Round-by-Round - Jorge Linares vs. Vasyl Lomachenko - May 12, 2018

[Mexi-Box]

@ "Linares has no power".

at your comment. He couldn't put a dent in Demarco who got stomped by Broner.

Nice to see we have another idiot on this forum.

[oogiebe]

@ "Linares has no power".

at your comment. He couldn't put a dent in Demarco who got stomped by Broner.

Nice to see we have another idiot on this forum.

C'mon let's not start name calling. I freakin' hate that!

[jamamb]

He was hurt enough to go down. He was stung pretty good as I see it. Adds more to the performance than it took away. Getting up off the canvas and winning in this fashion only added more gold to Loma. (I'm not even a fan of his).

Here's the knockdown. What about Loma's reaction getting up suggests he was badly hurt?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=V8QiSD6XUq0

He wasn't badly hurt, but he was hurt enough. The dude went down on his duff. Doesn't happen when you're tickled mate.

notice that if someone pushes you it can force you back and everyone even to the ground., without you being hurt as if you were punched in the head. having a boxer punch you can have the same effect in the same way. a boxer is not necessarily hurt if they are knocked down

[oogiebe]

Here's the knockdown. What about Loma's reaction getting up suggests he was badly hurt?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=V8QiSD6XUq0

He wasn't badly hurt, but he was hurt enough. The dude went down on his duff. Doesn't happen when you're tickled mate.

notice that if someone pushes you it can force you back and everyone even to the ground., without you being hurt as if you were punched in the head. having a boxer punch you can have the same effect in the same way. a boxer is WV not necessarily hurt if they are knocked down

It's called being off balance. Loma was stung no doubt, but not hurt too badly. Jumping back up is usually a sign that you were hurt as you would normally take the 8 count to recover. Just sayin'.

[victor-romeo]

He was hurt, by knockdown t took him about 2 rounds to get his legs back after the knockdown, obviously Loma not a natural Light Weight, the size difference between him and Linares was big. Great fight though and great fighters...

[oogiebe]

He was hurt, by knockdown t took him about 2 rounds to get his legs back after the knockdown, obviously Loma not a natural Light Weight, the size difference between him and Linares was big. Great fight though and great fighters...

I didn't see any dancing deer legs after that knockdown. Certainly not two rounds worth. I think you ought to view those rounds again. IMHO.

[greg]

Loma did a great job moving up and beating the best one there was, he wasn't visibly hurt, taking the next round to re-group and re-focuss and then finishing the job in a spectacular way..props to both guys but the smaller one was definitely better..

[jamamb]

He wasn't badly hurt, but he was hurt enough. The dude went down on his duff. Doesn't happen when you're tickled mate.

notice that if someone pushes you it can force you back and everyone even to the ground., without you being hurt as if you were punched in the head. having a boxer punch you can have the same effect in the same way. a boxer is WV not necessarily hurt if they are knocked down

It's called being off balance. Loma was stung no doubt, but not hurt too badly. Jumping back up is usually a sign that you were hurt as you would normally take the 8 count to recover. Just sayin'.

i dont understand that at all, why would you want to take the full 8 to recover if you arent hurt?

[oogiebe]

notice that if someone pushes you it can force you back and everyone even to the ground., without you being hurt as if you were punched in the head. having a boxer punch you can have the same effect in the same way. a boxer is WV not necessarily hurt if they are knocked down

It's called being off balance. Loma was stung no doubt, but not hurt too badly. Jumping back up is usually a sign that you were hurt as you would normally take the 8 count to recover. Just sayin'.

i dont understand that at all, why would you want to take the full 8 to recover if you arent hurt?

He was hurt ("but not too badly") I penned. His jumping to his feet is counter intuitive to what we're taught. He was too quick to prove he wasn't hurt imho.

[jujigatame]

I don't think the scorecards were unreasonable. I had Loma up 4-1 and thought he was on his way to a near shutout, but the knockdown changed the fight. Loma started fighting more defensively and dropped a couple of rounds. I had it even at time of stoppage, and if a judge gave Linares both the 1st and 2nd rounds then Linares could have been justifiably ahead.

[oogiebe]

I don't think the scorecards were unreasonable. I had Loma up 4-1 and thought he was on his way to a near shutout, but the knockdown changed the fight. Loma started fighting more defensively and dropped a couple of rounds. I had it even at time of stoppage, and if a judge gave Linares both the 1st and 2nd rounds then Linares could have been justifiably ahead.

That's reasonable for sure.

[jamamb]

linares did not deserve the 2nd though

[oogiebe]

linares did not deserve the 2nd though

even round or slightly to Loma.

[jamamb]

i thought it was clear to loma, the one judge also somehow gave linares the 4th, which loma won even clearer

[oogiebe]

i thought it was clear to loma, the one judge also somehow gave linares the 4th, which loma won even clearer

The judges were watching another fight IMHO. They were almost scandalous. Imagine if it went to the cards?! Oye!

[jujigatame]

I do agree that Linares lost the 4th by a wide margin. I thought there were 4 or 5 close rounds but the 4th wasn't one of them.

[greg]

..I would put it this way: we have a clear legit winner in a close fight..

[Abradolf Lincler]

linares did not deserve the 2nd though

Agreed. No issue with someone scoring the first round to him, as there wasn't a lot in it either way, but Loma had already started picking up the pace in round 2. Thought it was a clear round for him.

[Ruthless-RKO]

linares did not deserve the 2nd though

Agreed. No issue with someone scoring the first round to him, as there wasn't a lot in it either way, but Loma had already started picking up the pace in round 2. Thought it was a clear round for him.

Its like the Rigo fight. You could score the 1st round 10-10 or 10-9 for Rigo as Loma used the round to feel Rigo out. After that it was just dominance.

He'll carry on losing the first round against 'good' opponents.

[MrTG]

linares did not deserve the 2nd though

Agreed. No issue with someone scoring the first round to him, as there wasn't a lot in it either way, but Loma had already started picking up the pace in round 2. Thought it was a clear round for him.

Its like the Rigo fight. You could score the 1st round 10-10 or 10-9 for Rigo as Loma used the round to feel Rigo out. After that it was just dominance.

He'll carry on losing the first round against 'good' opponents.

Spot on. I genuinely think he uses the first round to read what his opponents do. He feints and dips left and right, springs in and out and watches what they throw back and where they move. It’s as if after that he processes it all through his mind and gets to work dissecting them. Class act.

[jpspice]

Loma: 2, 3, 4, 5, 8
Linares: 6, 7, 9
Even: 1

I scored the 6th round 10-9, as Loma was beating him up prior to that and, given that it happened at the end of the round, Linares had no real chance to capitalize. Not to mention I think Loma was more shocked/stung than legitimately hurt.

Thus, 87-85 for Loma going into the 10th.

He was hurt...and very badly...it's a paralyzing blow. I remember those too well!

He got stung coming in by a perfect counter right on the button, a bit squared up at the point of impact, too. He popped up a second later and wasn't even wobbly. I'd hardly say he was "very badly" hurt. His chin is solid.

That right hand didn't land on the button, slightly high.

[MrGuy]

He was easily winning, but going into the final round punch stat was even. 7 of 9 rounds Linares landed more power shots, and in several of them easily out landed him in that department.

[jamamb]

i thought the stats (compubox is actually just opinion too) were off

[Ruthless-RKO]

CompuBox - Inside The Numbers

7.2 - avg. jabs landed per round by Vasiliy Lomachenko vs. Jorge Linares (lightweight avg.: 4.6)

18.3% - pct. of body landed/total landed by Vasiliy Lomachenko vs. Jorge Linares, slightly below the CompuBox avg. of 22.3%, but ironically the punch that KO'd Linares

20 - number of jabs landed by Vasiliy Lomachenko in round 8, the most he's landed in his 12 pro fights

29 - number of punches landed by Jorge Linares in round 9, the most by a Loma opponent in his 12 pro fights

55 - number of jabs thrown by Vasiliy Lomachenko in round 8, more than double the lightweight avg.

102 - number of punches thrown Jorge Linares in round 9, the most by a Loma opponent in his 12 pro fights

207 - number of punches landed by Jorge Linares, the most by a Loma opponent in his 12 pro fights

[oogiebe]

He was hurt...and very badly...it's a paralyzing blow. I remember those too well!

He got stung coming in by a perfect counter right on the button, a bit squared up at the point of impact, too. He popped up a second later and wasn't even wobbly. I'd hardly say he was "very badly" hurt. His chin is solid.

That right hand didn't land on the button, slightly high.

I was referring to the liver shot by Loma.