Joshua vs. Wilder, the fair percent (without the rematch clause) ?

[Heretic]

I do find it sad that a gentleman like Joshua, who treats opponents with respect, is quietly confident and believes in walking the walk, is considered boring by so many who prefer the loudmouth braggart who never tires of telling us how great he is.

Cultural differences I guess

You can’t please everyone all of the time.

The thing is… Deontay’s alleged “exciting” demeanour hasn’t translated in commercial success, popularity in his homeland or decent paydays.

His trash-talking simply isn’t working.

Well said

[tiny_acres]

Both fighters were equal draws in those fights... Foreman was the undefeated Heavyweight Champion... Ali was the twice defeated challenger... (Deontay is already as old as Ali was for the Foreman fight) ... Joshua will be doing 90% of the draw for Joshua-Wilder... Wilder will be making 10 X what he ever made... Joshua might double what he ever made... You can't give Wilder a split... Offer him a flat fee... 70% of Brits will be watching... 5% of Americans will watch.

The largest British boxing ppv in history was
1.2 million buys.
Conservative figures would put a minimum
1 million USA Ppv buys for this fight.
And American ppv cost a hell of a lot more than they do in Britain.
This fight is not as easy to base percentage off of as most fights. Regardless of what the majority thinks.

you have no clue if you think 1m us ppvs is conservative for this, wilders biggest number on showtime is barely 1m, let alone getting that many on ppv, neither guy has even been on ppv in the us, and thats because they arent superstars there

mate you really are way off with this stuff, before you were claiming theyd have like 140m dollars to split, which would be 100m more then any total split for an aj fight, and like 137m more then any wilder fight

way inflated numbers

Please read my previous posts.
I quoted Hearn on estimates and even said I do not believe his figures.
I do honestly believe this fight will do
80 million .
I've not changed my mind and I'll stick to my prediction until after the fight

[jamamb]

read the last post on the last page, hearn just stated very clearly that right now its a 40-50m fight

and 1m us ppvs as conservative estimate is crazy, neither guy is a ppv fighter in the us and on showtime they barely average 1m put together

[tiny_acres]

read the last post on the last page, hearn just stated very clearly that right now its a 40-50m fight

and 1m us ppvs as conservative estimate is crazy, neither guy is a ppv fighter in the us and on showtime they barely average 1m put together

Hearn changes his numbers all the time.
And you could be right on less ppv numbers.
But I will stick to my prediction.

[Ambling Alp II]

When is the fight scheduled to take place?

[tiny_acres]

When is the fight scheduled to take place?

Hearn will be in New York Monday to discuss the fight with Wilders team face to face.

[Kalan]

Hearn is proactive.... He's not waiting around for somebody else to make an offer... He wants to get the fight done.

You have to do Joshua-Wilder 1 if you want to do a rematch... The whole team around Wilder is stuck in the mud.

[oogiebe]

When is the fight scheduled to take place?

Hearn will be in New York Monday to discuss the fight with Wilders team face to face.

I'll believe it when I see it on a poster by the Barclay Center.

[tiny_acres]

Hearn is proactive.... He's not waiting around for somebody else to make an offer... He wants to get the fight done.

You have to do Joshua-Wilder 1 if you want to do a rematch... The whole team around Wilder is stuck in the mud.

Honestly wilder is one of the worst managed boxers on the planet.
He's a human highlight reel who loves the media attention.
If he had proper management he'd be bankin

[oogiebe]

Hearn is proactive.... He's not waiting around for somebody else to make an offer... He wants to get the fight done.

You have to do Joshua-Wilder 1 if you want to do a rematch... The whole team around Wilder is stuck in the mud.

Honestly wilder is one of the worst managed boxers on the planet.
He's a human highlight reel who loves the media attention.
If he had proper management he'd be bankin

There is no doubt in my mind that you are correct, plus the fact that he is the most exciting HW out there. His team sucks.

[tiny_acres]

Hearn is proactive.... He's not waiting around for somebody else to make an offer... He wants to get the fight done.

You have to do Joshua-Wilder 1 if you want to do a rematch... The whole team around Wilder is stuck in the mud.

Honestly wilder is one of the worst managed boxers on the planet.
He's a human highlight reel who loves the media attention.
If he had proper management he'd be bankin

There is no doubt in my mind that you are correct, plus the fact that he is the most exciting HW out there. His team sucks.

Come on bro there's not much we don't agree on

[Badhusker]

Hearn is proactive.... He's not waiting around for somebody else to make an offer... He wants to get the fight done.

You have to do Joshua-Wilder 1 if you want to do a rematch... The whole team around Wilder is stuck in the mud.

[candyslim]

Yeah but Hearn's a lying cheating sack o'shit. Next he'll be telling us that the streets of London aren't paved in gold, you just can't believe a word he says.

Now Deontay's always been about legacy, money don't matter, that's why he's earned so liitle of it (for a HC of the W) Don't you all remember how he hounded Klitschko for years demanding first a shot at his title then more recently a unification? You don't? ... really? ... sure you do !

[Kalan]

Hearn is not a liar.... He's an honorable guy true to his word... He has an offer out to Wilder for a flat fee of 12 million... I'm sure he would offer them 15 if he needed to... You don't put offers like that out there if you don't want the fight.

[candyslim]

Irony not your strong suit then Kalan

[KiwiRider]

Yeah but Hearn's a lying cheating sack o'poo. Next he'll be telling us that the streets of London aren't paved in gold, you just can't believe a word he says.

Now Deontay's always been about legacy, money don't matter, that's why he's earned so liitle of it (for a HC of the W) Don't you all remember how he hounded Klitschko for years demanding first a shot at his title then more recently a unification? You don't? ... really? ... sure you do !

Nice post, I totally disagree with every single statement enclosed.

I only wish you could have dug a little deeper to have more for me to disagree with

HW champ of the world-nope
Legacy-
Money don't matter- not when you earn peanuts
Hounding Klitschko- tumble weeds and a tap dripping could be heard when Wilder was asked about fighting Wlad

[Boxing Writer]

Hearn is proactive.... He's not waiting around for somebody else to make an offer... He wants to get the fight done.

You have to do Joshua-Wilder 1 if you want to do a rematch... The whole team around Wilder is stuck in the mud.

Honestly wilder is one of the worst managed boxers on the planet.
He's a human highlight reel who loves the media attention.
If he had proper management he'd be bankin

I agree. DiBella is awful promoter. Wilder is exciting (and vulnerable) fighter that can talk trash. If he was promoted well, he would have been much bigger star in USA.

[tiny_acres]

Hearn is proactive.... He's not waiting around for somebody else to make an offer... He wants to get the fight done.

You have to do Joshua-Wilder 1 if you want to do a rematch... The whole team around Wilder is stuck in the mud.

Honestly wilder is one of the worst managed boxers on the planet.
He's a human highlight reel who loves the media attention.
If he had proper management he'd be bankin

I agree. DiBella is awful promoter. Wilder is exciting (and vulnerable) fighter that can talk trash. If he was promoted well, he would have been much bigger star in USA.

Honestly any decent promoter would have made him a household name.
You described him perfectly.

[candyslim]

I wonder if Deontay ever looks at Joshua and wishes he were British (purely for boxing reasons, don't get me wrong). I'm sure he has the attributes that could have made him a mega-star over here, there again he'd have had to fight. I don't think the fans in the UK would stand for his many years of fighting cab-drivers.

Maybe that's the explanation as to why his compatriots show him so little love.

[HeavyHitters]

I wonder if Deontay ever looks at Joshua and wishes he were British (purely for boxing reasons, don't get me wrong). I'm sure he has the attributes that could have made him a mega-star over here, there again he'd have had to fight. I don't think the fans in the UK would stand for his many years of fighting cab-drivers.

Maybe that's the explanation as to why his compatriots show him so little love.

Nah.... I think it's mainly because American sports media doesn't cover boxing as much as it has in the past. You barely hear a "bleep" about any fights on ESPN, or FOX Sports, unless it's a huge mega-fight ( or a fight card they are putting on themselves ). Also, the decline of "free boxing" shows in the USA over the years hasn't helped the sport much either.

Back when "Tuesday Night Fights" was on the USA Network, along with CBS and ABC having Saturday afternoon fights, many heavyweights were able to showcase their wares to the masses. Heavyweights like Tommy Morrison, Jeremy Williams, Riddick Bowe, Alex Garcia, the Larry Holmes comeback, Lionel Butler, Jimmy Thunder, Bruce Seldon, Larry Donald all were able to display their talents on a national platform.

If Deontay would have been on a show like "Tuesday Night Fights" every 2 months while he was up-and-coming, his name would be much better known thru out the sports fan across America.

And I'm sure Deonaty's insistence on yelling out the ridiculous "BOMB SQUAD" at the end of every interview, doesn't help his case too much either. I'm sure his abrasive personality can turn off some potential sports fans.

[candyslim]

Yeah I totally get it that boxing is in decline in the US, MMA on the rise that kind of thing, but I'm sure if Mike Tyson had come along today, Uncle Sam would have sat up and took notice. (Maybe I'm wrong, it's twenty odd years since I was in the US).

Any fighter who can compete at the top of the heavyweight division, never mind being one of the major players, has my respect and admiration and Deontay is no exception, but I have very mixed feelings about him.

You mention his yelling "Bomb Squad" all the time. It is very juvenile and I can see how it might alienate some people, but some appear to like it. I prefer the modest and gentlemanly way that Joshua carries himself, but the brash, trash-talking type doesn't bother me provided the guy doing it can - and does - back it up. I've no problem with Jarrell Miller shooting his mouth off, he is busy fighting guys around him in the rankings. Wilder has a good resume if he were just another top contender, but a world champion is expected to face the best around and with the exception of Ortiz, Wilder has not done much of that these past 3 years, and his opposition has been unimpressive as long as he's been a pro.

His management team seem to be complete shite. The way he's been promoted is abysmal, and it doesn't seem like they trust him to beat quality opposition (although I was hopeful that might change after him having seen off Ortiz). Take the latest situation: Hearn has offered US$ 12,5m which is probably close to what Deontay has earned in his career so far all added together. Team Wilder know Joshua has 30 days to come to terms with Povetkin's people, but there doesn't seem to be any urgency on their part to respond to that offer. I'm hoping that is because they are meeting Hearn in NY tomorrow and would rather sort it out face to face, rather than them not really wanting the fight, just the publicity that attaches to verbally trashing Joshua.

[Badhusker]

Team Wilder sent a 50 million$ offer to team Joshua. We'll see who wants to fight now and who doesn't.
Read it on BS.

[actjac]

Yeah I totally get it that boxing is in decline in the US, MMA on the rise that kind of thing, but I'm sure if Mike Tyson had come along today, Uncle Sam would have sat up and took notice. (Maybe I'm wrong, it's twenty odd years since I was in the US).

Any fighter who can compete at the top of the heavyweight division, never mind being one of the major players, has my respect and admiration and Deontay is no exception, but I have very mixed feelings about him.

You mention his yelling "Bomb Squad" all the time. It is very juvenile and I can see how it might alienate some people, but some appear to like it. I prefer the modest and gentlemanly way that Joshua carries himself, but the brash, trash-talking type doesn't bother me provided the guy doing it can - and does - back it up. I've no problem with Jarrell Miller shooting his mouth off, he is busy fighting guys around him in the rankings. Wilder has a good resume if he were just another top contender, but a world champion is expected to face the best around and with the exception of Ortiz, Wilder has not done much of that these past 3 years, and his opposition has been unimpressive as long as he's been a pro.

His management team seem to be complete shite. The way he's been promoted is abysmal, and it doesn't seem like they trust him to beat quality opposition (although I was hopeful that might change after him having seen off Ortiz). Take the latest situation: Hearn has offered US$ 12,5m which is probably close to what Deontay has earned in his career so far all added together. Team Wilder know Joshua has 30 days to come to terms with Povetkin's people, but there doesn't seem to be any urgency on their part to respond to that offer. I'm hoping that is because they are meeting Hearn in NY tomorrow and would rather sort it out face to face, rather than them not really wanting the fight, just the publicity that attaches to verbally trashing Joshua.

Soooooo.. . . . .what was it that you were saying?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshkatzow ... af68cf5d9a

[Bard of Boxrec]

Team Wilder sent a 50 million$ offer to team Joshua. We'll see who wants to fight now and who doesn't.
Read it on BS.

Any word on where are they going to get $50 million from?

[Wales]

This is ridiculous. . . .Ali vs Frazier was 50/50. . . .Ali vs Foreman was 50/50. . . .Cooney vs Holmes was 50/50. . .

Both fighters were equal draws in those fights... Foreman was the undefeated Heavyweight Champion... Ali was the twice defeated challenger... (Deontay is already as old as Ali was for the Foreman fight) ... Joshua will be doing 90% of the draw for Joshua-Wilder... Wilder will be making 10 X what he ever made... Joshua might double what he ever made... You can't give Wilder a split... Offer him a flat fee... 70% of Brits will be watching... 5% of Americans will watch.

The largest British boxing ppv in history was
1.2 million buys.
Conservative figures would put a minimum
1 million USA Ppv buys for this fight.
And American ppv cost a hell of a lot more than they do in Britain.
This fight is not as easy to base percentage off of as most fights. Regardless of what the majority thinks.

Aj Wlad did 1.5m