jamamb wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 22:17
ya, its a wierd fight evander, guy could fight the wbss winner (who would hold his old belt) for the undisputed crown, yet instead he fights a guy whose mainly been a super middleweight , and never fought at cruiser?
its a mutual cherry pick, ward going for bellew rather then the bigger dogs at cruiser, bellew going for ward because hes not gonna beat that type of p4p guy without a size advantage
Yeah I get the Cruiserweight angle it's a credible argument.
But I wouldn't step over a fight with Andre Ward to get to it.
the wbss winner would be far more credible a cruiser then ward would be. all the belts on the line, including bellews old one that he didnt lose in the ring.
ward hasnt even fought at cruiser and spent most his career at smw. and ward beating bellew doest get him a cruiser title or a scalp over the top dog at cruiser or anything like that.
just a strange match up, as i say its a mutual cherry pick
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how would ward be more credible at cruiser then the undisputed cruiser champ? he has zero fights there. not a reigning, undisputed, linearl cruiser champ.
and he couldve easily lost the first kov fight too, its not like hes been absolutely untoachable at 175 to the point where it overrides everything the cruisers have done. i have little doubt that a guy like gassiev would ktfo kov on one try. you have cruisers like briedis ktfoing heavyweights, light heavys aren;'t even on there rader
yes, tell me, for a cruiserweight fight, how would ward be more credible then the undisputed, lineal, cruiserweight champ
i assume the ward fight would be at cruiser
how much would we really rate it if someone like gassiev beat kovalev, barrera, and abraham? ward is excellent but coming all the way up to cruiser he doesnt have nearly the same credibility.
Evander wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 22:50
Ward would be more credible because of his experience, conditioning, opponents fought, chin, ring smarts and accuracy among others.
If (small if) bellow can get traction at HW, that's where the money will be. He should strike soon, as this was a pretty big performance for him, regardless of how Haye performed. Every fight is a potential loss for Bellew if against a HW name.
in terms of opposition, ward hasnt fought anyone at cruiser, and sullivan barrera (totally routed and stopped by bivol) is a top 2 opponent for him at lhw. and his top lhw opponent put him on his ass and arguably beat him. facing smws gives him little cruiser credibility.
and chin? gassiev, usyk, and briedies have fought at cruiser and even hw for briedies yet never been dropped. how on earth does wards chin (dropped at 175 and 160) give him more credibility? bizarre man! and theyve all shown good conditioning , usyk in particular has an excellent engine.
the undisputed, lineal, cw champ would be by far the most credible cruiser, not the guy whose had most his fights at smw and never fought at cruiser. nuts to think otherwise
Evander wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 22:50
Ward would be more credible because of his experience, conditioning, opponents fought, chin, ring smarts and accuracy among others.
If (small if) bellow can get traction at HW, that's where the money will be. He should strike soon, as this was a pretty big performance for him, regardless of how Haye performed. Every fight is a potential loss for Bellew if against a HW name.
Bellew will be after PPV level fights now. I don't think he'd pass up a shot at Joshua's title ... I think the chance to become a 2/3 (did he win the light-heavy?) weight champ would be too much of a temptation.
Other than that, I think he'd fancy getting his WBC back.
I don't think he'll fight Usyk. He'd almost certainly lose and it's not that big a money spinner. He's had his stadium fight and his PPV fights - he'll be after more of them. He's into the finishing stretch now. If Ward comes back I can see that happening.
Fury could be an interesting one but given the level of opponents mooted for the comeback I think even Bellew might be considered too risky.
Bellew will not fight out of the UK now and will only look for PPV fights. There is no chance of Ward ever fighting outside of California!
WBSS winner would be logical, if it is Usyk, then as unified champ he will hold all the cards and not very likely to come to the UK, they’d probably want it in Germany or Russia...cant see Bellew or Hearn wanting any of that.
I reckon Bellew doesnt fight until this time next year again and it will be some bullshi* rivalry with another HW again....
He’ll take a name of course, providing that name is either much smaller and/or completely shot.
Look at his recent record, a midget African with no pedigree, Flores then washed up David Haye. He was never getting involved in the super series because he knew all four semi finalists beat him and a couple would have battered him. He took the big money for Haye and he was spot on to do so. Fair play to him
Just do not expect a genuine top level, prime opponent for him next, if he continues.
The best we could hope for would be Fury. Returning from long lay off and seemingly lacking power might tempt Bellew.
Fury would punch his head in though
AJKlitschfury wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 04:23
Beat the high ranked bums, untill you fail.
Bellew himself is also 35 already.
Charles Martin, Bum Stiverne, Thomas Adamek, Christian Hammer, Lucas Browne, all boxrec top 25 heavyweight fighters, where from I think Bellew can handle them.
he's a favourite only against Stiverne and Browne imo
To be honest, i dont think the cruiserweight division is respected enough for anyone to care rather or not Ward or Bellew grabbed a belt there.
Crusierweight is about good fights. Guys in good shape putting on high level performances. Its the old heavyweight division, which has been buried under the new one.
The accolades that come with it really don't matter because they'll just tell that guy, okay good, now go do that at heavyweight.
It sounds good when counting "multi division champion" but thats more so based of having won the AND winning at Light heavy or heavy.
Its probably one of the least earning divisions above 126. I doubt he picks that route.
Picked Parker, it can be interesting and competetive. Parker isn't the champion, he isn't even the biggest contender, if he want some relatively big fight, Bellew can be good.
tigermoth87 wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 23:23
Bellew will be after PPV level fights now. I don't think he'd pass up a shot at Joshua's title ... I think the chance to become a 2/3 (did he win the light-heavy?) weight champ would be too much of a temptation.
Other than that, I think he'd fancy getting his WBC back.
I can't think of an opponent, or match I'd pay for to see Bellew.
