Lennox Lewis vs Anthony Joshua

[Cojimar 1946]

Thought it deserved it's own thread. Who would win Lennox Lewis of 1994 or Anthony Joshua of 2018?

[DrDuke]

I actually pick both early Lewis and upgraded by Steward Lewis over Joshua, but, of course, against 1994 version Joshua had more chances.

[Kalan]

Lewis got nailed by jabs and big straight rights throughout his career by taller boxers....

Even the inept Mavrovic was able to hit Lewis and go the distance.. Vitali Klitschko outlanded Lewis by a ton and was winning on all scorecards at the end of 6 rounds... Lewis fought very few tall Heavyweights who could jab and throw sharp right hands... Unlike Lennox Lewis in his career, Joshua fought ATG Wladimir Klitschko... Klitschko had superb skills but was still out-boxed and out punched by a Joshua who had only 18 fights and was still learning.

Lewis out-boxed virtually NOBODY who was 6'6" X 250... Joshua is much faster and a more precise puncher... He would easily out jab Lewis and and catch him with right hand counters... Joshua would knock Lewis out if he caught him with a big right hand like McCall and Rahman did.... Or he would easily out-box Lewis over 12 rounds if it went to the scorecards...

Joshua won the Super Stars Competition and Lewis refused to participate... Joshua is the much better athlete.

[DrDuke]

Klitschko had superb skills but was still out-boxed

I won't comment all your wet dreams, as they are just to be laughed at, but particularly this is a hard distortion of facts.

[man]

Thought it deserved it's own thread. Who would win Lennox Lewis of 1994 or Anthony Joshua of 2018?

we tend to forget that lewis did not always
look great. having said that i still think lewis
on his best night beats joshua possibly not
with too much difficulty. in the end lennox
was very smart in a competitive way.

[man]

Klitschko had superb skills but was still out-boxed and out punched by a Joshua.

i don't think that is an accurate
description of that night.

[Kalan]

Klitschko had superb skills but was still out-boxed

I won't comment all your wet dreams, as they are just to be laughed at, but particularly this is a hard distortion of facts.

You have wet dreams lad... Klitschko is recognized as a superb boxer and ATG Heavyweight Champion... So what distortion of facts??? Lewis was knocked out twice and you don't need superb skills to get your ass handed to you. Lewis was knocked out in his mid-30's -- at a time his skills were supposed to be at his zenith and he'd been with Steward for many years.

[Kalan]

Klitschko had superb skills but was still out-boxed and out punched by a Joshua.

i don't think that is an accurate
description of that night.

Did Klitschko show superb skills or not??? .... Who was winning on the cards going into the 11th??? ... The 11th was shaping up to being a 3-point round for Joshua, with 2 knockdowns -- making him way up on 2 cards and winning on all 3.

What's your description of the fight?

[DrDuke]

The thing is, Klitschko indeed possessed superb skills and he was showing them almost the whole fight against Joshua. The first 4 rounds it was an even fight. The 5th and the 6th provided an exchange of the knockdowns and from the 6th it was all Klitschko's fight. Actually Wlad even was better after he got up in the 5th, but formally he lost that round due to going down. From that moment Wlad was dominating until the 11th, when he was caught.

[gilgamesh]

I'd favor Lennox in this fight. He has a more versatile arsenal, and more wrinkles to his game.

[DrDuke]

I'd favor Lennox in this fight. He has a more versatile arsenal, and more wrinkles to his game.

That's true.

[Kalan]

I'd favor Lennox in this fight. He has a more versatile arsenal, and more wrinkles to his game.

That's true.

That's BS.... You have to do more than make nonsensical assertions... Exactly WHAT did Lewis have in his arsenal to make it more versatile? .... What ingenious wrinkles did he have in his game beyond brawling, grabbing, and fouling?

Joshua definitely has a better left hook to the body and a better body attack... Lewis was very awkward and sloppy going to the body... Joshua definitely throws sharper multi-punch combinations which include uppercuts... The only uppercuts Lewis generally threw were singles....sometimes followed by a left hook but seldom... Lewis would often grab and lean all over smaller fighters a la Wladimir... That wouldn't work with Joshua -- he'd be running into smashing left hooks and right hands when he tried that like Klitschko did... Joshua didn't let Klitschko grab.. Lewis would be out of luck.

From the outside Lewis's jab could be timed like McCall timed it... Vitali timed it with big rights in the first 2 rounds before he was half blinded.. Joshua has the best right counter of of any Heavyweight this Century.. Lewis would be toast.

The jab is a more polished weapon with Joshua... His strategy vs Parker was dominating with the jab, which he did.

Finally, Joshua has a better defense... He slips and ducks punches with more poise ... especially showing these skills when he was hurt by Wladimir and needed to avoid Klitschko's follow up effort to take him out.

[DrDuke]

I'd favor Lennox in this fight. He has a more versatile arsenal, and more wrinkles to his game.

That's true.

That's BS.... You have to do more than make nonsensical assertions... Exactly WHAT did Lewis have in his arsenal to make it more versatile? .... What ingenious wrinkles did he have in his game beyond brawling, grabbing, and fouling?

Joshua definitely has a better left hook to the body and a better body attack... Lewis was very awkward and sloppy going to the body... Joshua definitely throws sharper multi-punch combinations which include uppercuts... The only uppercuts Lewis generally threw were singles....sometimes followed by a left hook but seldom... Lewis would often grab and lean all over smaller fighters a la Wladimir... That wouldn't work with Joshua -- he'd be running into smashing left hooks and right hands when he tried that like Klitschko did... Joshua didn't let Klitschko grab.. Lewis would be out of luck.

From the outside Lewis's jab could be timed like McCall timed it... Vitali timed it with big rights in the first 2 rounds before he was half blinded.. Joshua has the best right counter of of any Heavyweight this Century.. Lewis would be toast.

The jab is a more polished weapon with Joshua... His strategy vs Parker was dominating with the jab, which he did.

Finally, Joshua has a better defense... He slips and ducks punches with more poise ... especially showing these skills when he was hurt by Wladimir and needed to avoid Klitschko's follow up effort to take him out.

[Seamus]

Lewis would land an overhand right early and he would hit Joshua alot harder than he's ever been hit in his career. Prime Lennox would finish what Old Klitschko couldn't. I think this one ends early after Lewis scores a couple knockdowns around the 4th or 5th.

[Kalan]

That's true.

That's BS.... You have to do more than make nonsensical assertions... Exactly WHAT did Lewis have in his arsenal to make it more versatile? .... What ingenious wrinkles did he have in his game beyond brawling, grabbing, and fouling?

Joshua definitely has a better left hook to the body and a better body attack... Lewis was very awkward and sloppy going to the body... Joshua definitely throws sharper multi-punch combinations which include uppercuts... The only uppercuts Lewis generally threw were singles....sometimes followed by a left hook but seldom... Lewis would often grab and lean all over smaller fighters a la Wladimir... That wouldn't work with Joshua -- he'd be running into smashing left hooks and right hands when he tried that like Klitschko did... Joshua didn't let Klitschko grab.. Lewis would be out of luck.

From the outside Lewis's jab could be timed like McCall timed it... Vitali timed it with big rights in the first 2 rounds before he was half blinded.. Joshua has the best right counter of of any Heavyweight this Century.. Lewis would be toast.

The jab is a more polished weapon with Joshua... His strategy vs Parker was dominating with the jab, which he did.

Finally, Joshua has a better defense... He slips and ducks punches with more poise ... especially showing these skills when he was hurt by Wladimir and needed to avoid Klitschko's follow up effort to take him out.

What happened??? ... Did somebody hit you with laughing gas so you can't make a reasoned comment???

[DrDuke]

That's BS.... You have to do more than make nonsensical assertions... Exactly WHAT did Lewis have in his arsenal to make it more versatile? .... What ingenious wrinkles did he have in his game beyond brawling, grabbing, and fouling?

Joshua definitely has a better left hook to the body and a better body attack... Lewis was very awkward and sloppy going to the body... Joshua definitely throws sharper multi-punch combinations which include uppercuts... The only uppercuts Lewis generally threw were singles....sometimes followed by a left hook but seldom... Lewis would often grab and lean all over smaller fighters a la Wladimir... That wouldn't work with Joshua -- he'd be running into smashing left hooks and right hands when he tried that like Klitschko did... Joshua didn't let Klitschko grab.. Lewis would be out of luck.

From the outside Lewis's jab could be timed like McCall timed it... Vitali timed it with big rights in the first 2 rounds before he was half blinded.. Joshua has the best right counter of of any Heavyweight this Century.. Lewis would be toast.

The jab is a more polished weapon with Joshua... His strategy vs Parker was dominating with the jab, which he did.

Finally, Joshua has a better defense... He slips and ducks punches with more poise ... especially showing these skills when he was hurt by Wladimir and needed to avoid Klitschko's follow up effort to take him out.

What happened??? ... Did somebody hit you with laughing gas so you can't make a reasoned comment???

No, I just find funny, how you go from one thread to another writing, how superb Joshua is, attributing him a masterful display of every known boxing skill.

[Kalan]

Why? Are there unknown skills he has to master?

And I don't do that... AJ can and will get better because he's 28... But Lewis had major flaws and Joshua doesn't.

[Kalan]

Lewis would land an overhand right early and he would hit Joshua alot harder than he's ever been hit in his career. Prime Lennox would finish what Old Klitschko couldn't. I think this one ends early after Lewis scores a couple knockdowns around the 4th or 5th.

I find those comments rather ridiculous since Lewis showed susceptibility to big right hands throughout his career and was TWICE taken out by big right hands... Vitali had Lewis rocking and rolling all over the ring with big rights to the chin in the first 2 rounds -- easily winning them... He was certain to find the mark if he hadn't been outrageously fouled and cut.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtdOteT5G0Q

[DrDuke]

Why? Are there unknown skills he has to master?

And I don't do that... AJ can and will get better because he's 28... But Lewis had major flaws and Joshua doesn't.

Cause he obviously (but not for you) doesn't masterfully possess every skill. And sometimes he even can't figure out, which of them should be displayed in the given moment. You finally made a correct statement with telling, that he is developing. That is actually something I was telling you in some other thread, as you seemingly don't remember it.

[Kalan]

The deal is this dude.... You're trying to pretend that you know more about the game than Joshua – who’s been a full time professional for 6 years and boxed several years as an amateur winning top honors in the sport BOTH as an amateur and a professional. You have no more idea about what punch Joshua should be using at a given instant than the man in the moon. He has a better idea than you.

Lewis had much farther to go than Joshua skill wise. Lewis's defense was full of holes. Rahman, McCall, and Vitali exposed his weaknesses. His punch selection wasn't that great because he'd often get countered right in the face. Joshua dominated Parker with the jab and his previous 2 fights with combinations. Although Wlad did well during the middle rounds of the fight – it’s much more important to do well early and late and Joshua owned those rounds. His body attack on Wladimir broke the man down. Wald had no such skill to draw on.

Neither did Lewis... LL's body attack was almost as lame as Wladimir’s... EVERY boxer is developing ... as none is perfect.

[DrDuke]

The deal is this dude.... You're trying to pretend that you know more about the game than Joshua – who’s been a full time professional for 6 years and boxed several years as an amateur winning top honors in the sport BOTH as an amateur and a professional. You have no more idea about what punch Joshua should be using at a given instant than the man in the moon. He has a better idea than you.

Lewis had much farther to go than Joshua skill wise. Lewis's defense was full of holes. Rahman, McCall, and Vitali exposed his weaknesses. His punch selection wasn't that great because he'd often get countered right in the face. Joshua dominated Parker with the jab and his previous 2 fights with combinations. Although Wlad did well during the middle rounds of the fight – it’s much more important to do well early and late and Joshua owned those rounds. His body attack on Wladimir broke the man down. Wald had no such skill to draw on.

Neither did Lewis... LL's body attack was almost as lame as Wladimir’s. EVERY boxer is developing ... as none is perfect.

You don't need to be a cook to judge how good the dish is. The same is here. I'm not trying to pretend, that I know better about boxing, than a top level boxer. But there are some visible flaws, you don't try to look more aware of the game, if you mention them. Maybe different analysts and observers should shut up and we all should stop commeting, cause boxers know better? Of course, no.

Lewis' biggest trouble was his periodical lack of motivation, looking through opponents. That just what was with Rahman, McCall, and Vitali. And you should remember, what has happened in the rematches with two of them.

[ewenhay]

Joshua has a punchers chance but he can only dream of being the athlete Lewis was and the boxing technician that Lewis became.

Joshua would be completely befuddled.... Unless he landed a big shot which there is always the outside chance of against Lewis.

[Kalan]

The deal is this dude.... You're trying to pretend that you know more about the game than Joshua – who’s been a full time professional for 6 years and boxed several years as an amateur winning top honors in the sport BOTH as an amateur and a professional. You have no more idea about what punch Joshua should be using at a given instant than the man in the moon. He has a better idea than you.

Lewis had much farther to go than Joshua skill wise. Lewis's defense was full of holes. Rahman, McCall, and Vitali exposed his weaknesses. His punch selection wasn't that great because he'd often get countered right in the face. Joshua dominated Parker with the jab and his previous 2 fights with combinations. Although Wlad did well during the middle rounds of the fight – it’s much more important to do well early and late and Joshua owned those rounds. His body attack on Wladimir broke the man down. Wald had no such skill to draw on.

Neither did Lewis... LL's body attack was almost as lame as Wladimir’s. EVERY boxer is developing ... as none is perfect.

You don't need to be a cook to judge how good the dish is. The same is here. I'm not trying to pretend, that I know better about boxing, than a top level boxer. But there are some visible flaws, you don't try to look more aware of the game, if you mention them. Maybe different analysts and observers should shut up and we all should stop commeting, cause boxers know better? Of course, no.

Lewis' biggest trouble was his periodical lack of motivation, looking through opponents. That just what was with Rahman, McCall, and Vitali. And you should remember, what has happened in the rematches with two of them.

Lewis didn't have the professionalism and drive of Joshua to be sure...

Yes I remember the rematches.... Rahman was 2nd rater to begin with... There was no possibility of him beating anyone like Lewis twice -- anymore than winning two 300,000,000 dollar lottery jackpots with 2 tickets.

McCall had the technical ability to beat Lewis... But he was an emotional crybaby if he lacked a coach like Emanuel Steward... He broke down and started crying when he saw Steward in the opposite corner ... give me a break.

And you don't have to be a cook to sample the dish... But you need active taste buds, a good set of nostrils, and a discriminating palate... I fear you don't have any of those if you can't tell Joshua is a more complete boxer than Lewis, who got hit with everything... Lewis was a slop house puncher at times....even a brawler.

[DrDuke]

The deal is this dude.... You're trying to pretend that you know more about the game than Joshua – who’s been a full time professional for 6 years and boxed several years as an amateur winning top honors in the sport BOTH as an amateur and a professional. You have no more idea about what punch Joshua should be using at a given instant than the man in the moon. He has a better idea than you.

Lewis had much farther to go than Joshua skill wise. Lewis's defense was full of holes. Rahman, McCall, and Vitali exposed his weaknesses. His punch selection wasn't that great because he'd often get countered right in the face. Joshua dominated Parker with the jab and his previous 2 fights with combinations. Although Wlad did well during the middle rounds of the fight – it’s much more important to do well early and late and Joshua owned those rounds. His body attack on Wladimir broke the man down. Wald had no such skill to draw on.

Neither did Lewis... LL's body attack was almost as lame as Wladimir’s. EVERY boxer is developing ... as none is perfect.

You don't need to be a cook to judge how good the dish is. The same is here. I'm not trying to pretend, that I know better about boxing, than a top level boxer. But there are some visible flaws, you don't try to look more aware of the game, if you mention them. Maybe different analysts and observers should shut up and we all should stop commeting, cause boxers know better? Of course, no.

Lewis' biggest trouble was his periodical lack of motivation, looking through opponents. That just what was with Rahman, McCall, and Vitali. And you should remember, what has happened in the rematches with two of them.

Lewis didn't have the professionalism and drive of Joshua to be sure...

Yes I remember the rematches.... Rahman was 2nd rater to begin with... There was no possibility of him beating anyone like Lewis twice -- anymore than winning two 300,000,000 dollar lottery jackpots with 2 tickets.

McCall had the technical ability to beat Lewis... But he was an emotional crybaby if he lacked a coach like Emanuel Steward... He broke down and started crying when he saw Steward in the opposite corner ... give me a break.

And you don't have to be a cook to sample the dish... But you need active taste buds, a good set of nostrils, and a discriminating palate... I fear you don't have any of those if you can't tell Joshua is a more complete boxer than Lewis, who got hit with everything... Lewis was a slop house puncher at times....even a brawler.

That's becoming more and more amusing. And, of course, Joshua was more complete boxer, when he had found only one way to beat Klitschko by spurting recklessly.

[Kalan]

It's only amusing if you have no idea what you're looking at... Joshua fighting in spurts??? Fighting recklessly???

One way to beat Klitschko??? ... How about out-boxing and outscoring Klitschko for most of the rounds... How about knocking Klitschko down 3 times and stopping him... How about being well ahead at the finish so he could have won on points or by knockout... How about out-thinking Klitschko in the mid-rounds and escaping danger???

AJ didn't come to a gunfight with a switchblade... And he didn't get cannonaded like Lewis did... TWICE!!!