loma reevaulation

[Evander]

i thought he took them fine

i read that linares was 152 to lomas 138

Only thing I'm reading is what happened in the ring.

[jamamb]

your reading this text too vander

[Evander]

your reading this text too vander

I'm speculating and predicting.

[Evander]

Lomachenko got clipped with a body shot during the earlier rounds that showed his cards.

[NateJR]

Think he’s still as special as he was. He got dropped...which can happen when you’re being so offensive, moving in on a lager target...And it’s boxing...don’t really see a overall weakness at all...just a small lapse.

Garcia’s a great fighter and lovely to watch. Wondering if he has the speed to beat lomachenko. Linares did well with super fast combos...I see Garcia’s as more of a measured precise power puncher..doesn’t let his hands go as freely as linares would.

Anyway would love to watch it...clearly Garcia has the power factor over both loma and linares.

I agree with what you're saying to a degree. But when Garcia starts to touch Lomachenko with precise counters, will Lomachenko himself tread more lighly on the offense? Normally when fighters move up in weight their offense drops because they focus more on their defense. There are exceptions, but Garcia is a special fighter as well.

I still believe Lomachenko is a fantastic fighter. I don't believe he's quite what some have claimed he is and never have.

He is better than Floyd though.

I'm sure this is a attempt to try to wind me up. There's a simple, straight forward answer to your reply. NO HE'S NOT.

[lazboy]

Lomachenko got clipped with a body shot during the earlier rounds that showed his cards.

That’s right I saw that too. King queen of diamonds tucked into his trucks. Thought I was the only one who saw them.

[DrDuke]

He's not flawless, that has already been seen, but not so good enough because he has never fought someone like Linares before. But still Lomachenko looked great, he was able to fight and to win after been knocked down and stunned in the 9th, what had been even a more dangerous situation, than being dropped.

Garcia fight can be great. I see it as a back and forth action with Loma being slightly better.

[gregregegg]

What did you make of the Lomachenko knockdown ?

He got hit clean, but i'm not sure it actually hurt him. lomas lead food got caught up on linares's as he got hit, then as he tryed to save it his back foot didnt seem to grip on the advertising. Still a good knock down but due to balance and footing rather than concussion.

[DrDuke]

What did you make of the Lomachenko knockdown ?

He got hit clean, but i'm not sure it actually hurt him. lomas lead food got caught up on linares's as he got hit, then as he tryed to save it his back foot didnt seem to grip on the advertising. Still a good knock down but due to balance and footing rather than concussion.

Sounds right.

[Counter-puncher]

Think he’s still as special as he was. He got dropped...which can happen when you’re being so offensive, moving in on a lager target...And it’s boxing...don’t really see a overall weakness at all...just a small lapse.

Garcia’s a great fighter and lovely to watch. Wondering if he has the speed to beat lomachenko. Linares did well with super fast combos...I see Garcia’s as more of a measured precise power puncher..doesn’t let his hands go as freely as linares would.

Anyway would love to watch it...clearly Garcia has the power factor over both loma and linares.

I agree with what you're saying to a degree. But when Garcia starts to touch Lomachenko with precise counters, will Lomachenko himself tread more lighly on the offense? Normally when fighters move up in weight their offense drops because they focus more on their defense. There are exceptions, but Garcia is a special fighter as well.

I still believe Lomachenko is a fantastic fighter. I don't believe he's quite what some have claimed he is and never have.

I see and get all your points but i think there is another angle to consider

Mikey is a very good counterpuncher- punchpicker, but he is (1) not the absolute quickest on his feet and (2) the guys he had knocked out spectacularly, were mostly come-forward, very predictable types.

I know where you're coming from w.Lomachanko and people over-rating him a little, but what he does bring is the kind of angles/variety that make it difficult to time him for that counter, if he is fighting cautiously (obviously not impossible, and if Mikey got him with the type punch Linares got the KD with Loma would be hurt, no doubt). IE basically Mikey needs to have his feet set to hurt Loma that way and if Loma fought him i think he would be trying like hell, and often succeeding, in making sure he kept Mikey from sitting down on that big counter. if he chooses to move a lot i'm not sure how well Mikey would do making the ring small for him with his footwork.

[Abradolf Lincler]

If he and Mikey fight, it needs to happen at 135. Loma doesn't look like he can move up much further, if any, and Mikey doesn't look as good at 140 as he did 135.

He's stronger, more durable, and likely a more powerful puncher than Linares, but he isn't as fast or rangy. The speed of Linares' shots is what seemed to give Loma the most problems last night.

It's the fight to make in boxing, IF it takes place at Lightweight. I got Loma. That knockdown was good for him. He's been showboating too much in recent fights and was on his way to doing so last night. That counter brought him back down to Earth. I much prefer when he fights a more disciplined, no nonsense type of fight. He needs to stick to that, especially at the higher weights.

[Cloutov]

Garcia looked tired in some of those rounds against Lipnets and took heat.

Lipinets is massive compared to Lomachenko and Linares and had to walk through hell to even survive. By the way, Mikey is small for 140 lbs., so of course, he'll look human.

[Cloutov]

Garcia looked tired in some of those rounds against Lipnets and took heat.

Lipinets is massive compared to Lomachenko and Linares and had to walk through hell to even survive. By the way, Mikey is small for 140 lbs., so of course, he'll look human.

Funny how it can pass for Garcia looking human against a bigger guy but not for Loma...

[SenorPipino]

Garcia and Lomachenko will probably have to wait. At least until next year.

Garcia has to dispose of Easter first and it looks like Arum is intent on Lomachenko fighting Beltran, probably in August or September.

A couple of dominant wins sets up the showdown. Unless Lomachenko is still intent on a Pacquiao matchup in late fall.

He probably should reconsider moving up another weight division though, even if Pacquiao might very well be drained at any 140 catchweight.

[ValMar]

The best scenario : Loma vs Mikey fighting for the undisputed 135 championship.
Realistic ? I think it will happen, the perfect timing : December 2018.....And after this, we will know all the answers about Loma (and Mikey, of course)............

[oogiebe]

By the way, Garcia is a lot more talented than Linares. It's pretty much a fact. Garcia wouldn't have struggled and put on a beatdown on Linares.

so maybe garcia is more talented then loma

No, they're both experts at their respective craft. As I said, they're each other's p4p contemporaries.

Experts? No one is an expert. Garcia would have some trouble with Loma's body attack. If they fight, watch for that as a weakness for Mikey. IMO.

[Boxerbeetle]

If he and Mikey fight, it needs to happen at 135. Loma doesn't look like he can move up much further, if any, and Mikey doesn't look as good at 140 as he did 135.

He's stronger, more durable, and likely a more powerful puncher than Linares, but he isn't as fast or rangy. The speed of Linares' shots is what seemed to give Loma the most problems last night.

It's the fight to make in boxing, IF it takes place at Lightweight. I got Loma. That knockdown was good for him. He's been showboating too much in recent fights and was on his way to doing so last night. That counter brought him back down to Earth. I much prefer when he fights a more disciplined, no nonsense type of fight. He needs to stick to that, especially at the higher weights.

Totally agree. I don’t enjoy showboating and wish boxers wouldn’t do it tbh. Gimme an all-business fighter anyday.

[boxing_rocks]

If he and Mikey fight, it needs to happen at 135. Loma doesn't look like he can move up much further, if any, and Mikey doesn't look as good at 140 as he did 135.

He's stronger, more durable, and likely a more powerful puncher than Linares, but he isn't as fast or rangy. The speed of Linares' shots is what seemed to give Loma the most problems last night.

It's the fight to make in boxing, IF it takes place at Lightweight. I got Loma. That knockdown was good for him. He's been showboating too much in recent fights and was on his way to doing so last night. That counter brought him back down to Earth. I much prefer when he fights a more disciplined, no nonsense type of fight. He needs to stick to that, especially at the higher weights.

Totally agree. I don’t enjoy showboating and wish boxers wouldn’t do it tbh. Gimme an all-business fighter anyday.

He can't get too disciplined. Becoming Rigo or Lara is not an option for Loma.

[Abradolf Lincler]

If he and Mikey fight, it needs to happen at 135. Loma doesn't look like he can move up much further, if any, and Mikey doesn't look as good at 140 as he did 135.

He's stronger, more durable, and likely a more powerful puncher than Linares, but he isn't as fast or rangy. The speed of Linares' shots is what seemed to give Loma the most problems last night.

It's the fight to make in boxing, IF it takes place at Lightweight. I got Loma. That knockdown was good for him. He's been showboating too much in recent fights and was on his way to doing so last night. That counter brought him back down to Earth. I much prefer when he fights a more disciplined, no nonsense type of fight. He needs to stick to that, especially at the higher weights.

Totally agree. I don’t enjoy showboating and wish boxers wouldn’t do it tbh. Gimme an all-business fighter anyday.

He can't get too disciplined. Becoming Rigo or Lara is not an option for Loma.

We're not talking about changing his style, just cutting out the gratuitous showboating aspect that's become more prevalent with him recently.

[DrDuke]

Loma's trouble isn't in showboating. He takes some unnecessary shots sometimes. He obviously doesn't have any troubles with the skill of avoiding them, his problems are tending to lose vigilance and being in wrong positions. Now he probably will pay more attention to this stuff.

[boxing_rocks]

Totally agree. I don’t enjoy showboating and wish boxers wouldn’t do it tbh. Gimme an all-business fighter anyday.

He can't get too disciplined. Becoming Rigo or Lara is not an option for Loma.

We're not talking about changing his style, just cutting out the gratuitous showboating aspect that's become more prevalent with him recently.

Becoming more defensively responsible IS changing the style. Remember Pretty Boy Floyd becoming The Money Floyd when he moved to WW and JMW ?

[oogiebe]

Loma's trouble isn't in showboating. He takes some unnecessary shots sometimes. He obviously doesn't have any troubles with the skill of avoiding them, his problems are tending to lose vigilance and being in wrong positions. Now he probably will pay more attention to this stuff.

He learned that his natural abilities, while great, won't be enough as he steps up. Takes hard work and discipline. An easy lesson he learned. Most fighters don't off that easily.

[slappy]

Mikey v Loma could come down to who is able to find the body better. I agree with the poster who said that Loma's movement could trouble Garcia, who works best when his feet are set. But Garcia's patience, precision and power could easily put a hurt on Loma. If Garcia can carry out a sustained body attack, he could slow Vasyl down.

Otherwise, I think Loma's dimensions carry the fight.

FWIW, most folks think Linares was always a star who flew too long under the radar. There is no shame in struggling against the guy.

[lazboy]

What did you make of the Lomachenko knockdown ?

He got hit clean, but i'm not sure it actually hurt him. lomas lead food got caught up on linares's as he got hit, then as he tryed to save it his back foot didnt seem to grip on the advertising. Still a good knock down but due to balance and footing rather than concussion.

Sounds right.

Errrr..... come on...he was dropped. A shot like that would buckle someone’s legs. Don’t think he was hurt or hurt longer than that moment but that shot made his brain turn off his legs for that second.

[jpspice]

Oh ok that’s what you were saying. Generally though a straight right hand Is a long lean boxers hardest punch imo and especially if lomachenko was moving forward on to it...it’s gonna sting.

when you chase a guy around you are going to run into shots.

Exactly if you’re a offensive fighter...you’re gonna get hit from time to time. The best offensive but defensive fighters I have seen are lomachenko and pernell Whitaker. Honestly can’t think of many more than that.

If the right hand had been a couple inches lower it may have ended the fight. not quite on the button.