm done with him. His entire career is now tarnished. IMHO.

[Enlightened-One]

Nobody really believes that meat was a source of clenbuterol.

Unless I missed it, I don't think that any evidence was provided by anyone that indicates otherwise.

Canelo's drug level dropped from a miniscule 0.6-0.8 ml of clenbuterol on the first sample to an even more infinitesimal .06-.08 3 days later. It was 10 times higher the first time around but still regarded as trace.

Everyone seems to agree that those tiny levels are very consistent with meat contamination. Even the NSAC doesn't argue that. They're just holding firmly to their suddenly enforced rule that any positive test, not matter how miniscule, warrants a suspension.

Apparently the NSAC wants to demonstrate that they don't play favorites after allowing Morales and Vargas to fight with similar low levels.

So they basically suspend him for 6 months.

Fine. Canelo's recuperating from knee surgery anyways but will be good to go for the September rematch.

He'll probably be an even better now that his mobility won't be hampered by a long term aching knee.

So Canelo recuperates during his "suspension" and Superfight II is still just around the corner.

As Chick Hearn used to say "No harm, no foul."

There is no proof, because Canelo didn't provide a hair sample. If he was really clean, he would have done that and not get suspended at all. Him not being enrolled in WBC Clean Boxing program is another sign of cheating. Changes in his body too.

Have you read the WADA code?

Any testing results obtained from hair, nails, oral fluid or other biological material shall not be used to counter Adverse Analytical Findings or Atypical Findings...

Hair samples are supposedly an unreliable barometer to gauge whether an athlete is "clean" or not.

I'm no expert on this, instead I am merely quoting the rules and conveying the scientific explanation that I've read.

I am happy to be proven wrong though, if you can prove otherwise, since I am not a scientist. It isn't my area of expertise.

[oogiebe]

Unless I missed it, I don't think that any evidence was provided by anyone that indicates otherwise.

Canelo's drug level dropped from a miniscule 0.6-0.8 ml of clenbuterol on the first sample to an even more infinitesimal .06-.08 3 days later. It was 10 times higher the first time around but still regarded as trace.

Everyone seems to agree that those tiny levels are very consistent with meat contamination. Even the NSAC doesn't argue that. They're just holding firmly to their suddenly enforced rule that any positive test, not matter how miniscule, warrants a suspension.

Apparently the NSAC wants to demonstrate that they don't play favorites after allowing Morales and Vargas to fight with similar low levels.

So they basically suspend him for 6 months.

Fine. Canelo's recuperating from knee surgery anyways but will be good to go for the September rematch.

He'll probably be an even better now that his mobility won't be hampered by a long term aching knee.

So Canelo recuperates during his "suspension" and Superfight II is still just around the corner.

As Chick Hearn used to say "No harm, no foul."

There is no proof, because Canelo didn't provide a hair sample. If he was really clean, he would have done that and not get suspended at all. Him not being enrolled in WBC Clean Boxing program is another sign of cheating. Changes in his body too.

Have you read the WADA code?

Any testing results obtained from hair, nails, oral fluid or other biological material shall not be used to counter Adverse Analytical Findings or Atypical Findings...

Interesting...so WADA doesn't believe in false positives? or am I reading this incorrectly?