Alexander Povetkin vs. Jarrell Miller.

[VG_Addict]

Winner gets to fight Joshua.

Both of them are come-forward fighters without a lot of head movement.

Can the bigger Miller use his size and workrate to beat the older Povetkin?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Winner gets to fight Joshua.

Both of them are come-forward fighters without a lot of head movement.

Can the bigger Miller use his size and workrate to beat the older Povetkin?

I think Miller has been made mandatory for the Regular belt..

Povetkin is mandatory for the Super belt.

Doubt this fight will get made... UNLESS..

[SenorPipino]

I would love to see it.

I really don't care about these belts and who's a mandatory for what.

That always seems to come up in these discussions and has a way of derailing compelling fights.

It's helping to ruin boxing. Everyone jockeys around challenges to preserve status.

If the ubiquitous belts are so important to these fighters, earn a shot at them by upending othere contenders.

Don't wait on the sanctioning bodies to bestow these mandatory honors on you.

But R-RKO is probably right that it won't be made as long as those mandatory carrots are being dangled.

[Evander]

Can't say I was impressed with Miller against Duhaupas.
Miller got air time and good for him, he's a big guy at 300 +, likeable person I've seen his interviews.
His boxing ability is appalling, his punches fly all over the place and he doesn't even attempt to get leverage in his shots ... they're arm blows.
Jarrell needs someone to take him up a level, keep the same crew but he has to bring an expert in of some kind or he's setting himself up as an opponent for the elite to feed off.

[Mexi-Box]

Povetkin puts a beating on Miller. Not impressed with Miller at all. Wach would've probably beaten him had he not injured himself and came into the fight in any shape at all.

[candyslim]

Can't agree with your assessment guys. I think Miller is a skillful fighter and too much for Povetkin at this stage of his career.

I do agree that Miller tends to arm punch though, but if he ever learns to deliver those shots with 300ilb of prime beef behind them then watch out world!

[Evander]

Can't agree with your assessment guys. I think Miller is a skillful fighter

Really ... What did I miss ?

[candyslim]

The Duhaupas fight?

[Evander]

What part ?

[KiwiRider]

Can't say I was impressed with Miller against Duhaupas.
Miller got air time and good for him, he's a big guy at 300 +, likeable person I've seen his interviews.
His boxing ability is appalling, his punches fly all over the place and he doesn't even attempt to get leverage in his shots ... they're arm blows.
Jarrell needs someone to take him up a level, keep the same crew but he has to bring an expert in of some kind or he's setting himself up as an opponent for the elite to feed off.

Exactly wot 'e said
Miller is going to be fed to AJ while he still has an "0", after that, his value drops in today's casuals market.

[candyslim]

All of it. For someone who's right in your face he isn't that easy to hit, his head movement is very good, takes a lot of shots on those big arms doesn't seem fazed by those that get through. His range of shots (punch variety) is excellent and he throws a lot of them. If only he punched with his weight behind them, then again there would probably be fewer of them.

I like him. After Joshua and Wilder he is right up there in the chasing pack as I see it.

[Evander]

What ^

[candyslim]

Sorry Evander what does that mean?

[Evander]

Chasing the pack, you saying he's 3rd or 4th ?

[DrDuke]

Miller showed some skills in putting punches together, but for this time his size will most likely be a disadvantage. Povetkin is faster, he won't back up, he will beat Miller to the punch, he will engage with being more successful in it. That fight can show, how really good Miller's defence is.

[candyslim]

I said on another thread I think #3 is between Miller, Ortiz, Whyte and Parker. I think time has caught up with Povetkin. He is still capable but not the force he was IMO.

[Luis Fernando12]

Time has caught up even more with Luis Ortiz, who's pretty overrated if we're being honest. H's proven very little in his amateur or pro career combined, despite boxing for decades. Has 0 gold medals in any major international amateur tournament. Has an average resume in the pros and has never been the champion.

I really don't quite get the hype with Ortiz. Everything about Ortiz seems to be based on speculation, rather than actual in ring accolades and accomplishments. If Ortiz really was as good as some claim here, he'd have proven a lot more than what he has so far. At this rate, I don't even think he is better than some of the prospects out there like Sergey Kuzmin, Vladislav Sirenko, Joe Joyce, Oleksandr Teslenko and etc.

Ortiz has to be one of the most overrated heavyweights of all time for someone who is as little proven as he is.

If Ortiz continues fighting, especially against better level of opposition, I expect him to lose in the future by a wider margin than he lost to Wilder. I think Joe Joyce, Sergey Kuzmin and Vladislav Sirenko would beat Ortiz even right now.

[candyslim]

Ortiz came within a whisker of stopping Wilder despite being past his best. He won over 300 amateur fights and suffered a dozen or so losses. I think you're being a little harsh.

Nice to see you mentioning Vladislav Sirenko among the usual suspects. I think he might be one to watch but he generally flies a little under the radar compored to those others you listed. Since he's based in South Africa I'd like to see him fight Ruann Visser but I don't suppose it'll happen.

You didn't mention Hrgovic who is usually cited as one of those most likely to succeed.

[candyslim]

Miller showed some skills in putting punches together, but for this time his size will most likely be a disadvantage. Povetkin is faster, he won't back up, he will beat Miller to the punch, he will engage with being more successful in it. That fight can show, how really good Miller's defence is.

I don't think he is faster Doc. Sasha is 38 now, getting to be an old fellah. People look at Miller and see a fat man who is slow and out of shape. I think he is deceptively quick, and very light on his feet for such a big man. He's not even particularly fat - as someone said the other day (Kalan?) No fatter than Joe Frazier just 80lbs bigger.

I've been a big admire of the Vityaz man but I honestly think Miller steam-rollers him. Maybe if Povetkin were what he was a couple of years back it might be a different story, but I'm not even sure about that.

I'm going to look pretty silly if Miller falls on his face aren't I?

[DrDuke]

Miller showed some skills in putting punches together, but for this time his size will most likely be a disadvantage. Povetkin is faster, he won't back up, he will beat Miller to the punch, he will engage with being more successful in it. That fight can show, how really good Miller's defence is.

I don't think he is faster Doc. Sasha is 38 now, getting to be an old fellah. People look at Miller and see a fat man who is slow and out of shape. I think he is deceptively quick, and very light on his feet for such a big man. He's not even particularly fat - as someone said the other day (Kalan?) No fatter than Joe Frazier just 80lbs bigger.

I've been a big admire of the Vityaz man but I honestly think Miller steam-rollers him. Maybe if Povetkin were what he was a couple of years back it might be a different story, but I'm not even sure about that.

I'm going to look pretty silly if Miller falls on his face aren't I?

Yes, Povetkin is aging, but he hasn't shown significant marks of decline for the moment. And Miller, of couse, isn't as slow as it usually appears to be with guys of such size, but he still looks sluggish.

[Enlightened-One]

Why should Miller and Povetkin consider facing each other at this precise moment in time when both men are in line for a lucrative title shot?

[DrDuke]

Why should Miller and Povetkin consider facing each other at this precise moment in time when both men are in line for a lucrative title shot?

There was some talk about Povetkin fighting for WBA and nothing else, so Joshua apparently must vacate, if he chooses another fight (reasonably it can be only Wilder). Then there's an opportunity of Povetkin-Miller bout for the title.

[Enlightened-One]

Why should Miller and Povetkin consider facing each other at this precise moment in time when both men are in line for a lucrative title shot?

There was some talk about Povetkin fighting for WBA and nothing else, so Joshua apparently must vacate, if he chooses another fight (reasonably it can be only Wilder). Then there's an opportunity of Povetkin-Miller bout for the title.

Technically-speaking, you're right, but Eddie Hearn has limited the scope of AJ's next opponents to Wilder, Povetkin and Miller (in that order of preference), which means that the likelihood of Joshua vacating the WBA strap hasn't even been considered (yet).

[Luis Fernando12]

Luis Ortiz has had over 300 amateur + pro bouts. But what exactly has he proven that suggests he is any better than say, Kubrat Pulev or some of the other boxers who he is rated ahead of? I don't even rate him above Kubrat Pulev at this stage.

The other so called 'top 3 members are overrated. I would already favor some of the prospects such as Joe Joyce, Vladyslav Sirenko, Filip Hrgovic, Evgeny Romanov and Oleksandr Teslenko to beat the overrated Dillian Whyte, Luis Ortiz, Joseph Parker and the GROSSLY OVERRATED Jarrell Miller who has very little to no boxing skills whatsoever. Vladyslav Sirenko would steamroll clowns like Miller and Ortiz.

As for Povetkin, after seeing him being made to look like a light heavyweight by Wladimir Klitschko. I don't even consider him to be a legitimate or a credible heavyweight in today's heavyweight landscape. He is fighting at least one, if not two weight divisions above his natural weight class. And if the likes of Joshua aren't able to beat him with no difficulties whatsoever, it'd speak volumes about Povetkin, Joshua or both in terms of their qualities. Povetkin lacks the physical strength and size to be a respectable heavyweight today.

The idea that Miller has any skills above average is totally absurd. Has horrible punch technique and mechanics. Has horrible punch placement, accuracy and timing. Cheats by holding and hitting, rabbit punching and etc. Relies on mainly size to overwhelm his weaker and smaller opponents.

He isn't 'steamrolling' anybody who is sufficiently big and has above average boxing skills.

[candyslim]

Ortix destroyed Bryant Jennings and almost beat Deontay Wilder despite being officially 39 and very likely a good deal older. Kubrat Pulev has been a fine boxer with a superb jab and a very good chin (and surprisingly throws a pretty decent body shot) but what has he done recently to suggest he is top 6 in the world?

He hasn't beaten any top fighter in years and he seems to be lacking any kind of desire to attempt to. I concede i may be doing him an injustice regarding his ambition, but I doubt it. Joyce will very soon be ready for these guys and Hrgovic, Kuzmin and Teslenko too I shouldn't wonder, but how you can make a claim tht Sirenko would "steamroll clowns like Miller and Ortiz" at this stage of his career, leaves me shaking my head. What on earth do you base that assessment on, what have you seen of Sirenko makes you believe that?

I grant you Evgeniy Romanov was a fine amateur and is a decent prospect if I can use that term of someone who is Wilder's age. He has a good win over the tough and decent journeyman Denis Bakhtov whom i respect, but who got beaten by Arnold Gjergjaj just to get that in perspective, but the guy (Romanov) is only 6' feet tall. There are heavyweights of his stature that have made their mark at heavyweight but I'd expect you out of all the posters on boxrec to appreciate that he is at a very distinct disadvantage.

And there you go slating Povetkin again even though he is two inches taller than Romanov, because of his physical attributes. You are a self-proclaimed massive fan of Povetkin yet apart from Caldo I can't think of any poster on boxrec that affords him such little respect.

There are times when I think you are a good bloke that knows his stuff and can express himself well, and then you go and come out with stuff which makes me despair and wonder why I continue to exchange words with you. You seem to me to be a mass of contradictions.