Wladimir Klitschko deserves a huge credit for his preformance against AJ

[oogiebe]

David Haye looks beyond shot a 37.
Roy Jones looked beyond shot at 35 when he got pummelled and KOed cold by Glen Johnson.
Mike Tyson looked totally shot at 36 when he got a tremendous beating from Lennox Lewis.
David Tua looked totally shot at 38 when he got beaten by even older (and ecqually shot) Monte Barrett.

Wladimir Klitschko gave the hardest fight of his life to the most talented HW of the new generation and put him on the verge of defeat at the much older age than all the guys that were mentioned - at 41. It shows that Wladimir had absolutely great fundamentals unlike Jones or Haye both of whom relied mostly on their athleticism.

absolutely true. he fought a young
man's fight, was on his toes, showed
stamina. i do think this was the best
performance of an above 40 year old
in a hw title fight.

What about Foreman, surely George was the best over 40 y/o HW...

[gilgamesh]

David Haye looks beyond shot a 37.
Roy Jones looked beyond shot at 35 when he got pummelled and KOed cold by Glen Johnson.
Mike Tyson looked totally shot at 36 when he got a tremendous beating from Lennox Lewis.
David Tua looked totally shot at 38 when he got beaten by even older (and ecqually shot) Monte Barrett.

Wladimir Klitschko gave the hardest fight of his life to the most talented HW of the new generation and put him on the verge of defeat at the much older age than all the guys that were mentioned - at 41. It shows that Wladimir had absolutely great fundamentals unlike Jones or Haye both of whom relied mostly on their athleticism.

absolutely true. he fought a young
man's fight, was on his toes, showed
stamina. i do think this was the best
performance of an above 40 year old
in a hw title fight.

What about Foreman, surely George was the best over 40 y/o HW...

No question

[Ilya Muromets]

David Haye looks beyond shot a 37.
Roy Jones looked beyond shot at 35 when he got pummelled and KOed cold by Glen Johnson.
Mike Tyson looked totally shot at 36 when he got a tremendous beating from Lennox Lewis.
David Tua looked totally shot at 38 when he got beaten by even older (and ecqually shot) Monte Barrett.

Wladimir Klitschko gave the hardest fight of his life to the most talented HW of the new generation and put him on the verge of defeat at the much older age than all the guys that were mentioned - at 41. It shows that Wladimir had absolutely great fundamentals unlike Jones or Haye both of whom relied mostly on their athleticism.

The Klitschkos, unlike most boxers, are highly educated and intelligent and keep themselves in top condition at all times. I wouldn't even be surprised if Vitali came back and beat everybody! Only thing is a young Wlad would have finished off his oponent when he had him in big trouble instead of just hanging out looking at him figuring, why tire myself out, he's done anyway.

[Ilya Muromets]

David Haye looks beyond shot a 37.
Roy Jones looked beyond shot at 35 when he got pummelled and KOed cold by Glen Johnson.
Mike Tyson looked totally shot at 36 when he got a tremendous beating from Lennox Lewis.
David Tua looked totally shot at 38 when he got beaten by even older (and ecqually shot) Monte Barrett.

Wladimir Klitschko gave the hardest fight of his life to the most talented HW of the new generation and put him on the verge of defeat at the much older age than all the guys that were mentioned - at 41. It shows that Wladimir had absolutely great fundamentals unlike Jones or Haye both of whom relied mostly on their athleticism.

absolutely true. he fought a young
man's fight, was on his toes, showed
stamina. i do think this was the best
performance of an above 40 year old
in a hw title fight.

What about Foreman, surely George was the best over 40 y/o HW...

Yeah Foreman was another one.

I thought i could go on forever too. I figured i could defeat age and time by continuously getting into better shape and stronger. Well, i was mistaken. The machine wears out.

[oogiebe]

David Haye looks beyond shot a 37.
Roy Jones looked beyond shot at 35 when he got pummelled and KOed cold by Glen Johnson.
Mike Tyson looked totally shot at 36 when he got a tremendous beating from Lennox Lewis.
David Tua looked totally shot at 38 when he got beaten by even older (and ecqually shot) Monte Barrett.

Wladimir Klitschko gave the hardest fight of his life to the most talented HW of the new generation and put him on the verge of defeat at the much older age than all the guys that were mentioned - at 41. It shows that Wladimir had absolutely great fundamentals unlike Jones or Haye both of whom relied mostly on their athleticism.

The Klitschkos, unlike most boxers, are highly educated and intelligent and keep themselves in top condition at all times. I wouldn't even be surprised if Vitali came back and beat everybody! Only thing is a young Wlad would have finished off his oponent when he had him in big trouble instead of just hanging out looking at him figuring, why tire myself out, he's done anyway.

Strong points, yes. Wlad just didn't engage for the fans. He could have more with little risk. Vitali was a brute! Loved him as much as I resented his kid brother.

[oogiebe]

absolutely true. he fought a young
man's fight, was on his toes, showed
stamina. i do think this was the best
performance of an above 40 year old
in a hw title fight.

What about Foreman, surely George was the best over 40 y/o HW...

Yeah Foreman was another one.

I thought i could go on forever too. I figured i could defeat age and time by continuously getting into better shape and stronger. Well, i was mistaken. The machine wears out.

X2x, I would love for you to share more of your personal views on that. The one thing I don't have is vast experience in the ring, so I know my limits. You know...Making friends puke from body blows when they think they know how to box and that they can 'whup' me. Some kid stuff; clubs; very short duration; very little success! (self effacement).

[gilgamesh]

Yeah a lot of people underestimate how damaging those body punches can be. Sparring with a friend once he mentioned a left hook to the body I landed on him being some of the worst pain of his life, and said he'd rather be hit in the face anyday.

[oogiebe]

Yeah a lot of people underestimate how damaging those body punches can be. Sparring with a friend once he mentioned a left hook to the body I landed on him being some of the worst pain of his life, and said he'd rather be hit in the face anyday.

Liver shot! ouch! I like hitting on the belt on the belly button! *snicker, snee snee..*

[gilgamesh]

Yeah a lot of people underestimate how damaging those body punches can be. Sparring with a friend once he mentioned a left hook to the body I landed on him being some of the worst pain of his life, and said he'd rather be hit in the face anyday.

Liver shot! ouch! I like hitting on the belt on the belly button! *snicker, snee snee..*

I also remember a time I sparred a heavily muscled dude that invited me to just tee off on his body at will. He took the shots just fine, but within a few minutes of sparring he was showing fatigue, and I told him "See! Those body shots affect you even if you think they don't"

I think he understood after that.

[oogiebe]

Yeah a lot of people underestimate how damaging those body punches can be. Sparring with a friend once he mentioned a left hook to the body I landed on him being some of the worst pain of his life, and said he'd rather be hit in the face anyday.

Liver shot! ouch! I like hitting on the belt on the belly button! *snicker, snee snee..*

I also remember a time I sparred a heavily muscled dude that invited me to just tee off on his body at will. He took the shots just fine, but within a few minutes of sparring he was showing fatigue, and I told him "See! Those body shots affect you even if you think they don't"

I think he understood after that.

I had a muscle head friend that challenged me too! (WTF?!). By two minutes he couldn't keep his arms up. I was just pitter pattering too! LOL!

[gilgamesh]

I wouldn't necessarily call him a friend, but we trained together at the gym, and got along reasonably well. I never knew him outside the gym though.

[Kalan]

Yeah a lot of people underestimate how damaging those body punches can be. Sparring with a friend once he mentioned a left hook to the body I landed on him being some of the worst pain of his life, and said he'd rather be hit in the face anyday.

Liver shot! ouch! I like hitting on the belt on the belly button! *snicker, snee snee..*

I also remember a time I sparred a heavily muscled dude that invited me to just tee off on his body at will. He took the shots just fine, but within a few minutes of sparring he was showing fatigue, and I told him "See! Those body shots affect you even if you think they don't"

I think he understood after that.

It's the quality of muscle not the mass... Tyson was massively muscled compared to Michael Spinks ... That helped.

It's the number of amateur and professional boxing matches you've had and the level of coaching you've had - rather than how fast you can run 5 miles....which also helps a great deal... Ali and Wladimir threw very few body shots but they had a lot of success in Boxing... Body punching skill is not an absolute essential... It surely helps.. You can develop a great deal of resistance to body punches in a few years... There's a limit to what you can do to resist head shots..

[man]

David Haye looks beyond shot a 37.
Roy Jones looked beyond shot at 35 when he got pummelled and KOed cold by Glen Johnson.
Mike Tyson looked totally shot at 36 when he got a tremendous beating from Lennox Lewis.
David Tua looked totally shot at 38 when he got beaten by even older (and ecqually shot) Monte Barrett.

Wladimir Klitschko gave the hardest fight of his life to the most talented HW of the new generation and put him on the verge of defeat at the much older age than all the guys that were mentioned - at 41. It shows that Wladimir had absolutely great fundamentals unlike Jones or Haye both of whom relied mostly on their athleticism.

absolutely true. he fought a young
man's fight, was on his toes, showed
stamina. i do think this was the best
performance of an above 40 year old
in a hw title fight.

What about Foreman, surely George was the best over 40 y/o HW...

foreman fought like an old man and
he was to an extent lucky to get the
title for a second time.

[man]

one thing puzzled me about wlad in
this one. the left hook was totally
meaningless cause anthony saw it
with ease, yet wlad found no way to
adapt and kept on with that hook
and just found ... air.

[Kalan]

David Haye looks beyond shot a 37.
Roy Jones looked beyond shot at 35 when he got pummelled and KOed cold by Glen Johnson.
Mike Tyson looked totally shot at 36 when he got a tremendous beating from Lennox Lewis.
David Tua looked totally shot at 38 when he got beaten by even older (and ecqually shot) Monte Barrett.

Wladimir Klitschko gave the hardest fight of his life to the most talented HW of the new generation and put him on the verge of defeat at the much older age than all the guys that were mentioned - at 41. It shows that Wladimir had absolutely great fundamentals unlike Jones or Haye both of whom relied mostly on their athleticism.

absolutely true. he fought a young
man's fight, was on his toes, showed
stamina. i do think this was the best
performance of an above 40 year old
in a hw title fight.

Absolutely... Wladimir was tearing it up in an ATG battle of 6'6" X 245 Heavyweights...

Mike Tyson wasn't 36 when he took an ATG shitt-kicking from Lennox Lewis... Mike was 35... Everyone knows he had been avoiding that beating for years and years.... Lewis was older than Tyson and battered the crap out of Mike every round... In his next fight Tyson scored a 1-round KO over Clifford Etienne....so he wasn't at the end of the road... He was just avoiding all the best Heavyweights like Bowe did... Lennox was also older than Bowe but would have done a similar job on him.

[oogiebe]

absolutely true. he fought a young
man's fight, was on his toes, showed
stamina. i do think this was the best
performance of an above 40 year old
in a hw title fight.

What about Foreman, surely George was the best over 40 y/o HW...

foreman fought like an old man and
he was to an extent lucky to get the
title for a second time.

Foreman was an old man. An old man with thudding punching power and a wiser, and more mature fighter than when he was young. Relaxed and patient. Many fighters were "lucky" to have a shot at the title, so I don't take that into consideration here. He earned it and he won it.

[oogiebe]

F'n re-runs.

[man]

What about Foreman, surely George was the best over 40 y/o HW...

foreman fought like an old man and
he was to an extent lucky to get the
title for a second time.

Foreman was an old man. An old man with thudding punching power and a wiser, and more mature fighter than when he was young. Relaxed and patient. Many fighters were "lucky" to have a shot at the title, so I don't take that into consideration here. He earned it and he won it.

well, as i said, wlad fought like a
young man and that is why his
exceeds george's performance.

[oogiebe]

foreman fought like an old man and
he was to an extent lucky to get the
title for a second time.

Foreman was an old man. An old man with thudding punching power and a wiser, and more mature fighter than when he was young. Relaxed and patient. Many fighters were "lucky" to have a shot at the title, so I don't take that into consideration here. He earned it and he won it.

well, as i said, wlad fought like a
young man and that is why his
exceeds george's performance.

Whatever makes you happy...

[man]

Whatever makes you happy...

exactly.

[gilgamesh]

foreman fought like an old man and
he was to an extent lucky to get the
title for a second time.

Foreman was an old man. An old man with thudding punching power and a wiser, and more mature fighter than when he was young. Relaxed and patient. Many fighters were "lucky" to have a shot at the title, so I don't take that into consideration here. He earned it and he won it.

well, as i said, wlad fought like a
young man and that is why his
exceeds george's performance.

If Wlad had fought like the younger version of himself there likely wouldn't have been a Round 7 in that bout.

[fanman]

i tell you what was more impressive. vitali had a 3 or 4 year break, then came back in his late 30s and dominated for a few years, (along with vlad). that coming off a layoff, injury, and age is something you dont see often.

[oogiebe]

i tell you what was more impressive. vitali had a 3 or 4 year break, then came back in his late 30s and dominated for a few years, (along with vlad). that coming off a layoff, injury, and age is something you dont see often.

Vitali is an enigma we'll never know for sure, unfortunately. Early on he was the better overall fighter than Wlad (better chin by far and overall stronger upper body). Injuries robbed him/us of some prime years.

[Boxing Writer]

i tell you what was more impressive. vitali had a 3 or 4 year break, then came back in his late 30s and dominated for a few years, (along with vlad). that coming off a layoff, injury, and age is something you dont see often.

But Vitali hadn't fought anyone as big and as talented as Joshua in his comeback, he didn't have as much wear and tear on his body as Wlad (22 fights and training camps less), and his defeats weren't as destructive as Wlad's ones., not even close.

[DrDuke]

Wlas had a better overall opposition.
Wlad had a better skillset.
Vitali had a better chin, a far better one, what along with his size and power had made him look sorta invincible.

It was possible to find some holes in Wlad's defence and land on his not the hardest chin, but Viltali could just be an uncomfortable fighter to anyone.