wlad -AJ, watched again ...

[man]

... this is for me one of the best ten
heavy weight title fights of all time.
had it all. power, drama, mutual KDs.

to me up there with the big fights of
louis, ali and tyson.

[Kalan]

For form and execution....and lack of clinching and holding...Joshua vs Klitschko was the greatest Heavyweight fight so far.... There were dramatic swings and tremendous drama... As Gennady Golovkin likes to say "Big Drama Fight."

Ali-Frazier III wasn't a fight I liked... Over 100 clinches and I knew Frazier should have been in a hospital and not a ring.

[DrDuke]

This fight was great indeed. I rewatch it from time to time. Klitschko had a terrific performance, especially for his age.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Tremendous fight, when I finally got round to watching it. The feed cut out at the time, gutted. although i have no idea why i wasn't in a pub somewhere.

Both guys' performances were magnificent.

[Luis Fernando12]

Wladimir Klitschko vs Kubrat Pulev was a better fight in my opinion. Wlad wasn't coming off a 2 year layoff at age 41 in that fight.

Either way, that's one of the biggest reasons why there should be a super heavyweight division where super heavyweight sized boxers like Anthony Joshua, Wladimir Klitschko and Kubrat Pulev are separated from small, irrelevant and midget sized heavyweights like Carlos Takam, David Haye and Alexander Povetkin who have no business even being in today's 'SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT' landscape.

Simply because, we will continue to see the most entertaining fights when both boxers are evenly matched in terms of size. Wladimir Klitschko vs Anthony Joshua was an entertaining and a great fight because both were evenly matched in size. Same thing with Lennox Lewis vs Vitali Klitschko. Carlos TAkam vs Alexander Povetkin was also very entertaining and a great fight because both were also evenly matched in size. Meanwhile, Wladimir Klitschko vs Alexander Povetkin, Anthony Joshua vs Carlos Takam and Anthony Joshua vs Alexander Povetkin were / will be boring, non-entertaining and unwatchable mismatches due to the insane size differences between the competitors. It's ridiculous that this problem is still going on and super heavyweights get credit for beating up small men they should really be squashing like bugs / ants / insects and as if they are meant to even be credible fights.

[dagilechia]

Wladimir Klitschko vs Kubrat Pulev was a better fight in my opinion. Wlad wasn't coming off a 2 year layoff at age 41 in that fight.

Either way, that's one of the biggest reasons why there should be a super heavyweight division where super heavyweight sized boxers like Anthony Joshua, Wladimir Klitschko and Kubrat Pulev are separated from small, irrelevant and midget sized heavyweights like Carlos Takam, David Haye and Alexander Povetkin who have no business even being in today's 'SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT' landscape.

Simply because, we will continue to see the most entertaining fights when both boxers are evenly matched in terms of size. Wladimir Klitschko vs Anthony Joshua was an entertaining and a great fight because both were evenly matched in size. Same thing with Lennox Lewis vs Vitali Klitschko. Carlos TAkam vs Alexander Povetkin was also very entertaining and a great fight because both were also evenly matched in size. Meanwhile, Wladimir Klitschko vs Alexander Povetkin, Anthony Joshua vs Carlos Takam and Anthony Joshua vs Alexander Povetkin were / will be boring, non-entertaining and unwatchable mismatches due to the insane size differences between the competitors. It's ridiculous that this problem is still going on and super heavyweights get credit for beating up small men they should really be squashing like bugs / ants / insects and as if they are meant to even be credible fights.

Wlad vs Pulev came out as an one-sided mismatch though

[Bard of Boxrec]

Wladimir Klitschko vs Kubrat Pulev was a better fight in my opinion. Wlad wasn't coming off a 2 year layoff at age 41 in that fight.

Either way, that's one of the biggest reasons why there should be a super heavyweight division where super heavyweight sized boxers like Anthony Joshua, Wladimir Klitschko and Kubrat Pulev are separated from small, irrelevant and midget sized heavyweights like Carlos Takam, David Haye and Alexander Povetkin who have no business even being in today's 'SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT' landscape.

Simply because, we will continue to see the most entertaining fights when both boxers are evenly matched in terms of size. Wladimir Klitschko vs Anthony Joshua was an entertaining and a great fight because both were evenly matched in size. Same thing with Lennox Lewis vs Vitali Klitschko. Carlos TAkam vs Alexander Povetkin was also very entertaining and a great fight because both were also evenly matched in size. Meanwhile, Wladimir Klitschko vs Alexander Povetkin, Anthony Joshua vs Carlos Takam and Anthony Joshua vs Alexander Povetkin were / will be boring, non-entertaining and unwatchable mismatches due to the insane size differences between the competitors. It's ridiculous that this problem is still going on and super heavyweights get credit for beating up small men they should really be squashing like bugs / ants / insects and as if they are meant to even be credible fights.

What do we have to do to get you to stop posting this nonsense? Nobody agrees with you. Help us to help you stop posting.

[Luis Fernando12]

Wladimir Klitschko vs Kubrat Pulev was a better fight in my opinion. Wlad wasn't coming off a 2 year layoff at age 41 in that fight.

Either way, that's one of the biggest reasons why there should be a super heavyweight division where super heavyweight sized boxers like Anthony Joshua, Wladimir Klitschko and Kubrat Pulev are separated from small, irrelevant and midget sized heavyweights like Carlos Takam, David Haye and Alexander Povetkin who have no business even being in today's 'SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT' landscape.

Simply because, we will continue to see the most entertaining fights when both boxers are evenly matched in terms of size. Wladimir Klitschko vs Anthony Joshua was an entertaining and a great fight because both were evenly matched in size. Same thing with Lennox Lewis vs Vitali Klitschko. Carlos TAkam vs Alexander Povetkin was also very entertaining and a great fight because both were also evenly matched in size. Meanwhile, Wladimir Klitschko vs Alexander Povetkin, Anthony Joshua vs Carlos Takam and Anthony Joshua vs Alexander Povetkin were / will be boring, non-entertaining and unwatchable mismatches due to the insane size differences between the competitors. It's ridiculous that this problem is still going on and super heavyweights get credit for beating up small men they should really be squashing like bugs / ants / insects and as if they are meant to even be credible fights.

Wlad vs Pulev came out as an one-sided mismatch though

That was mostly down to Pulev getting caught too early and not recovering. Outside of the knockdowns and the knockout of course, the fight was pretty competitive and Wladimir Klitschko wasn't as dominant with his jab or at winning the rounds as he usually is against smaller sized opponents. That fight wasn't a size mismatch.

Now compare that to Wlad vs Povetkin where Povetkin couldn't even win a single second of any round. Or Joshua vs Takam where Takam couldn't win a single round either. Because they were mismatches in terms of size and the smaller boxer has practically no chance at winning against a bigger sized ELITE opponent WHO KNOWS how to use his size advantage.

Povetkin vs Joshua will be the same! Pulev vs Joshua would be far more competitive without a doubt.

[Luis Fernando12]

Wladimir Klitschko vs Kubrat Pulev was a better fight in my opinion. Wlad wasn't coming off a 2 year layoff at age 41 in that fight.

Either way, that's one of the biggest reasons why there should be a super heavyweight division where super heavyweight sized boxers like Anthony Joshua, Wladimir Klitschko and Kubrat Pulev are separated from small, irrelevant and midget sized heavyweights like Carlos Takam, David Haye and Alexander Povetkin who have no business even being in today's 'SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT' landscape.

Simply because, we will continue to see the most entertaining fights when both boxers are evenly matched in terms of size. Wladimir Klitschko vs Anthony Joshua was an entertaining and a great fight because both were evenly matched in size. Same thing with Lennox Lewis vs Vitali Klitschko. Carlos TAkam vs Alexander Povetkin was also very entertaining and a great fight because both were also evenly matched in size. Meanwhile, Wladimir Klitschko vs Alexander Povetkin, Anthony Joshua vs Carlos Takam and Anthony Joshua vs Alexander Povetkin were / will be boring, non-entertaining and unwatchable mismatches due to the insane size differences between the competitors. It's ridiculous that this problem is still going on and super heavyweights get credit for beating up small men they should really be squashing like bugs / ants / insects and as if they are meant to even be credible fights.

What do we have to do to get you to stop posting this nonsense? Nobody agrees with you. Help us to help you stop posting.

Feel free to offer a rebuttal!

[man]

Wladimir Klitschko vs Kubrat Pulev was a better fight in my opinion.

no. you don't really believe that.

[Luis Fernando12]

Wladimir Klitschko vs Kubrat Pulev was a better fight in my opinion.

no. you don't really believe that.

Oh yes I do! Just because that fight wasn't as hyped up by the Western (especially the British) media and fans, doesn't mean that fight between two Eastern Europeans wasn't also great either.

Wladimir Klitschko wasn't 41 years old and coming off a 2 year lay off against Kubrat Pulev. Wladimir Klitschko vs Anthony Joshua looked entertaining because it was a competitive fight. Which was down to Wladimir Klitschko being shot, ring rusty and his timing being off due to the long lay off and due to being 41 years of age. A younger and a more active Wlad would've finished off Joshua in the 6th round when he had him down.

Wladimir Klitschko's performance against Pulev was far better and superior. That was closer to his best than his performance against Joshua.

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Wladimir Klitschko vs Kubrat Pulev was a better fight in my opinion.

no. you don't really believe that.

Oh yes I do! Just because that fight wasn't as hyped up by the Western (especially the British) media and fans, doesn't mean that fight between two Eastern Europeans wasn't also great either.

Wladimir Klitschko wasn't 41 years old and coming off a 2 year lay off against Kubrat Pulev. Wladimir Klitschko vs Anthony Joshua looked entertaining because it was a competitive fight. Which was down to Wladimir Klitschko being shot, ring rusty and his timing being off due to the long lay off and due to being 41 years of age. A younger and a more active Wlad would've finished off Joshua in the 6th round when he had him down.

Wladimir Klitschko's performance against Pulev was far better and superior. That was closer to his best than his performance against Joshua.

Whatever level Klitschko was at at the time of the two fights, I'd say an evenly matched back and forth fight, where you can't predict the winner EASILY beats a one-sided beatdown by a prime elite fighter over someone a clear level or two below.

The Pulev fight was one of Wlad's best performances, but you knew the winner right from the first bell.

[Rob3_142]

Wladimir Klitschko vs Kubrat Pulev was a better fight in my opinion. Wlad wasn't coming off a 2 year layoff at age 41 in that fight.

Either way, that's one of the biggest reasons why there should be a super heavyweight division where super heavyweight sized boxers like Anthony Joshua, Wladimir Klitschko and Kubrat Pulev are separated from small, irrelevant and midget sized heavyweights like Carlos Takam, David Haye and Alexander Povetkin who have no business even being in today's 'SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT' landscape.

Simply because, we will continue to see the most entertaining fights when both boxers are evenly matched in terms of size. Wladimir Klitschko vs Anthony Joshua was an entertaining and a great fight because both were evenly matched in size. Same thing with Lennox Lewis vs Vitali Klitschko. Carlos TAkam vs Alexander Povetkin was also very entertaining and a great fight because both were also evenly matched in size. Meanwhile, Wladimir Klitschko vs Alexander Povetkin, Anthony Joshua vs Carlos Takam and Anthony Joshua vs Alexander Povetkin were / will be boring, non-entertaining and unwatchable mismatches due to the insane size differences between the competitors. It's ridiculous that this problem is still going on and super heavyweights get credit for beating up small men they should really be squashing like bugs / ants / insects and as if they are meant to even be credible fights.

Can one of the moderators please remove this clown?

[gilgamesh]

Wladimir Klitschko vs Kubrat Pulev was a better fight in my opinion. Wlad wasn't coming off a 2 year layoff at age 41 in that fight.

Either way, that's one of the biggest reasons why there should be a super heavyweight division where super heavyweight sized boxers like Anthony Joshua, Wladimir Klitschko and Kubrat Pulev are separated from small, irrelevant and midget sized heavyweights like Carlos Takam, David Haye and Alexander Povetkin who have no business even being in today's 'SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT' landscape.

Simply because, we will continue to see the most entertaining fights when both boxers are evenly matched in terms of size. Wladimir Klitschko vs Anthony Joshua was an entertaining and a great fight because both were evenly matched in size. Same thing with Lennox Lewis vs Vitali Klitschko. Carlos TAkam vs Alexander Povetkin was also very entertaining and a great fight because both were also evenly matched in size. Meanwhile, Wladimir Klitschko vs Alexander Povetkin, Anthony Joshua vs Carlos Takam and Anthony Joshua vs Alexander Povetkin were / will be boring, non-entertaining and unwatchable mismatches due to the insane size differences between the competitors. It's ridiculous that this problem is still going on and super heavyweights get credit for beating up small men they should really be squashing like bugs / ants / insects and as if they are meant to even be credible fights.

Can one of the moderators please remove this clown?

For what? I disagree with his opinion that we need a Super Heavyweight division, but that's not grounds to remove him.

How about you just disagree with somebody, and move on. It's not hard.

[funso banjo baby]

it was a good fight indeed.

not an all time classic but definitely entertaining

credit to Joshua for fighting the way he does.

but, significantly, credit to Wlad for one of the most honest performances of his career, he came to fight

[Kalan]

Wladimir Klitschko vs Kubrat Pulev was a better fight in my opinion. Wlad wasn't coming off a 2 year layoff at age 41 in that fight.

Either way, that's one of the biggest reasons why there should be a super heavyweight division where super heavyweight sized boxers like Anthony Joshua, Wladimir Klitschko and Kubrat Pulev are separated from small, irrelevant and midget sized heavyweights like Carlos Takam, David Haye and Alexander Povetkin who have no business even being in today's 'SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT' landscape.

Simply because, we will continue to see the most entertaining fights when both boxers are evenly matched in terms of size. Wladimir Klitschko vs Anthony Joshua was an entertaining and a great fight because both were evenly matched in size. Same thing with Lennox Lewis vs Vitali Klitschko. Carlos TAkam vs Alexander Povetkin was also very entertaining and a great fight because both were also evenly matched in size. Meanwhile, Wladimir Klitschko vs Alexander Povetkin, Anthony Joshua vs Carlos Takam and Anthony Joshua vs Alexander Povetkin were / will be boring, non-entertaining and unwatchable mismatches due to the insane size differences between the competitors. It's ridiculous that this problem is still going on and super heavyweights get credit for beating up small men they should really be squashing like bugs / ants / insects and as if they are meant to even be credible fights.

Wlad vs Pulev came out as an one-sided mismatch though

Yes....it was a mismatch which made it uninteresting... There also was a tremendous amount of clinching and rabbit punching... It wasn't a cleanly fought fight and Kubrat didn't do anything... Joshua-Klitschko was an all-time classic.

[Rob3_142]

Wladimir Klitschko vs Kubrat Pulev was a better fight in my opinion. Wlad wasn't coming off a 2 year layoff at age 41 in that fight.

Either way, that's one of the biggest reasons why there should be a super heavyweight division where super heavyweight sized boxers like Anthony Joshua, Wladimir Klitschko and Kubrat Pulev are separated from small, irrelevant and midget sized heavyweights like Carlos Takam, David Haye and Alexander Povetkin who have no business even being in today's 'SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT' landscape.

Simply because, we will continue to see the most entertaining fights when both boxers are evenly matched in terms of size. Wladimir Klitschko vs Anthony Joshua was an entertaining and a great fight because both were evenly matched in size. Same thing with Lennox Lewis vs Vitali Klitschko. Carlos TAkam vs Alexander Povetkin was also very entertaining and a great fight because both were also evenly matched in size. Meanwhile, Wladimir Klitschko vs Alexander Povetkin, Anthony Joshua vs Carlos Takam and Anthony Joshua vs Alexander Povetkin were / will be boring, non-entertaining and unwatchable mismatches due to the insane size differences between the competitors. It's ridiculous that this problem is still going on and super heavyweights get credit for beating up small men they should really be squashing like bugs / ants / insects and as if they are meant to even be credible fights.

Can one of the moderators please remove this clown?

For what? I disagree with his opinion that we need a Super Heavyweight division, but that's not grounds to remove him.

How about you just disagree with somebody, and move on. It's not hard.

I do. On every thread that includes any mention of a heavyweight. He's clogging up and trolling very good discussion boards with long and meaningless posts.

[Ilya Muromets]

That fight was a lesson on the truth of the aphorism "never put off until tomorrow what you can do today". Joshua was dead on his feet and instead of finishing him off Wlad said, "Oh bother, what's the rush? Ill do it next round. He probably won't even come out for the next round."

[MrGuy]

Wladimir Klitschko vs Kubrat Pulev was a better fight in my opinion. Wlad wasn't coming off a 2 year layoff at age 41 in that fight.

Either way, that's one of the biggest reasons why there should be a super heavyweight division where super heavyweight sized boxers like Anthony Joshua, Wladimir Klitschko and Kubrat Pulev are separated from small, irrelevant and midget sized heavyweights like Carlos Takam, David Haye and Alexander Povetkin who have no business even being in today's 'SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT' landscape.

Simply because, we will continue to see the most entertaining fights when both boxers are evenly matched in terms of size. Wladimir Klitschko vs Anthony Joshua was an entertaining and a great fight because both were evenly matched in size. Same thing with Lennox Lewis vs Vitali Klitschko. Carlos TAkam vs Alexander Povetkin was also very entertaining and a great fight because both were also evenly matched in size. Meanwhile, Wladimir Klitschko vs Alexander Povetkin, Anthony Joshua vs Carlos Takam and Anthony Joshua vs Alexander Povetkin were / will be boring, non-entertaining and unwatchable mismatches due to the insane size differences between the competitors. It's ridiculous that this problem is still going on and super heavyweights get credit for beating up small men they should really be squashing like bugs / ants / insects and as if they are meant to even be credible fights.

Wlad vs Pulev came out as an one-sided mismatch though

That was mostly down to Pulev getting caught too early and not recovering. Outside of the knockdowns and the knockout of course, the fight was pretty competitive and Wladimir Klitschko wasn't as dominant with his jab or at winning the rounds as he usually is against smaller sized opponents. That fight wasn't a size mismatch.

Now compare that to Wlad vs Povetkin where Povetkin couldn't even win a single second of any round. Or Joshua vs Takam where Takam couldn't win a single round either. Because they were mismatches in terms of size and the smaller boxer has practically no chance at winning against a bigger sized ELITE opponent WHO KNOWS how to use his size advantage.

Povetkin vs Joshua will be the same! Pulev vs Joshua would be far more competitive without a doubt.

Should they have eliminated larger heavies when Tyson and Holyfield thrashing them? Povetkin was rode around the ring the entire fight. The guy was grabbed after most of Wlads punches before he could retaliate. Didn't Wlad grab and push down on Haye every chance he got? Is excessive clinching and constantly pushing down on your opponent effective use of your size? Thought it was illegal.

[Rob3_142]

Should they have eliminated larger heavies when Tyson and Holyfield thrashing them? Povetkin was rode around the ring the entire fight. The guy was grabbed after most of Wlads punches before he could retaliate. Didn't Wlad grab and push down on Haye every chance he got? Is excessive clinching and constantly pushing down on your opponent effective use of your size? Thought it was illegal.

There seems to be an inconsistency on the ruling surrounding clinching/holding. I'm of the belief that it's down to the referees discretion - which personally is not good enough. The Tom Schwartz performance last weekend was about as textbook borderline cheating that you can get. I'd like to see it policed a bit more closely, as smaller guys are unable to establish a game plan. This would help reduce the size dynamic in fights.

[MrGuy]

Should they have eliminated larger heavies when Tyson and Holyfield thrashing them? Povetkin was rode around the ring the entire fight. The guy was grabbed after most of Wlads punches before he could retaliate. Didn't Wlad grab and push down on Haye every chance he got? Is excessive clinching and constantly pushing down on your opponent effective use of your size? Thought it was illegal.

There seems to be an inconsistency on the ruling surrounding clinching/holding. I'm of the belief that it's down to the referees discretion - which personally is not good enough. The Tom Schwartz performance last weekend was about as textbook borderline cheating that you can get. I'd like to see it policed a bit more closely, as smaller guys are unable to establish a game plan. This would help reduce the size dynamic in fights.

[Mexi-Box]

I think the division should get an overhaul with the clinching before separating it out. Povetkin had no chance to get any kind of offense running because Klitschko literally broke so many damn rules without repercussion. It would've been nice to see Povetkin get a fair chance. On the plus side, the version of Povetkin that Klitschko fought was a bit of a lazy fighter.

He was soft as hell for the biggest fight of his life. Then he came back against Charr looking like a beast and went on that impressive knockout spree.

[KiwiRider]

That fight was a lesson on the truth of the aphorism "never put off until tomorrow what you can do today". Joshua was dead on his feet and instead of finishing him off Wlad said, "Oh bother, what's the rush? Ill do it next round. He probably won't even come out for the next round."

That's what I was thinking the second time I watched it. Why Wlad didn't finish him we will never know. He wasn't tired, and AJ was all over the place. After the second wstch I concluded AJ was lucky to win that fight, in fact, I would go so far as to say Wlad lost it.

[caldo2025]

It certainly was one of the best Heavyweight fights that I've ever seen but I don't think it's a reason to crap on other fights like Ali-Frazier III. The Thriller in Manilla saw two all time greats champions battle and beat each other close to death in 100 degree heat. The back and forth in that fight was amazing and to me far better than what we saw in Wlad/AJ but that's my opinion.

[man]

It certainly was one of the best Heavyweight fights that I've ever seen but I don't think it's a reason to crap on other fights like Ali-Frazier III. The Thriller in Manilla saw two all time greats champions battle and beat each other close to death in 100 degree heat. The back and forth in that fight was amazing and to me far better than what we saw in Wlad/AJ but that's my opinion.

absolutely agree.