Yeesh you guys really can't handle somebody expressing an opinion can you?
Meh, idiotic ruining of threads with multiple posts saying the same thing is just puerile poo and keyboard warrior insults is part of what mods are supposed to clear up.
Who am I insulting? I'm defending myself against people jumping all over my case. I've insulted nobody.
gilgamesh wrote: ↑
Yeah..it is alright, and f*ck you and your stupid ass confused face emoji. I don't need you f*ckers to approve of who I like or not. Is that OK? Can you deal with that?
Meh, it just makes it a very tiny bit more of an effort to read threads when I have to actually ignore you, your foolish arguments and lack of rudimentary knowledge rather than just adding you to the ignore list like the other divs.
Respond if you wish, I’m done with this.
Again, that wasn't an insult. It was me defending myself from somebody giving me sh*t as if I did something wrong by being a fan, and having fun as a fan rooting against somebody.
But by all means be done with it because I've done nothing to apologize for.
I have no issue with Dirk or you either, but I don't owe you guys an apology just because you felt personally insulted that I enjoyed watching Haye lose. That's your problem.
There were hints of all the worst parts of Roy Jones last night.
Reflexes dulled, incredibly poor balance, timing gone and poor punch resistance. Not only that but I'm genuinely concerned after post fight that he may not be able to stop, he's always going to think he can train himself back into a big win. There are plenty of people out there willing to pay good money to exploit his name also.
For a man that always said he would give up early, my guess is he may still appear into his mid 40's.
lillywhite14 wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 02:42
He came back to pay for his divorce. Mission accomplished surely?
Mind you, all the while he can eek a few more quid out of fighting people who don’t offer serious risk, the temptation might be to carry on.
Sad end to a top fighters career. Losing to fighters who, in your prime, can’t hold your jockstrap is an age old story in boxing though, seen it all before and we’ll see it again.
I don't think it's that bad. Bellew is a little underrated in my opinion.
Perhaps. He’s overachieved as a fighter but he’s never been true world class. Hearn has worked miracles with his career with his smoke and mirrors stuff.
How would he get on in the super six or against the elite heavies? Comprehensively beaten by all, even Dorticus.
He’s almost as bad as Haye for this charade. Can understand why they did it of course but these two fights mean nothing in the world of boxing. Side show
Yes We Can wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 03:22
There were hints of all the worst parts of Roy Jones last night.
Reflexes dulled, incredibly poor balance, timing gone and poor punch resistance. Not only that but I'm genuinely concerned after post fight that he may not be able to stop, he's always going to think he can train himself back into a big win. There are plenty of people out there willing to pay good money to exploit his name also.
For a man that always said he would give up early, my guess is he may still appear into his mid 40's.
Yes We Can wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 03:22
There were hints of all the worst parts of Roy Jones last night.
Reflexes dulled, incredibly poor balance, timing gone and poor punch resistance. Not only that but I'm genuinely concerned after post fight that he may not be able to stop, he's always going to think he can train himself back into a big win. There are plenty of people out there willing to pay good money to exploit his name also.
For a man that always said he would give up early, my guess is he may still appear into his mid 40's.
Haye has always been a very confident individual. He was a really outstanding cruiserweight and when he moved up he was able to beat a big plodding 'freak' top win a version of the heavyweight title. He used his speed to dance around Klitschko but couldn't match the really big quality boxers at the weight. He then retired and should have stayed there.
His 'comeback' was simply about money, and I don't blame him for taking the chance. His 2 comeback fights were utter nonsense and anyone with the remotest knowledge of boxing knew that. I believe he pulled out of the Fury fight because he simply knew the outcome.
The Bellew fights were huge earning 'events' for him, and if thousands of people wanted to pay good money to see a washed up boxer get soundly beaten by another bulked up cruiserweight then so be it.
I've won money on both fights because I just knew that Haye's failing body couldn't take the strain of training hard for such big fights. Another indication of Haye's unsuitability to fight at heavyweight - have a look at how skinny his legs are trying to support a huge upper body.
gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 03:15you felt personally insulted that I enjoyed watching Haye lose. That's your problem.
‘Bounced off the canvas’, was it? Along those lines, no?
I've been eager to see Fury beaten conclusively for years, because as you feel about Haye, I think he needs a lesson in humility. But I wish him no serious harm or lasting injuries, and given the fatalities in recent years I'd expect others to be disappointed if I seemed to be getting off on the idea of watching him suffer repeatedly.
As most losses equate to someone getting bashed up you might think me a hypocrite, but I still have respect for him as a boxer and prefer to avoid describing his possible demise in wankbank terms. I'm not dreaming about someone drilling his mooi through the mat for the sake of my pleasure, y'know? Schadenfreude, aye, of course; I'm not exactly perfect myself. Eubank's post-Thompson transformation's more what I had in mind, where a loss is a positive in some ways.
So when you talk of wanting to see Haye lose a bunch more, what are you hoping for as the outcome?
As for the topic, I've rewatched Maccarinelli and De Mori. Against Enzo his skills really weren't that much better, but he was so much sharper in executing his strengths back then. And he wasn't as ropey against De Mori as I remembered:
That's the version I expected last night. A bit slow and clumsy, and definitely lacking his old footspeed, but where did his power go?! He didn't throw anything as vicious against Bellew as some of those shots. Obviously Bellew was a much better mover and kept making him overreach with those cement shoes, but I still see a marked contrast.
Maybe it's just down to the opposition flattering and there's no real slide, but Haye's legs don't seem to be behind his punches like that any more. Too many horribly arced hooks and overhands now, with poor timing from a square I-don't-fear-your-power, oops, maybe-I-should stance.
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gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 03:15you felt personally insulted that I enjoyed watching Haye lose. That's your problem.
‘Bounced off the canvas’, was it? Along those lines, no?
I've been eager to see Fury beaten conclusively for years, because as you feel about Haye, I think he needs a lesson in humility. But I wish him no serious harm or lasting injuries, and given the fatalities in recent years I'd expect others to be disappointed if I seemed to be getting off on the idea of watching him suffer repeatedly.
As most losses equate to someone getting bashed up you might think me a hypocrite, but I still have respect for him as a boxer and prefer to avoid describing his possible demise in wankbank terms. I'm not dreaming about someone drilling his mooi through the mat for the sake of my pleasure, y'know? Eubank's post-Thompson transformation's more what I had in mind, where a loss is a positive in some ways.
So when you talk of wanting to see Haye lose a bunch more, what are you hoping for as the outcome?
As for the topic, I've rewatched Maccarinelli and De Mori. Against Enzo his skills really weren't that much better, but he was so much sharper in executing his strengths back then. And he wasn't as ropey against De Mori as I remembered:
That's the version I expected last night. A bit slow and clumsy, and definitely lacking his old footspeed, but where did his power go?! He didn't throw anything as vicious against Bellew as some of those shots. Obviously Bellew was a much better mover and kept making him overreach with those cement shoes, but I still see a marked contrast.
Maybe it's just down to the opposition flattering and there's no real slide, but Haye's legs don't seem to be behind his punches like that any more. Too many horribly arced hooks and overhands now, with poor timing from a square, I-don't-fear-your-power, oops, maybe-I-should stance.
they talked about it lastnight he wasnt pushing off from his back foot properly thats where his power was generated from.
Haye's been conning the public for a few years now.
He knew he was finished when he came back, hence why he fought 2 car crash dummies & seriously entertained the idea of fighting 97 year old Shannon Briggs, who is probably even more shot than he is.
He fought Bellew because he thought it would be an easy knock-over of a fat cruiserweight whilst at the same time padding his retirement fund.
Unfortunately for him, the Gorilla tape that is holding his body together unravelled & he was exposed & laid bare.
It would be sad to see him continuing because he clearly has nothing to offer at the top of the HW division & he's had such a good career that seeing him as a gatekeeper/punchbag would be even sadder.
If I was advising him, I'd tell him to quite whilst he still has his wealth, health, looks & faculties intact.
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gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 03:15you felt personally insulted that I enjoyed watching Haye lose. That's your problem.
‘Bounced off the canvas’, was it? Along those lines, no?
I've been eager to see Fury beaten conclusively for years, because as you feel about Haye, I think he needs a lesson in humility. But I wish him no serious harm or lasting injuries, and given the fatalities in recent years I'd expect others to be disappointed if I seemed to be getting off on the idea of watching him suffer repeatedly.
As most losses equate to someone getting bashed up you might think me a hypocrite, but I still have respect for him as a boxer and prefer to avoid describing his possible demise in wankbank terms. I'm not dreaming about someone drilling his mooi through the mat for the sake of my pleasure, y'know? Schadenfreude, aye, of course; I'm not exactly perfect myself. Eubank's post-Thompson transformation's more what I had in mind, where a loss is a positive in some ways.
So when you talk of wanting to see Haye lose a bunch more, what are you hoping for as the outcome?
As for the topic, I've rewatched Maccarinelli and De Mori. Against Enzo his skills really weren't that much better, but he was so much sharper in executing his strengths back then. And he wasn't as ropey against De Mori as I remembered:
That's the version I expected last night. A bit slow and clumsy, and definitely lacking his old footspeed, but where did his power go?! He didn't throw anything as vicious against Bellew as some of those shots. Obviously Bellew was a much better mover and kept making him overreach with those cement shoes, but I still see a marked contrast.
Maybe it's just down to the opposition flattering and there's no real slide, but Haye's legs don't seem to be behind his punches like that any more. Too many horribly arced hooks and overhands now, with poor timing from a square I-don't-fear-your-power, oops, maybe-I-should stance.
I once called Mark De Mori a bum & an actual bum wrote to me & threatened to sue me for defamation of character; that's how bad Mark De Mori is.
My next door neighbour's cat could beat Mark De Mori & look good doing so.
It is absolutely down the level of opposition.
Haye knew he was finished when he returned in 2016.
It's no coincidence that Bellew was the first opponent he fought since returning who could actually hit him back & force him to work.
Bellew is not great, but he's competent fighter with some skills.
He pees all over Mark De Mori & Arnold Whathisname & that was the difference.
Yep the whole comeback after the 2012 returement has been a MASSIVE blag of the British public.
He beat 2 club level fighters in very quick fights which didn't expose his injuries or flaws, then jumped himself into a big PPV fight as quickly as possible with his salesman talk.
It's a shame to see Haye cheapen his name by doing these fights, all about the cash now, when in the past he had the ability to somewhat back it up, especially in his cruiser days.
I used to like Haye, but every fight he does like this tarnishes the previous achievements at cruiser and even his early HW fights were 'ok'. Klitschko onwards, well there's only been the Chisora win of any note, he's become an embarassment to himself.
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Coco wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 18:38
There are more paydays for him, Fury, Joshua etc, yes he is finished but if we wants there will be fights for him
I’m not sure there is, he’s now too unreliable. People will be expecting him to get injured pre fight or fall apart in the fight. who’s going to pay big money to get him on a card?
Rewatching the De Mori fight it looks like Hayes right ankle has been shot for the whole come back.
He definitely looks like his weight is all on his front leg, he doesn’t push off on his right hands any more, he’s throwing big over hand shots and falling in after. Just look at how badly he misses early on in the round.
Against a slow, unskilled heavyweight, standing straight in front of him he could get away with it, but against a moving target, who knew how to counter, he had no chance.
He will announce his retirement I reckon. Nowhere to go for him now especially after saying he would retire even if he struggled to beat Bellew. No point in fighting nobodies and not good enough anymore to be considered for any major fights. Too old and too fragile. All he risks doing now is losing again but in a more dramatic fashion. I hope he is sensible and doesn’t end up tarnishing his career by carrying on.
Talking massive sh*t to the Klitschko's then pulling out of the fights over and over again, and dragging on the negotiations forever only for the fight to finally come off, absolutely suck, and then he whips out his toe...f*ck that dude.
You also said this hatred of Haye was irrational.
He was a bit of a godsend at the time. Heavyweight boxing had been absolutely devoid of entertainment for years. Tell me, how often are you sat there watching replays of Ibragimov Briggs, Klitschko Johnson, Maskaev Okhello and Valuev Ruiz and thinking to yourself 'this is why I fell in love with boxing.' Answer - you aren't because they, like so many other heavyweight fights, were tedious.
Haye may not have always walked the walk - albeit I still think the loss to Klitschko was portrayed as worse than it really was - but he injected some much needed excitement into a moribund division. And he was in some genuinely entertaining fights.
I don't have to keep explaining to you f*cking people why I don't like David Haye. I just don't f*cking like him. Deal with it.
And YES he was in some genuinely entertaining fights. My favorites being his last two.
Sooooooooooo...whaddya trying to say...? LMFAO! I'm getting sick of the repetition here. The guy doesn't like Haye. So f'n what?! He's not your relative...let it go! (he said to all but Gilgamesh). Next thread please!
He was a shadow of his former self. Taking nothing away from Bellew, but i think most knowledgeable fans know a prime Haye would have smoked his boots.
He should def retire. If he fights on he will loose to very mediocre fighters and further tarnish his legacy. It was sad to see him loose like that to Bellew, it will only get sadder if he fights on.
Yeesh you guys really can't handle somebody expressing an opinion can you?
