punchoutsb wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 23:12
An average one inch long human hair weighs about 50 micrograms.
The average beard is approximately 30,000 hairs.
50 micrograms times 30,000 = 1.5 million micrograms or 0.05 ounces.
Say a beard is 4 inches long, we take 0.05 ounces times 4 and we get 0.2 ounces.
So a 4 inch long beard would offer up about 1/5 of an ounce of weight. This weight is not solidly packed, but is rather spread across the entire face. If a punch lands the entire beard does not compress together, but rather only the area struck. Given where a beard actually lies, a punch landing on the chin would compress about 1/3 of the beard or about 0.06 ounces or 3/50 of an ounce. For reference, according to the above numbers it would take a beard of about 20 inches length to weigh a single ounce.
Long story short any cushioning a beard offers is statistically insignificant, especially when you consider the fact that a knockout is caused by the cranium hitting the frontal lobe due to a sudden and violent acceleration.
Edit: To clarify for anyone who may not understand this post (and then delete their post): The weight of your supposed cushion is obviously important as 100 pounds of feathers will offer more cushion than 10 pounds of feathers. 0.2 ounces (the weight of our 4 inch beard above) is essentially the same weight as one of the small cotton rounds my wife uses to remove nail polish. It is quite clear that this "cushion" will not have any sort of statistical impact on punch resistance.
I doubt your match is accurate.
1 teaspoon (small spoon) of sugar is 4 grams. Yet you think a man's 4 inch beard weighs 5 grams?
punchoutsb wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 23:12
An average one inch long human hair weighs about 50 micrograms.
The average beard is approximately 30,000 hairs.
50 micrograms times 30,000 = 1.5 million micrograms or 0.05 ounces.
Say a beard is 4 inches long, we take 0.05 ounces times 4 and we get 0.2 ounces.
So a 4 inch long beard would offer up about 1/5 of an ounce of weight. This weight is not solidly packed, but is rather spread across the entire face. If a punch lands the entire beard does not compress together, but rather only the area struck. Given where a beard actually lies, a punch landing on the chin would compress about 1/3 of the beard or about 0.06 ounces or 3/50 of an ounce. For reference, according to the above numbers it would take a beard of about 20 inches length to weigh a single ounce.
Long story short any cushioning a beard offers is statistically insignificant, especially when you consider the fact that a knockout is caused by the cranium hitting the frontal lobe due to a sudden and violent acceleration.
Edit: To clarify for anyone who may not understand this post (and then delete their post): The weight of your supposed cushion is obviously important as 100 pounds of feathers will offer more cushion than 10 pounds of feathers. 0.2 ounces (the weight of our 4 inch beard above) is essentially the same weight as one of the small cotton rounds my wife uses to remove nail polish. It is quite clear that this "cushion" will not have any sort of statistical impact on punch resistance.
I doubt your match is accurate.
1 teaspoon (small spoon) of sugar is 4 grams. Yet you think a man's 4 inch beard weighs 5 grams?
punchoutsb wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 23:12
An average one inch long human hair weighs about 50 micrograms.
The average beard is approximately 30,000 hairs.
50 micrograms times 30,000 = 1.5 million micrograms or 0.05 ounces.
Say a beard is 4 inches long, we take 0.05 ounces times 4 and we get 0.2 ounces.
So a 4 inch long beard would offer up about 1/5 of an ounce of weight. This weight is not solidly packed, but is rather spread across the entire face. If a punch lands the entire beard does not compress together, but rather only the area struck. Given where a beard actually lies, a punch landing on the chin would compress about 1/3 of the beard or about 0.06 ounces or 3/50 of an ounce. For reference, according to the above numbers it would take a beard of about 20 inches length to weigh a single ounce.
Long story short any cushioning a beard offers is statistically insignificant, especially when you consider the fact that a knockout is caused by the cranium hitting the frontal lobe due to a sudden and violent acceleration.
Edit: To clarify for anyone who may not understand this post (and then delete their post): The weight of your supposed cushion is obviously important as 100 pounds of feathers will offer more cushion than 10 pounds of feathers. 0.2 ounces (the weight of our 4 inch beard above) is essentially the same weight as one of the small cotton rounds my wife uses to remove nail polish. It is quite clear that this "cushion" will not have any sort of statistical impact on punch resistance.
I doubt your match is accurate.
1 teaspoon (small spoon) of sugar is 4 grams. Yet you think a man's 4 inch beard weighs 5 grams?
Ever heard of density?
There is simply no way a teaspoon of sugar weighs the same as a full-on 4-inch beard.
A synthetic wig with maximum strand length of 4 inches weighs a total of 90 grams, granted it qould also include the base/scalp part, but i think your 5 grams is well out.
Btw, how many grams of horsehair does a standard 8oz boxing glove contain?
1 teaspoon (small spoon) of sugar is 4 grams. Yet you think a man's 4 inch beard weighs 5 grams?
Ever heard of density?
There is simply no way a teaspoon of sugar weighs the same as a full-on 4-inch beard.
A synthetic wig with maximum strand length of 4 inches weighs a total of 90 grams, granted it qould also include the base/scalp part, but i think your 5 grams is well out.
Btw, how many grams of horsehair does a standard 8oz boxing glove contain?
There is over three times more hair on the head than in a beard, knocking your 90 grams down to 30 (and that's rounding up). Remove the "base/scalp part" (the heaviest part) and guess what kind of weight you'll be looking at?
People in this thread think hair is made of lead or something
There is simply no way a teaspoon of sugar weighs the same as a full-on 4-inch beard.
A synthetic wig with maximum strand length of 4 inches weighs a total of 90 grams, granted it qould also include the base/scalp part, but i think your 5 grams is well out.
Btw, how many grams of horsehair does a standard 8oz boxing glove contain?
There is over three times more hair on the head than in a beard, knocking your 90 grams down to 30 (and that's rounding up). Remove the "base/scalp part" (the heaviest part) and guess what kind of weight you'll be looking at?
People in this thread think hair is made of lead or something
The fact is you don't know what a beard like this weighs:
Nor do you know the weight of the hair they use to pad out standard boxing gloves.
I'm willing to bet the above beard, and the hair contained inside a boxing glove, weighs more than a sugar cube.
There is simply no way a teaspoon of sugar weighs the same as a full-on 4-inch beard.
A synthetic wig with maximum strand length of 4 inches weighs a total of 90 grams, granted it qould also include the base/scalp part, but i think your 5 grams is well out.
Btw, how many grams of horsehair does a standard 8oz boxing glove contain?
There is over three times more hair on the head than in a beard, knocking your 90 grams down to 30 (and that's rounding up). Remove the "base/scalp part" (the heaviest part) and guess what kind of weight you'll be looking at?
People in this thread think hair is made of lead or something
The fact is you don't know what a beard like this weighs:
Nor do you know the weight of the hair they use to pad out standard boxing gloves.
I'm willing to bet the above beard, and the hair contained inside a boxing glove, weighs more than a sugar cube.
The facts are sugar is more dense than hair, and you are more dense than both.
punchoutsb wrote: ↑22 Apr 2018, 23:12
An average one inch long human hair weighs about 50 micrograms.
The average beard is approximately 30,000 hairs.
50 micrograms times 30,000 = 1.5 million micrograms or 0.05 ounces.
Say a beard is 4 inches long, we take 0.05 ounces times 4 and we get 0.2 ounces.
So a 4 inch long beard would offer up about 1/5 of an ounce of weight. This weight is not solidly packed, but is rather spread across the entire face. If a punch lands the entire beard does not compress together, but rather only the area struck. Given where a beard actually lies, a punch landing on the chin would compress about 1/3 of the beard or about 0.06 ounces or 3/50 of an ounce. For reference, according to the above numbers it would take a beard of about 20 inches length to weigh a single ounce.
Long story short any cushioning a beard offers is statistically insignificant, especially when you consider the fact that a knockout is caused by the cranium hitting the frontal lobe due to a sudden and violent acceleration.
You're talking about the weight of a beard. What does the weight of a beard have to do with the fact that hair is a cushioning material? I just told ya cushioning material is light weight and mostly air, whether it's human hair, horse hair, plastic foam, whatever. They don't make cushions out of lead.
You're ignoring what i said above, like common sense, dude. Cushions cushion. Hair is a cushion.
You're asking why weight is important when discussion cushioning material? Seriously?
The weight of your supposed cushion is obviously important as 100 pounds of feathers will offer more cushion than 10 pounds of feathers. 0.2 ounces (the weight of our 4 inch beard above) is essentially the same weight as one of the small cotton rounds my wife uses to remove nail polish. It is quite clear that this "cushion" will not have any sort of statistical impact on punch resistance.
What you're suggesting is like saying blowing really hard when someone throws a punch will lessen the punches impact because of the wind resistance. While it's true in the most minute sense, it doesn't come close to offering anything remotely close to statistical significance.
Instead of actually thinking and using common sense you are just trying to "win" your argument. You are also being obnoxious and rude, which is not a propitious combination with being stupid.
OK, you are standing in front of me and i hit you in your jaw with my fist (that sounds like fun!) Or, 2nd, choice, you hold up a doubled up feather pillow in front of your jaw before i punch you. Which do you think will hurt more, 1 or 2? How much do the feathers in the pillow weigh? Duh.
One error both sides are making when discussing the size/weight of the beard. The entire beard is not going to be between the punch and the face anyhow. Only a fraction of the beard is going to be in the way. The other side of the face is providing no cover. Neither is anything more than a few inches under the chin. Like punchout stated, technically it is providing some resistance. But in no way is it going to make any difference. Some could say having a beard gives your opponent a larger bulls eye and may actually work into the opponent's favor.
In MMA, there is no discussion on a fighter beard has to be a certain length due to protection. There isn't because it's a silly argument. Instead, they would rather have a somewhat trimmed beard as to not conceal abrasions or too long to bother the opponent. A beard isn't protecting from power.
People, X2X (Then Wolverine) also once said on the Klitschko site that Sanders was better than Holyfield because he stopped Czyz faster. He's going to believe what he wants to believe.
As for Ricky, he just wants to be different. Like him thinking Broner won 117-111 against Vargas.
Sometimes people need to be different, even if it makes them look redicolous.
Impractical Poster wrote: ↑23 Apr 2018, 17:44One error both sides are making when discussing the size/weight of the beard. The entire beard is not going to be between the punch and the face anyhow. Only a fraction of the beard is going to be in the way. The other side of the face is providing no cover. Neither is anything more than a few inches under the chin. Like punchout stated, technically it is providing some resistance. But in no way is it going to make any difference. Some could say having a beard gives your opponent a larger bulls eye and may actually work into the opponent's favor.
In MMA, there is no discussion on a fighter beard has to be a certain length due to protection. There isn't because it's a silly argument. Instead, they would rather have a somewhat trimmed beard as to not conceal abrasions or too long to bother the opponent. A beard isn't protecting from power.
What error? Of course the whole beard cant be in the way. All the cushioning in a bike helmet isnt in the way if you land on your head while wearing one. The cushioning dissipates the force of the blow in both cases. And of course beards protect the face. That's why the Gods gave men beards. Be that as it may, it is the historical tradition in boxing to not allow them, and this is just another debasement of the sport.
There is over three times more hair on the head than in a beard, knocking your 90 grams down to 30 (and that's rounding up). Remove the "base/scalp part" (the heaviest part) and guess what kind of weight you'll be looking at?
People in this thread think hair is made of lead or something
The fact is you don't know what a beard like this weighs:
Nor do you know the weight of the hair they use to pad out standard boxing gloves.
I'm willing to bet the above beard, and the hair contained inside a boxing glove, weighs more than a sugar cube.
The facts are sugar is more dense than hair, and you are more dense than both.
I'm far smarter than you.
Here's what you are not getting; over the years materials such as cotton, hair and compressed foam have been used to pad boxong gloves. In otder to be effective as padding, the padding material must absorb energy as it compresses.
Take a man with a large, thick, curly beard. If he is stricken with a blow to the face,.the hair on his beard is going to compress and absorb some of the energy of the blow before that energy reaches his chin. This is scientific fact. The only dispute here is just how much energy is absorbed. The biggest variable here is the size and thickness of the beard. A canelo style goatee is obviously absorbing nothing but the beard i posted above belonging to Petersin obviously would be capable of absorbing similar energy levels of the padding inside an 8oz horsehair glove. Hence why commissions often instruct fighters to trim back beards.
armageto wrote: ↑23 Apr 2018, 17:54
People, X2X (Then Wolverine) also once said on the Klitschko site that Sanders was better than Holyfield because he stopped Czyz faster. He's going to believe what he wants to believe.
As for Ricky, he just wants to be different. Like him thinking Broner won 117-111 against Vargas.
Sometimes people need to be different, even if it makes them look redicolous.
That's how i scored it live. I'm a little surprised most people scored it 114-114 on account of Vargas being largely ineffective and Broner exclusively landing the quality shots. But hey, me giving Broner 3 rounds more than everyone else does must mean I'm an attention seeking a contrarian huh? I'd argue most fight fans just hate Broner to the point of seeing what they want to see.
armageto wrote: ↑23 Apr 2018, 17:54
People, X2X (Then Wolverine) also once said on the Klitschko site that Sanders was better than Holyfield because he stopped Czyz faster. He's going to believe what he wants to believe.
As for Ricky, he just wants to be different. Like him thinking Broner won 117-111 against Vargas.
Sometimes people need to be different, even if it makes them look redicolous.
That's how i scored it live. I'm a little surprised most people scored it 114-114 on account of Vargas being largely ineffective and Broner exclusively landing the quality shots. But hey, me giving Broner 3 rounds more than everyone else does must mean I'm an attention seeking a contrarian huh? I'd argue most fight fans just hate Broner to the point of seeing what they want to see.
There is nobody, not even Broner himself, that thought he won by that margin. To each his own, but between that and the beard issue this week, you're proving my point.
armageto wrote: ↑23 Apr 2018, 17:54
People, X2X (Then Wolverine) also once said on the Klitschko site that Sanders was better than Holyfield because he stopped Czyz faster. He's going to believe what he wants to believe.
As for Ricky, he just wants to be different. Like him thinking Broner won 117-111 against Vargas.
Sometimes people need to be different, even if it makes them look redicolous.
That's how i scored it live. I'm a little surprised most people scored it 114-114 on account of Vargas being largely ineffective and Broner exclusively landing the quality shots. But hey, me giving Broner 3 rounds more than everyone else does must mean I'm an attention seeking a contrarian huh? I'd argue most fight fans just hate Broner to the point of seeing what they want to see.
I'd argue that you just don't know what you're talking about.
If Vargas' work was ineffective what exactly was Broner doing that WAS so effective? Were you real impressed by his inactivity and shaking his head? Or was it his flashier trunks that did it for you?
armageto wrote: ↑23 Apr 2018, 17:54
People, X2X (Then Wolverine) also once said on the Klitschko site that Sanders was better than Holyfield because he stopped Czyz faster. He's going to believe what he wants to believe.
As for Ricky, he just wants to be different. Like him thinking Broner won 117-111 against Vargas.
Sometimes people need to be different, even if it makes them look redicolous.
That's how i scored it live. I'm a little surprised most people scored it 114-114 on account of Vargas being largely ineffective and Broner exclusively landing the quality shots. But hey, me giving Broner 3 rounds more than everyone else does must mean I'm an attention seeking a contrarian huh? I'd argue most fight fans just hate Broner to the point of seeing what they want to see.
There is nobody, not even Broner himself, that thought he won by that margin. To each his own, but between that and the beard issue this week, you're proving my point.
You're wrong on the beard issue too. It's scientific fact that hair cushions and absorbs energy. It's also indisputable fact that commissions order beards to be trimmed back where they deem necessary. My posts are in line here, it's those arguing that beards have no effect that are straight up wrong.
armageto wrote: ↑23 Apr 2018, 17:54
People, X2X (Then Wolverine) also once said on the Klitschko site that Sanders was better than Holyfield because he stopped Czyz faster. He's going to believe what he wants to believe.
As for Ricky, he just wants to be different. Like him thinking Broner won 117-111 against Vargas.
Sometimes people need to be different, even if it makes them look redicolous.
That's how i scored it live. I'm a little surprised most people scored it 114-114 on account of Vargas being largely ineffective and Broner exclusively landing the quality shots. But hey, me giving Broner 3 rounds more than everyone else does must mean I'm an attention seeking a contrarian huh? I'd argue most fight fans just hate Broner to the point of seeing what they want to see.
I'd argue that you just don't know what you're talking about.
If Vargas' work was ineffective what exactly was Broner doing that WAS so effective? Were you real impressed by his inactivity and shaking his head? Or was it his flashier trunks that did it for you?
I was impressed by his quick accurate left hooks and snap-back counter rights that that regularly rocked back Vargas head from r3 onwards, that did significant damage to his face & not to mention, had him on queer street in one of the mid rounds (7 i think).
Tbh I'm past caring, neither are relevant at 147 anyway, but Broner won that fight.
That's how i scored it live. I'm a little surprised most people scored it 114-114 on account of Vargas being largely ineffective and Broner exclusively landing the quality shots. But hey, me giving Broner 3 rounds more than everyone else does must mean I'm an attention seeking a contrarian huh? I'd argue most fight fans just hate Broner to the point of seeing what they want to see.
There is nobody, not even Broner himself, that thought he won by that margin. To each his own, but between that and the beard issue this week, you're proving my point.
You're wrong on the beard issue too. It's scientific fact that hair cushions and absorbs energy. It's also indisputable fact that commissions order beards to be trimmed back where they deem necessary. My posts are in line here, it's those arguing that beards have no effect that are straight up wrong.
It does next to nothing. I've sparred when I was younger with and without beard. In case I was crazy, I asked few guys that have had pro careers of a good extent. Nobody thinks this is accurate. At all.....
Huh? Half the people here are just plain nuts and/or dumb as rocks.
When you came to this site, you had posted that you were on the Klitschko site, under the username Wolverine. I remember that guy from the site. So since you said that was your username over there, than that was you. Posts are the same, a supposed boxing genius, mob rants, less racism now though.
There is nobody, not even Broner himself, that thought he won by that margin. To each his own, but between that and the beard issue this week, you're proving my point.
You're wrong on the beard issue too. It's scientific fact that hair cushions and absorbs energy. It's also indisputable fact that commissions order beards to be trimmed back where they deem necessary. My posts are in line here, it's those arguing that beards have no effect that are straight up wrong.
It does next to nothing. I've sparred when I was younger with and without beard. In case I was crazy, I asked few guys that have had pro careers of a good extent. Nobody thinks this is accurate. At all.....
That's sparring, probably with 16oz gloves. The pro's can be a game of small margins.
Let me ask you this, if in a world lightweight title fight 1 of the participants wore UFC style 4oz gloves & the other wore regular 8oz gloves - would that be an advantage?
You're wrong on the beard issue too. It's scientific fact that hair cushions and absorbs energy. It's also indisputable fact that commissions order beards to be trimmed back where they deem necessary. My posts are in line here, it's those arguing that beards have no effect that are straight up wrong.
It does next to nothing. I've sparred when I was younger with and without beard. In case I was crazy, I asked few guys that have had pro careers of a good extent. Nobody thinks this is accurate. At all.....
That's sparring, probably with 16oz gloves. The pro's can be a game of small margins.
Let me ask you this, if in a world lightweight title fight 1 of the participants wore UFC style 4oz gloves & the other wore regular 8oz gloves - would that be an advantage?
Of course it would be an advantage and your point is night and day. Comparing glove size to a small amount of beard is outlandish.
X2X started this whole nonsense because Wilder, with a beard barely there, won against Ortiz. That's it. You joined this guys brigade...
I also noted pro fighters. Nobody agrees with you two....
