Hatton and Collazo - The tale of the Red Tape.

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 21 Apr 2006, 18:50

Mick Sturbs wrote:I heard this tonite. 10 X 3 non-Title fight as WBA have said no. So what is the point of Ricky giving up two belts for this?

Seems a mess and he should bail out and stay at home before he makes a real mess of his career.

There is no point in fighting Collazo with nothing to gain is there.

Warren must be laughing his head off over this debacle.

I hear Kery Davis is not happy and Don King has been missing from various publicity functions today.

Starting to sound a bit silly isnt it.

Maybe Witter in Sheffield would have been better

Mick Sturbs · Post by **Mick Sturbs** » 21 Apr 2006, 18:55

We may have to apologise to BC as it appears he is right!

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 21 Apr 2006, 18:58

Mick Sturbs wrote:We may have to apologise to BC as it appears he is right!

He might be. It seems there are just too many people involved.

Hobson, King, Pellullo, Waterman, Evans, Ray Hatton. fornicating hell. Talk about too many cooks spoiling the broth. Ricky's head must be rocking.

If the fight does happen... What price is Collazo to win?

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 22 Apr 2006, 05:28

Mick Sturbs wrote:We may have to apologise to BC as it appears he is right!

Yep you were right Mick....err I mean boxchat!

What do you change in a phone booth when assuming your alter ego??

My T Sharp · Post by **My T Sharp** » 22 Apr 2006, 14:29

Mick Sturbs wrote:We may have to apologise to BC as it appears he is right!

A big sorry to Bob Carolgees then

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 22 Apr 2006, 14:44

So if its a no title fight, would this make Hatton the highest British paid boxer ever to fight in a non title fight.

boxingchat · Post by **boxingchat** » 24 Apr 2006, 05:44

lvlarc_uk wrote:So if its a no title fight, would this make Hatton the highest British paid boxer ever to fight in a non title fight.

It is unlikely that this purse would remain the same as TV and PPV figures would diminish somewhat I would assume. Still if this is the case Hatton only has himself to blame for getting tied up with a pack of fools and letting King control the shots, whether they realise it or not..

On another note, I must apologise to eatsleepandtalkshite as it now appears the WBU have received a letter from Robert Waterman cancelling his £5k pledge to keep the WBU bauble and as a result Hatton is officially stripped. So that's two down one to go!

Hatton without a title is a seriously devalued commodity and I doubt whether the likes of Mayweater or the big US names would bother with him with the risks involved if they have nothing to gain.

Back to my earlier point, why lose three belts, move up a weight and fight a non-title fight agsint a World Champion and risk everything for no gain. What is the point other than financial gain. Hardly the stuff of legacy and legend.

Ricky really needs to get a grip on his dad and evaluate where he may end up if all this goes wrong. It appears Ricky himself and maybe his brother are the only one's in the camp with the slightest idea about the business they are in.

Risks are great for the Sport and the afns but in this case I really don't see the point or see where this is going.

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 24 Apr 2006, 07:48

boxingchat wrote:Why didn't he just fight Mbaye, Rabbah and whoever and move to the big fights.

american tv call the shots and they wanted neither.

anyway sod the belts.

hatton is an established big name now and doesn't need em.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 24 Apr 2006, 07:50

This is really becoming a bit of a train wreck.....

boxingchat · Post by **boxingchat** » 24 Apr 2006, 09:52

hitman_hatton1 wrote:
boxingchat wrote:Why didn't he just fight Mbaye, Rabbah and whoever and move to the big fights.
american tv call the shots and they wanted neither.

anyway sod the belts.

hatton is an established big name now and doesn't need em.

You are being a purest old son. The belts do mean something they mean power and money and legacy.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 24 Apr 2006, 10:09

TV companies prefer having belts on the line, unless the fighter is a MASSIVE star of the likes of Gatti, Barrera, Morales, DLH then they want to be able to have the belt to validate the fight.

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 24 Apr 2006, 10:18

jamesmcdonnell wrote:TV companies prefer having belts on the line, unless the fighter is a MASSIVE star of the likes of Gatti, Barrera, Morales, DLH then they want to be able to have the belt to validate the fight.

Even Gatti's fight vs Damgaard had to have a belt (IBA...)

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 24 Apr 2006, 11:02

boxingchat wrote:
hitman_hatton1 wrote:
boxingchat wrote:Why didn't he just fight Mbaye, Rabbah and whoever and move to the big fights.
american tv call the shots and they wanted neither.

anyway sod the belts.

hatton is an established big name now and doesn't need em.
You are being a purest old son. The belts do mean something they mean power and money and legacy.

to establish yaself i think belts are important.

but when u get to a certain level of prominence i don't think it really matters if u get stripped of em all.

hatton's top dog at 140 and if he fights there again no one will give a shit if he has those 2 belts or not.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 24 Apr 2006, 11:05

He isn't big enough yet to make fightless belts a massive sell, not far off it perhaps, but I cannot see how he would have the profile yet.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 24 Apr 2006, 12:59

bennie wrote:Yes.
Jock McAvoy, the Rochdale Thunderbolt, was reigning British middleweight champion when he moved up to challenge world light-heavyweight champion John Henry Lewis in Madison Square Garden in 1936.
Lewis won a tough 15-rounder on points.

I've read that Jocks hands were shot to pieces for that fight.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 24 Apr 2006, 13:02

KOJOE90 wrote:
bennie wrote:Yes.
Jock McAvoy, the Rochdale Thunderbolt, was reigning British middleweight champion when he moved up to challenge world light-heavyweight champion John Henry Lewis in Madison Square Garden in 1936.
Lewis won a tough 15-rounder on points.
I've read that Jocks hands were shot to pieces for that fight.

He must be the only man in history to chin an unruly fan...from his wheelchair.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 24 Apr 2006, 13:14

bennie wrote:
KOJOE90 wrote:
bennie wrote:Yes.
Jock McAvoy, the Rochdale Thunderbolt, was reigning British middleweight champion when he moved up to challenge world light-heavyweight champion John Henry Lewis in Madison Square Garden in 1936.
Lewis won a tough 15-rounder on points.
I've read that Jocks hands were shot to pieces for that fight.
He must be the only man in history to chin an unruly fan...from his wheelchair.

Yeah, I read about that to, Jock must be our hardest punching Middleweight ever?

By all accounts he feared nobody. He had brave managers to, as there was talk of putting him with big Tommy Farr at one time.

eatsleepbox99 · Post by **eatsleepbox99** » 25 Apr 2006, 13:06

thanks for the apology Boxing Tw*t!
Once again I am forced to correct you, Robert Waterman has not written to the WBU regarding Ricky.
Ricky's purses for his next 3 fights are guaranteed and he will get paid irrespective of how many people pay for the fight or indeed if it is a title fight, which incidentially it will be.
You really should pay more attention when you are brewing up!

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 25 Apr 2006, 15:04

eatsleepbox99 wrote:thanks for the apology Boxing Tw*t!
Once again I am forced to correct you, Robert Waterman has not written to the WBU regarding Ricky.
Ricky's purses for his next 3 fights are guaranteed and he will get paid irrespective of how many people pay for the fight or indeed if it is a title fight, which incidentially it will be.
You really should pay more attention when you are brewing up!

milk and 2 sugars please.

maxx · Post by **maxx** » 25 Apr 2006, 16:01

According to ESB the fight card has been relaesed with the Main Event WBA World title 12 rounds!

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 25 Apr 2006, 16:06

maxx wrote:According to ESB the fight card has been relaesed with the Main Event WBA World title 12 rounds!

ESB is full of shit, and all they announced it what we already knew...Hatton/Collazo, Pereira/Pickering, and a whole bunch of Vs. TBA's.

maxx · Post by **maxx** » 25 Apr 2006, 16:12

Matty you live in Boston what's the Craic is this fight gonna be for a title or not!

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 25 Apr 2006, 16:19

maxx wrote:Matty you live in Boston what's the Craic is this fight gonna be for a title or not!

Honest, there hasn't been an ounce of advertising done for it here. I saw the same posters you have all seen, some saying yes title, some saying no, and that's it. No word around here whether or not it's for a title.

PS, tickets are not selling well at all. You can get 9th row tickets on ticketmaster still.

maxx · Post by **maxx** » 25 Apr 2006, 16:25

Well Title or not i think it's gonna be a good fight and i'm just thinking about other great non title fights Ward vs Gatti they never fought for any Titles and all three were 10 rounds so i'm just gonna concentrate on the positive's.

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 26 Apr 2006, 04:15

eatsleepbox99 wrote:thanks for the apology Boxing Tw*t!
Once again I am forced to correct you, Robert Waterman has not written to the WBU regarding Ricky.
Ricky's purses for his next 3 fights are guaranteed and he will get paid irrespective of how many people pay for the fight or indeed if it is a title fight, which incidentially it will be.
You really should pay more attention when you are brewing up!

Hatton may well be guaranteed. But all this will ensure is that FA go bust. They are paying him too much.