10th round of Jezzamundo's dream heavyweight tournament

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 22 Apr 2006, 03:36

Results from the 9th round are:

Ali UD12 Lewis
Louis UD12 Frazier
Holmes UD12 Marciano
Foreman KO7 Tyson

So the points table reads:

1. Ali 815 points (9-0-0, 2 ko)
2. Louis 805 points (8-1-0, 6 ko)
3. Holmes 655 points (6-2-0, 3 ko)
4. Foreman 550 points (5-3-1, 5 ko)
5. Lewis 280 points (3-6-0, 1 ko)
6. Marciano 245 points (1-7-1, 1 ko)
7. Frazier 140 points (1-8-0, 0 ko)
8. Tyson 110 points (1-8-0, 1 ko)

The next round of fights are:

Ali vs Frazier II (Ali won 1st fight UD12)
Louis vs Marciano II (Louis won 1st fight TKO9)
Holmes vs Foreman II (Holmes won 1st fight TKO11)
Lewis vs Tyson II (Lewis won 1st fight KO9)

Remember, this is a premier league style event and not a knockout competition. Once all fighters have fought each other twice the tournament is over and the fighter with the most points is the ultimate champion! Fights are 12 rounds, not 15, and fighters use 10 ounce gloves (not that I think that would make a real difference to any of the fights). For those who didn't read the first topic, these are 7 of my top 8 all-time heavies, I rate Tyson 12th from memory, but I found him just too interesting a fighter to leave out. The points system is as such:
KO win = 100 points
TKO win = 100 points
UD win = 90 points
MD win = 75 points
SD win = 60 points
Draw = 50 points
SD loss = 40 points
MD loss = 25 points
UD loss = 10 points
TKO loss = 0 points
KO loss = 0 points

adspath · Post by **adspath** » 22 Apr 2006, 04:33

how do you do this?

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 22 Apr 2006, 06:06

how do you do this?

How do you vote for the results of the fights you mean? Just check back on the previous rounds and you will see how everyone else has put in their votes.

Obviously the fights for this, the 10th round of the tournament are:

Ali vs Frazier II (Ali won 1st fight UD12)
Louis vs Marciano II (Louis won 1st fight TKO9)
Holmes vs Foreman II (Holmes won 1st fight TKO11)
Lewis vs Tyson II (Lewis won 1st fight KO9)

So the minimum you need to do for your vote to count is for example:

Frazier UD12 Ali
Marciano KO7 Louis
Holmes TKO11 Foreman
Lewis KO8 Tyson

Hope that clears things up

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 22 Apr 2006, 09:17

1. Ali 815 points (9-0-0, 2 ko)
2. Louis 805 points (8-1-0, 6 ko)
3. Holmes 655 points (6-2-0, 3 ko)
4. Foreman 550 points (5-3-1, 5 ko)
5. Lewis 280 points (3-6-0, 1 ko)
6. Marciano 245 points (1-7-1, 1 ko)
7. Frazier 140 points (1-8-0, 0 ko)
8. Tyson 110 points (1-8-0, 1 ko)

this board is against the swarmers, ive noticed that in the 1 year i been posting here.

i cant believe lennox is so high

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 22 Apr 2006, 09:18

tyson KO 2 lennox lewis
holmes TKO 12 foreman
Louis TKO 7 marciano
Ali 15 unanimous frazier

JAHamilton77 · Post by **JAHamilton77** » 22 Apr 2006, 10:51

Frazier UD12 Ali
Louis UD12 Marciano
Foreman MD12 Holmes
Lewis UD12 Tyson

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 22 Apr 2006, 23:32

Frazier UD12 Ali (I think a prime Frazier has the perfect style to beat Ali, as he proved in their first fight)

Marciano KO7 Louis (Obviously far closer than their actual encounter, but Marciano is awesome in rematches. I see Louis winning most of the rounds until Marciano knocks him down in the 6th with an overhand right, and never lets him recover).

Holmes UD12 Foreman (I can see Foreman knocking Holmes down, but Larry's could definitely get up to outbox George to a clear decision).

Lewis KO6 Tyson (I can't see Tyson staying up for so long in the rematch).

thunderfromdownunder · Post by **thunderfromdownunder** » 23 Apr 2006, 07:59

Lewis KO9 Tyson, lewis wares him down and eventually puts him down for the count.

Foreman KO5 Holmes, foreman swarmes him from the opening bell, larry dosent even get a chance.

Louis UD Marciano, both fighters pummel each other, but both too tough to go down, louis has the better of the excjanges though

Ali TKO14 Frazier, close fight but Alis speed accuracy and Stamina are to much for smokin joe

thunderfromdownunder · Post by **thunderfromdownunder** » 23 Apr 2006, 07:59

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:tyson KO 2 lennox lewis

thats a bit far fetched dont ya think

thunderfromdownunder · Post by **thunderfromdownunder** » 23 Apr 2006, 20:21

yes severall times.
what i mean is from the opening bell george is in larrys face landing big shots.
similar to the rumble in the jungle, but i dont think larry is as tough as ali and therfore foreman wins

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 23 Apr 2006, 22:01

Ali vs Frazier II UD12. The 60s Ali would have creamed Frazier every time they met.

Louis vs Marciano II UD12. Marciano is no opponent for prime Louis.

Holmes vs Foreman II UD12. If Holmes can keep Foreman off early in the fight - and as he had one of the best jabs in heavyweight's boxing history he should be able to - he ought to win.

Lewis vs Tyson II UD 12. Prime Tyson would have won several early rounds though.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 23 Apr 2006, 22:03

jezzamundo wrote:Frazier UD12 Ali (I think a prime Frazier has the perfect style to beat Ali, as he proved in their first fight)

Marciano KO7 Louis (Obviously far closer than their actual encounter, but Marciano is awesome in rematches. I see Louis winning most of the rounds until Marciano knocks him down in the 6th with an overhand right, and never lets him recover).

Holmes UD12 Foreman (I can see Foreman knocking Holmes down, but Larry's could definitely get up to outbox George to a clear decision).

Lewis KO6 Tyson (I can't see Tyson staying up for so long in the rematch).

Frazier and Marciano are no match for prime Ali (i.e., 1965 Ali) and prime Louis (i.e., 1938 Louis). They could beat only older, slower versions of the former greats. Btw, you seem to take a page from Schmeling's book as regards Marciano Louis, but Marciano didn't have Schmeling's extraordinary hard short right. Hence I doubt Marciano could have adopted that strategy. Besides, after Schmeling Louis didn't let his left drop any more.

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 24 Apr 2006, 01:30

Frazier and Marciano are no match for prime Ali (i.e., 1965 Ali) and prime Louis (i.e., 1938 Louis). They could beat only older, slower versions of the former greats. Btw, you seem to take a page from Schmeling's book as regards Marciano Louis, but Marciano didn't have Schmeling's extraordinary hard short right. Hence I doubt Marciano could have adopted that strategy. Besides, after Schmeling Louis didn't let his left drop any more.

I believe that performing the way he did in their first fight, Frazier could beat pretty much any version of Ali as he has the two most important weapons to beat Ali: the ability to walk straight through his jabs, and a fantastic left hook. Ali was definitely not a former great when Frazier fought him, but he was definitely slower, although smarter.

Louis-Marciano I am not so sure about, so I am taking a bit of a gamble. In the end of the day though, I voted for Louis in their first fight, and Marciano did beat Joe when they fought, however past it Joe may have been. Louis did get knocked down by softer punchers than Rocky, and Rocky was a great finisher, so that's why I've voted the way I have.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 24 Apr 2006, 04:17

Frazier WSD 12 Ali
Louis WSD 12 Marciano
Holmes KO 9 Foreman
Lewis WTKO 10 Tyson

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 24 Apr 2006, 07:25

Ali vs Frazier II (Ali won 1st fight UD12) Ali 11RD TKO
Louis vs Marciano II (Louis won 1st fight TKO9) Louis 12 RD Dec
Holmes vs Foreman II (Holmes won 1st fight TKO11) Holmes 12RD Dec
Lewis vs Tyson II (Lewis won 1st fight KO9) Lewis KO 8

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 24 Apr 2006, 07:47

Ali UD Fraizer

Marciano KO 9 Louis

Foreman KO 6 Holmes

Tyson KO 7 Lewis

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 24 Apr 2006, 09:28

Schmeling's book as regards Marciano Louis, but Marciano didn't have Schmeling's extraordinary hard short right.

ever see the walcott knockout? what kind of punch do u think marciano hit walcott with?

i think louis would knock out rocky, however what u said up top is horribly wrong

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 24 Apr 2006, 09:56

thunderfromdownunder wrote:yes severall times.
what i mean is from the opening bell george is in larrys face landing big shots.
similar to the rumble in the jungle, but i dont think larry is as tough as ali and therfore foreman wins

LMAO

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 24 Apr 2006, 09:57

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
Schmeling's book as regards Marciano Louis, but Marciano didn't have Schmeling's extraordinary hard short right.

ever see the walcott knockout? what kind of punch do u think marciano hit walcott with?

i think louis would knock out rocky, however what u said up top is horribly wrong

I knew this would come.

Hard SHORT right. Schmeling held his hand right in front of his chest and could let it loose without even a hint of changing his stance. He also didn't need to step forward when throwing it. Schmeling's right was more like a very sharp jab executed with the "wrong" hand than a full-flight cross.

For Marciano to throw this kind of right his short reach alone would have been an obstacle.

Crease · Post by **Crease** » 24 Apr 2006, 10:47

Ali vs Frazier II

This time Frazier has Ali's number, Ali's arrogance is his biggest weakness, and Frazier desparaely wnats to wage a war! Alki's speed and quickness makes Joe look meiocre n th eifrst few rounds, Frazier only needs to land one....And he does. Frazier KO 5

Louis vs Marciano II

Joe Louis battled agianst Marciani with a style that has been mastered by no-one else. Rocky falls twice but regains his focus to spark out a disheartned Joe Louis. Marciano KO 7

Holmes vs Foreman II

Holmes frustrates Foreman but Big Geroge's power is just too much for him. Foeman KO round 3.

Lewis vs Tyson II

Lewis uses his stiff jab to keep Tyson away but Tyson corners him late in the round and uleashes a furious barrage of blows that vibrates the ribs...Lewis falls never to return. Tyson KO 10.

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 24 Apr 2006, 11:36

Ali WUD 12 Frazier
Louis WTKO 10 Marciano
Holmes WUD 12 Foreman
Lewis WTKO 10 Tyson

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 24 Apr 2006, 16:51

How easy was it for Ali to beat Frazier in the second fight? That's the real story of Ali and Frazier.....In the first he couldnt beleive anyone could beat him so he took foolish chances, in the Third the thought Joe was washed up and he took foolish chances. In the second he just stuck to business and called up what he had and pulled off a very calculated, polished by the book win over Frazier.

Which if not for his vanity, he could do any day of the week in their shared primes. Ali beat himself in the first fight and almost managed to do it again in the third. Giving a theoretical to Frazier just doesn't work for me.

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 01 May 2006, 00:02

Sorry for not updating the tournament on the weekend as i usually do. I have been away as a leader on a camp for the mentally disabled for the past 6 days. Update will come later in the day, I promise!

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