CANELO back in september ?

[lazboy]

https://www.BS.com/vada-canelo ... um=twitter

WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED??!!!!!!!!

VADA welcomes Saul “Canelo” Alvarez back to our program as he prepares for his 5/5/18 rematch against Gennady Golovkin.

This is what VADA's official website states (click on the above hyperlink to access it). Also, use the "Way Back Machine" website to confirm when this was originally posted (i.e. before the article you quoted was published).

The out-of-competition drug testing was definitely administered by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency (VADA) and Dr. Margaret Goodman informed all interested parties of Canelo's infraction using the following letter:


And this resulted in Golden Boy releasing the following statement:

"As part of the voluntary testing program that Canelo Alvarez insisted on ahead of his May 5 fight, one of his results came back positive for trace levels of clenbuterol…”

Mauricio Sulaiman also claims that Canelo has been enrolled in the Clean Boxing Program for "many years."

It seems that Dr. Margaret Goodman's claim is either wrong or VADA's own "official" website, Mauricio Sulaiman, GBP and even her own fũckîng words that she wrote down are incorrect.

Ok I’ve had a quick look at the website. I see that the vada program is drug testing for 8 weeks prior to the fight. As seen in the about section. Do you know if he has ADDITIONAL random testing outside of competition like the clean boxing program claims to do. And when I say outside of competition I mean 365 days a year...not just the 8 weeks. I believe Golovkin is part of this kind of program.

[danconnollyeire]

So Whyte was banned for 2 years for a substance in a drink banned only 2 weeks before he took it and Canelo gets away with it pretty much

[greg]

..I was just wondering..how come you are entitled to a reduced punishment and be called first-time violator if you got caught actually TWICE on different dates..the other thing is "Canello has been cooperative since testing positive"..hasn't he been adamant claiming its contaminated meat? ..What kind of cooperation are we talking about?

[danconnollyeire]

..I was just wondering..how come you are entitled to a reduced punishment and be called first-time violator if you got caught actually TWICE on different dates..the other thing is "Canello has been cooperative since testing positive"..hasn't he been adamant claiming its contaminated meat? ..What kind of cooperation are we talking about?

It's deceiving... he did actual only get caught once. The A and B samples are tested differently and gave results at different dates but it's only one sample they took. So, they took bloody, tested, failed. Tested the exact same blood, failed. So he has only failed once. But he's still a pudendum

[greg]

..I was just wondering..how come you are entitled to a reduced punishment and be called first-time violator if you got caught actually TWICE on different dates..the other thing is "Canello has been cooperative since testing positive"..hasn't he been adamant claiming its contaminated meat? ..What kind of cooperation are we talking about?

It's deceiving... he did actual only get caught once. The A and B samples are tested differently and gave results at different dates but it's only one sample they took. So, they took bloody, tested, failed. Tested the exact same blood, failed. So he has only failed once. But he's still a pudendum

Dan, I AM confused I thought Canelo provided urine samples on Feb. 17 and Feb. 20, and BOTH tests came back positive for trace amounts of clenbuterol..

[Enlightened-One]

WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED??!!!!!!!!

VADA welcomes Saul “Canelo” Alvarez back to our program as he prepares for his 5/5/18 rematch against Gennady Golovkin.

This is what VADA's official website states (click on the above hyperlink to access it). Also, use the "Way Back Machine" website to confirm when this was originally posted (i.e. before the article you quoted was published).

The out-of-competition drug testing was definitely administered by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency (VADA) and Dr. Margaret Goodman informed all interested parties of Canelo's infraction using the following letter:


And this resulted in Golden Boy releasing the following statement:

"As part of the voluntary testing program that Canelo Alvarez insisted on ahead of his May 5 fight, one of his results came back positive for trace levels of clenbuterol…”

Mauricio Sulaiman also claims that Canelo has been enrolled in the Clean Boxing Program for "many years."

It seems that Dr. Margaret Goodman's claim is either wrong or VADA's own "official" website, Mauricio Sulaiman, GBP and even her own fũckîng words that she wrote down are incorrect.

Ok I’ve had a quick look at the website. I see that the vada program is drug testing for 8 weeks prior to the fight. As seen in the about section. Do you know if he has ADDITIONAL random testing outside of competition like the clean boxing program claims to do. And when I say outside of competition I mean 365 days a year...not just the 8 weeks. I believe Golovkin is part of this kind of program.

Canelo tested positive for the banned substance clenbuterol in two out-of-competition drug tests performed in February, which was two months and 18 days from the Cinco de Mayo fight date… or eleven weeks to be precise.

The WBC’s out-of-competition anti-doping protocols only applies to eligible fighters and I don’t think that Canelo met most of that criterion, because: he wasn’t a WBC world champion (as of the 1st January 2018); he had denounced all ties with the WBC and probably wasn’t enrolled in the CBP; and as of the 1st January, 2018, he wasn’t scheduled to engage in one of their world title bouts.

The way the CBP works, is that almost none of the fighters enrolled in that program undergo out-of-competition testing.

[Deleted_Scenes]

..I was just wondering..how come you are entitled to a reduced punishment and be called first-time violator if you got caught actually TWICE on different dates..the other thing is "Canello has been cooperative since testing positive"..hasn't he been adamant claiming its contaminated meat? ..What kind of cooperation are we talking about?

It's deceiving... he did actual only get caught once. The A and B samples are tested differently and gave results at different dates but it's only one sample they took. So, they took bloody, tested, failed. Tested the exact same blood, failed. So he has only failed once. But he's still a pudendum

Dan, I AM confused I thought Canelo provided urine samples on Feb. 17 and Feb. 20, and BOTH tests came back positive for trace amounts of clenbuterol..

Correct. He did provide two samples. It wasn't blood either. It was urine. All this is confirmed in the official VADA letter.

The reason it's only considered one single offence, is that the high amount of clenbuterol present in the Feb 17th sample would take a few days to get out of his system completely, so would still be detectable 3 days later just at a much lower concentration (exactly how they found it).

If Canelo had taken any more clenbuterol in between those dates, the levels on the second test would have been much higher.

[boxing_rocks]

If Canelo had taken any more clenbuterol in between those dates, the levels on the second test would have been much higher.

He would be a complete idiot to take more clenbuterol after testing had started.

[boxing_rocks]

The way the CBP works, is that almost none of the fighters enrolled in that program undergo out-of-competition testing.

That is NOT true. Any boxer in CBP can be tested any day. The problem is that the program is underfunded, so SOME boxers are not getting tested.

Some boxers like Donaire do voluntary VADA testing they pay for themselves (about $20K a year), and that testing is truly year around. If Canelo wants to prove that he is (or at least became) a clean boxer, he should enroll in that program.

[boxing_rocks]

Ok I’ve had a quick look at the website. I see that the vada program is drug testing for 8 weeks prior to the fight. As seen in the about section. Do you know if he has ADDITIONAL random testing outside of competition like the clean boxing program claims to do. And when I say outside of competition I mean 365 days a year...not just the 8 weeks. I believe Golovkin is part of this kind of program.

VADA testing usually starts after a fight is officially announced.

[danconnollyeire]

It's deceiving... he did actual only get caught once. The A and B samples are tested differently and gave results at different dates but it's only one sample they took. So, they took bloody, tested, failed. Tested the exact same blood, failed. So he has only failed once. But he's still a pudendum

Dan, I AM confused I thought Canelo provided urine samples on Feb. 17 and Feb. 20, and BOTH tests came back positive for trace amounts of clenbuterol..

Correct. He did provide two samples. It wasn't blood either. It was urine. All this is confirmed in the official VADA letter.

The reason it's only considered one single offence, is that the high amount of clenbuterol present in the Feb 17th sample would take a few days to get out of his system completely, so would still be detectable 3 days later just at a much lower concentration (exactly how they found it).

If Canelo had taken any more clenbuterol in between those dates, the levels on the second test would have been much higher.

My bad, I heard differently. Either way, doing a drugs test 2 days apart isn't really failing twice, not like he was juicing in between. Still one failed drugs test

[greg]

Dan, I AM confused I thought Canelo provided urine samples on Feb. 17 and Feb. 20, and BOTH tests came back positive for trace amounts of clenbuterol..

Correct. He did provide two samples. It wasn't blood either. It was urine. All this is confirmed in the official VADA letter.

The reason it's only considered one single offence, is that the high amount of clenbuterol present in the Feb 17th sample would take a few days to get out of his system completely, so would still be detectable 3 days later just at a much lower concentration (exactly how they found it).

If Canelo had taken any more clenbuterol in between those dates, the levels on the second test would have been much higher.

My bad, I heard differently. Either way, doing a drugs test 2 days apart isn't really failing twice, not like he was juicing in between. Still one failed drugs test

ok, fair enough..

[Enlightened-One]

The way the CBP works, is that almost none of the fighters enrolled in that program undergo out-of-competition testing.

That is NOT true. Any boxer in CBP can be tested any day. The problem is that the program is underfunded, so SOME boxers are not getting tested.

Some boxers like Donaire do voluntary VADA testing they pay for themselves (about $20K a year), and that testing is truly year around. If Canelo wants to prove that he is (or at least became) a clean boxer, he should enroll in that program.

It is true. Have you read the rules?

Read section I of the following pdf:
“WBC Clean Boxing Program (CBP) Testing and Results Management Guidelines”

The WBC admit that only 28 fighters were tested out-of-competition for the first three months of 2017, which is their typical volume and most were former or current world champions.

Do you intentionally use reverse psychology, whereby you refute a claim for the sole reason to goad someone into providing evidence that you can’t be ārsĕd to ascertain for yourself?

If so, it works!

[BitPlayer]

The way the CBP works, is that almost none of the fighters enrolled in that program undergo out-of-competition testing.

That is NOT true. Any boxer in CBP can be tested any day. The problem is that the program is underfunded, so SOME boxers are not getting tested.

Some boxers like Donaire do voluntary VADA testing they pay for themselves (about $20K a year), and that testing is truly year around. If Canelo wants to prove that he is (or at least became) a clean boxer, he should enroll in that program.

It is true. Have you read the rules?

Read section I of the following pdf:
“WBC Clean Boxing Program (CBP) Testing and Results Management Guidelines”

The WBC admit that only 28 fighters were tested out-of-competition for the first three months of 2017, which is their typical volume and most were former or current world champions.

Do you intentionally use reverse psychology, whereby you refute a claim for the sole reason to goad someone into providing evidence that you can’t be ārsĕd to ascertain for yourself?

If so, it works!

The best way to find something out isn't to ask, but to post a wrong answer.

[Deleted_Scenes]

The way the CBP works, is that almost none of the fighters enrolled in that program undergo out-of-competition testing.

That is NOT true. Any boxer in CBP can be tested any day. The problem is that the program is underfunded, so SOME boxers are not getting tested.

Some boxers like Donaire do voluntary VADA testing they pay for themselves (about $20K a year), and that testing is truly year around. If Canelo wants to prove that he is (or at least became) a clean boxer, he should enroll in that program.

It is true. Have you read the rules?

Read section I of the following pdf:
“WBC Clean Boxing Program (CBP) Testing and Results Management Guidelines”

The WBC admit that only 28 fighters were tested out-of-competition for the first three months of 2017, which is their typical volume and most were former or current world champions.

Do you intentionally use reverse psychology, whereby you refute a claim for the sole reason to goad someone into providing evidence that you can’t be ārsĕd to ascertain for yourself?

If so, it works!

Aren't you both saying the same thing?

A. Any boxer in CBP CAN be tested any time.

B. It doesn't actually happen. Because money.

Struggling to see the disagreement here...

[boxing_rocks]

The way the CBP works, is that almost none of the fighters enrolled in that program undergo out-of-competition testing.

That is NOT true. Any boxer in CBP can be tested any day. The problem is that the program is underfunded, so SOME boxers are not getting tested.

Some boxers like Donaire do voluntary VADA testing they pay for themselves (about $20K a year), and that testing is truly year around. If Canelo wants to prove that he is (or at least became) a clean boxer, he should enroll in that program.

It is true. Have you read the rules?

Read section I of the following pdf:
“WBC Clean Boxing Program (CBP) Testing and Results Management Guidelines”

The WBC admit that only 28 fighters were tested out-of-competition for the first three months of 2017, which is their typical volume and most were former or current world champions.

Do you intentionally use reverse psychology, whereby you refute a claim for the sole reason to goad someone into providing evidence that you can’t be ārsĕd to ascertain for yourself?

If so, it works!

You are WRONG. Any boxer in the program CAN be tested any day. That is an intent of the program. Your link does NOT disprove that. It is a lack of financing which causes some boxers not being tested.

[danconnollyeire]

Correct. He did provide two samples. It wasn't blood either. It was urine. All this is confirmed in the official VADA letter.

The reason it's only considered one single offence, is that the high amount of clenbuterol present in the Feb 17th sample would take a few days to get out of his system completely, so would still be detectable 3 days later just at a much lower concentration (exactly how they found it).

If Canelo had taken any more clenbuterol in between those dates, the levels on the second test would have been much higher.

My bad, I heard differently. Either way, doing a drugs test 2 days apart isn't really failing twice, not like he was juicing in between. Still one failed drugs test

ok, fair enough..

Don't get me wrong though... once... 100 x... ban the bastard for life

[Enlightened-One]

That is NOT true. Any boxer in CBP can be tested any day. The problem is that the program is underfunded, so SOME boxers are not getting tested.

Some boxers like Donaire do voluntary VADA testing they pay for themselves (about $20K a year), and that testing is truly year around. If Canelo wants to prove that he is (or at least became) a clean boxer, he should enroll in that program.

It is true. Have you read the rules?

Read section I of the following pdf:
“WBC Clean Boxing Program (CBP) Testing and Results Management Guidelines”

The WBC admit that only 28 fighters were tested out-of-competition for the first three months of 2017, which is their typical volume and most were former or current world champions.

Do you intentionally use reverse psychology, whereby you refute a claim for the sole reason to goad someone into providing evidence that you can’t be ārsĕd to ascertain for yourself?

If so, it works!

Aren't you both saying the same thing?

A. Any boxer in CBP CAN be tested any time.

B. It doesn't actually happen. Because money.

Struggling to see the disagreement here...

Nope. Read the rules about eligibility.

Very few fighters are tested out-of-competition by the CBP.

[Enlightened-One]

That is NOT true. Any boxer in CBP can be tested any day. The problem is that the program is underfunded, so SOME boxers are not getting tested.

Some boxers like Donaire do voluntary VADA testing they pay for themselves (about $20K a year), and that testing is truly year around. If Canelo wants to prove that he is (or at least became) a clean boxer, he should enroll in that program.

It is true. Have you read the rules?

Read section I of the following pdf:
“WBC Clean Boxing Program (CBP) Testing and Results Management Guidelines”

The WBC admit that only 28 fighters were tested out-of-competition for the first three months of 2017, which is their typical volume and most were former or current world champions.

Do you intentionally use reverse psychology, whereby you refute a claim for the sole reason to goad someone into providing evidence that you can’t be ārsĕd to ascertain for yourself?

If so, it works!

You are WRONG. Any boxer in the program CAN be tested any day. That is an intent of the program. Your link does NOT disprove that. It is a lack of financing which causes some boxers not being tested.

'You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink...

A fighter can voluntarily pay for themselves to be tested, even if they weren't enrolled in the CBP. However, for the WBC to impose and also fund it, the fighters have to meet certain conditions.

I've spoon fed you the info. but you won't read it.

[Deleted_Scenes]

It is true. Have you read the rules?

Read section I of the following pdf:
“WBC Clean Boxing Program (CBP) Testing and Results Management Guidelines”

The WBC admit that only 28 fighters were tested out-of-competition for the first three months of 2017, which is their typical volume and most were former or current world champions.

Do you intentionally use reverse psychology, whereby you refute a claim for the sole reason to goad someone into providing evidence that you can’t be ārsĕd to ascertain for yourself?

If so, it works!

Aren't you both saying the same thing?

A. Any boxer in CBP CAN be tested any time.

B. It doesn't actually happen. Because money.

Struggling to see the disagreement here...

Nope. Read the rules about eligibility.

Very few fighters are tested out-of-competition by the CBP.

That's exactly what the link says.

Any fighter with a ranking at the beginning of the year, or any fighter who gains a ranking throughout the year CAN be tested. In or out of competition.

Nobody is claiming the testing actually happens.

[Enlightened-One]

Aren't you both saying the same thing?

A. Any boxer in CBP CAN be tested any time.

B. It doesn't actually happen. Because money.

Struggling to see the disagreement here...

Nope. Read the rules about eligibility.

Very few fighters are tested out-of-competition by the CBP.

That's exactly what the link says.

Any fighter with a ranking at the beginning of the year, or any fighter who gains a ranking throughout the year CAN be tested. In or out of competition.

Nobody is claiming the testing actually happens.

More fighters are enrolled in the CBP than those that meet the eligibility criterion.

In terms of those that are deemed eligible though, you're right... it's probably underfunded, so testing rarely takes places.

I know I'm a pedant, but it is wrong for others to say that ANY fighter CAN be tested (unless they pay for it out of their own pocket).. However it would be correct to say that those fighters that are eligible MAY be tested out-of-competition.

I guess the WBC impose eligibility criterion, because testing is so expensive.

[boxing_rocks]

[lazboy]

Ok I’ve had a quick look at the website. I see that the vada program is drug testing for 8 weeks prior to the fight. As seen in the about section. Do you know if he has ADDITIONAL random testing outside of competition like the clean boxing program claims to do. And when I say outside of competition I mean 365 days a year...not just the 8 weeks. I believe Golovkin is part of this kind of program.

VADA testing usually starts after a fight is officially announced.

Ok that makes sense. I read the 8 week thing on the website, EO pointed out is was 11 weeks when he got caught. Maybe 8 weeks is just a general guide but they can start as soon as fight is announced...I assume this is why Canelo was caught unawares. Thinking he had a few more weeks to use peds.

Pretty certain there are a variety of Vada programs. There’s the one with the 8 week or fight announcement testing. Then the one coupled with the clean boxing program which is meant to be ‘anytime’ regardless of a fight being scheduled. Got my info from
http://www.boxingnews24.com/2017/02/ove ... ogram/amp/

So it seems that Canelo could Volunteer to be in the out of competition testing see rule no. 4.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

https://www.BS.com/vada-canelo ... um=twitter

WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED??!!!!!!!!

More reason to dislike this bastard

- I see Teensy has found his peer level in grazing mastication with his weensy nanogram IQ Boxing Experts gnashing snaggletooth gums over nanutiae trace results of a legal substance in the food chain, now measured in the billionths by BALCO Vic and TUE Tygart and other such nugatory ne'er do wells. 

One billionth of your collective fetid carcasses could comfortably breed in the void of an All About Billions Bonehead ass hair follicle, regularly bathed in fecal nourishment for your perpetuity. Even get in a taste of money whenever he peels off a C-note from his roll for a good swipe, yum!

With the cankerous growth of the newest darlings of ABC Orgs fleecing fighters and the public to pad their bank balances, I figure it won't be long before the Big Four are absorbed into the WADA superduper champions of all time vs VADA superduper champions of all time, your nocturnal dreams come true! Pull out your picogram weenies to dicker over yoctograms and squeegiegrams vs scoopsiepoopsiegrams.

Ah so, Joe, & truth be stranger than fiction in this new age of Any Boxing Fan Can. Indubitably 
Dante's divine sublime comedy shall be staged in the finest depravity of your kind!

[tiny_acres]

Another cheat who will be defended until death by nuthuggers.
I'm getting tired of ped topics. We have too many internet experts