Mayweather (2003) vs. Lomachenko (2018) at 135 ?

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 17 May 2018, 12:13

What do you think about this fantasy match ?

DrDuke · Post by **DrDuke** » 17 May 2018, 12:29

Not so easy match-up. Lomachenko could have outpunch Floyd, but how effective he could have been? He probably wouldn't hurt Mayweather and had to be careful, cause Floyd's punch was decent. Anyway Floyd's defensive abilities were great, but not ideal, while Lomachenko has special offence, he can provide a variety of shots from different angles, his approach in it is creative, he wouldn't look against Floyd like De La Hoya.

Abradolf Lincler · Post by **Abradolf Lincler** » 17 May 2018, 12:49

What's with all the Lightweight matchups for Loma? Why not Featherweight?

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 17 May 2018, 12:53

Abradolf Lincler wrote: ↑17 May 2018, 12:49 What's with all the Lightweight matchups for Loma? Why not Featherweight?

Loma should stay at LW and face Mikey, all others fights are meaningless.
I voted for too close to call...............

imaioral · Post by **imaioral** » 17 May 2018, 13:35

Hard to say, I like Mayweather. IMO he should clearly have won that robbed gold in the Olympics, thus giving a possible more earlier advantage in his starting career as Loma is having now.

In that era, Mayweather won 2x Jose Luis Castillo, who was coming from a good series of wins, a draw and an upset (for) vs Stevie Johnston (who was at his peak) and vs Phillip Ndou who was very dangerous KO artist for most boxers of his weight class.

During Mayweather career, he had a unique high capability to learn and adapt to each opponent style to then outbox them in the ring with putting certain skills in the gaps between each opponent flaw with a relative advantage.

Loma vs Linares (now ex-king of 135) wasn't as effective as Mayweather of 2003. Loma could have been a bit more efficient vs a Linares, who started feeling tired in 5th to 6th round, until the KO, it was 85-85 in my scorecard, something that quite possibly would not have happened in 2003 Mayweather era. * Mayweather vs N'Dou is an example of what I'm saying, he took advantage of N'Dou tiredness and send him soon to the canvas and there he stayed, and more, with large scorecard difference.

I vote for Mayweather UD 116-112 over Loma.

Yes We Can · Post by **Yes We Can** » 17 May 2018, 14:33

2003 may weather was much more attack focused, but arguably that doesn't put him at his best. Both would leave holes for the other to exploit, I would just..... Just favour Lomachenko.

jamamb · Post by **jamamb** » 17 May 2018, 14:37

mayweather

lomas excellent. prob a hall of famer in the end. arguably p4p top now.

but mayweather is a truly special talent even a level beyond that. granted i actually think he was a better fighter later in his careeer when he was more defensively focused. he was more of an offensive force around 2003 but i actually think it gave him more holes to his game

but still mayweather a cut above imo

jamamb · Post by **jamamb** » 17 May 2018, 14:39

and also hes bigger then loma. far longer reach, few inches in height, and naturally larger frame i think. combine that with floyds amazing ability and i dont see him losing here

these types of loma threads (p4p atg top 10, vs duran/floyd) will probably get some ppl wanting him to lose. there are fans like that who just cant take anything like this excitment over a fighter

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 17 May 2018, 15:18

It's a really interesting match to consider. I always said throughout Mayweather's career "Everybody makes the mistake of trying to outbox Mayweather, YOU CAN'T outbox Mayweather so everybody has lost before the 1st bell even rings because their strategy is wrong"

If anybody would have a chance of actually outboxing him, and picking their shots better on him it'd be Loma.

That being said I think it's a better fight at 130.

oogiebe · Post by **oogiebe** » 17 May 2018, 15:34

gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 May 2018, 15:18 It's a really interesting match to consider. I always said throughout Mayweather's career "Everybody makes the mistake of trying to outbox Mayweather, YOU CAN'T outbox Mayweather so everybody has lost before the 1st bell even rings because their strategy is wrong"

If anybody would have a chance of actually outboxing him, and picking their shots better on him it'd be Loma.

That being said I think it's a better fight at 130.

Would be for sure. We're way too late for that weight though, I'm afraid.

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 17 May 2018, 15:35

oogiebe wrote: ↑17 May 2018, 15:34
gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 May 2018, 15:18 It's a really interesting match to consider. I always said throughout Mayweather's career "Everybody makes the mistake of trying to outbox Mayweather, YOU CAN'T outbox Mayweather so everybody has lost before the 1st bell even rings because their strategy is wrong"

If anybody would have a chance of actually outboxing him, and picking their shots better on him it'd be Loma.

That being said I think it's a better fight at 130.
Would be for sure. We're way too late for that weight though, I'm afraid.

Since it's a hypothetical match that could never take place anyway, it could take place at 130 in hypothetical land

It'd just have to be Mayweather circa 2001 and Loma from last year.

oogiebe · Post by **oogiebe** » 17 May 2018, 15:38

gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 May 2018, 15:35
oogiebe wrote: ↑17 May 2018, 15:34
gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 May 2018, 15:18 It's a really interesting match to consider. I always said throughout Mayweather's career "Everybody makes the mistake of trying to outbox Mayweather, YOU CAN'T outbox Mayweather so everybody has lost before the 1st bell even rings because their strategy is wrong"

If anybody would have a chance of actually outboxing him, and picking their shots better on him it'd be Loma.

That being said I think it's a better fight at 130.
Would be for sure. We're way too late for that weight though, I'm afraid.
Since it's a hypothetical match that could never take place anyway, it could take place at 130 in hypothetical land

It'd just have to be Mayweather circa 2001 and Loma from last year.

I understood what you meant.

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 17 May 2018, 15:49

oogiebe wrote: ↑17 May 2018, 15:38
gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 May 2018, 15:35
oogiebe wrote: ↑17 May 2018, 15:34

Would be for sure. We're way too late for that weight though, I'm afraid.
Since it's a hypothetical match that could never take place anyway, it could take place at 130 in hypothetical land

It'd just have to be Mayweather circa 2001 and Loma from last year.
I understood what you meant.

I believe that Loma 2018 is better than Loma 2017, because of that I put this fantasy fight at LW.

boxing_rocks · Post by **boxing_rocks** » 17 May 2018, 15:53

Mayweather hated fighting southpaws. Loma all the way.

HeavyHitters · Post by **HeavyHitters** » 17 May 2018, 17:00

Mayweather be messing around with cryptocurrency investors too much lately!!

tiny_acres · Post by **tiny_acres** » 17 May 2018, 17:11

Mayweather was the greatest 130 pound fighter ever. He wins by ko in 8 at 130

135 Mayweather wins a close decision.

At 130 he had power speed and skills.

Mexi-Box · Post by **Mexi-Box** » 17 May 2018, 21:18

I'd say Lomachenko wins at 130, but he likely loses at 135.

Lomachenko looks unstoppable at 130, but I don't think he belongs at 135.

Mexi-Box · Post by **Mexi-Box** » 17 May 2018, 21:19

tiny_acres wrote: ↑17 May 2018, 17:11 Mayweather was the greatest 130 pound fighter ever. He wins by ko in 8 at 130

135 Mayweather wins a close decision.

At 130 he had power speed and skills.

Funny, you got it opposite to me. Lomachenko was making guys quite at 130. He looks unstoppable there. He beats Mayweather.

At 135, I don't think Lomachenko is that effective because he's too small while Mayweather was a lot bigger than him.

Best Coast · Post by **Best Coast** » 17 May 2018, 22:43

ValMar wrote: ↑17 May 2018, 12:13 What do you think about this fantasy match ?

Floyd just too quick and too big for Loma. His phenomenal footwork at 130-135 was something that he naturally had to sacrifice as he moved up in weight (and unless you've seen any of his highlights at that weight recently it's easy to forget how phenomenal it really was).

Floyd would land his usual 45-50% of his punches and would probably limit Lomachenko to 25-30% of his punches. Clearcut decision win for Mayweather at either 130 or 135.

Blodhemn · Post by **Blodhemn** » 17 May 2018, 23:57

Close fight. Either guy winning in shutout or KO fashion is nuthugger/hater territory. For whatever reason, judges seem to dislike Loma's style, and vice versa for Mayweather. Mayweather by MD, with one card being a shutout.

NateJR · Post by **NateJR** » 18 May 2018, 02:42

Floyd for me, even though I'll admit it wouldn't be a easy night. Floyd's range, footwork and ability to work off the jab exceptionally would be the reason I pick Floyd by a decently wide decision (wide decision doesn't mean easy fight). The whole "Floyd had troubles with southpaws" holds no weight considering he beat every southpaw he ever faced and really didn't struggle much against any of them other than Judah, but that was Judahs speed that troubled him. I agree Lomachenko has speed, but not that same type of raw athletic speed that Judah had.

I don't think Lomachenko matches up well against Floyd at 135. Not to mention Floyd could punch at that weight. I see Floyd taming the beast as he always did, slowing down the pace of the fight and scoring from the outside, not giving Lomachenko alot of opportunities to be super offensive and when he would be offensive Floyd would have the defense to make him miss most of his shots.

Best Coast · Post by **Best Coast** » 18 May 2018, 02:47

NateJR wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 02:42 Floyd for me, even though I'll admit it wouldn't be a easy night. Floyd's range, footwork and ability to work off the jab exceptionally would be the reason I pick Floyd by a decently wide decision (wide decision doesn't mean easy fight). The whole "Floyd had troubles with southpaws" holds no weight considering he beat every southpaw he ever faced and really didn't struggle much against any of them other than Judah, but that was Judahs speed that troubled him. I agree Lomachenko has speed, but not that same type of raw athletic speed that Judah had.

I don't think Lomachenko matches up well against Floyd at 135. Not to mention Floyd could punch at that weight. I see Floyd taming the beast as he always did, slowing down the pace of the fight and scoring from the outside, not giving Lomachenko alot of opportunities to be super offensive and when he would be offensive Floyd would have the defense to make him miss most of his shots.

Solid points.

Mexi-Box · Post by **Mexi-Box** » 18 May 2018, 03:34

NateJR wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 02:42 Floyd for me, even though I'll admit it wouldn't be a easy night. Floyd's range, footwork and ability to work off the jab exceptionally would be the reason I pick Floyd by a decently wide decision (wide decision doesn't mean easy fight). The whole "Floyd had troubles with southpaws" holds no weight considering he beat every southpaw he ever faced and really didn't struggle much against any of them other than Judah, but that was Judahs speed that troubled him. I agree Lomachenko has speed, but not that same type of raw athletic speed that Judah had.

I don't think Lomachenko matches up well against Floyd at 135. Not to mention Floyd could punch at that weight. I see Floyd taming the beast as he always did, slowing down the pace of the fight and scoring from the outside, not giving Lomachenko alot of opportunities to be super offensive and when he would be offensive Floyd would have the defense to make him miss most of his shots.

Judah doesn't have the ring IQ of Lomachenko.

Yeah, I don't think Lomachenko matches up well with Mayweather at 135 lbs. either, but I think he matches up extremely well at 130 lbs. Lomachenko would adjust after the first round like he always does.

I don't think anyone will beat Lomachenko by outboxing him. At the very least, not at 130 lbs. where the weights are a bit more even. I don't think Lomachenko belongs at 135 lbs., though. He's a natural FW/SFW more than anything.

By the way, your last point, Lomachenko doesn't miss much and doesn't get hit much. The GRJ fight was insane. He made a strong, athletic speed-freak look slow.

jpspice · Post by **jpspice** » 19 May 2018, 00:30

It's hard for me to say with these Loma fantasy matchups because I haven't seen Loma's chin truly tested yet. Linares is the only guy who came close to delivering a ko blow and that right hand wasn't dead on the "button". So what if Loma turns out to be like a Lamotta or Hagler; a guy you just can't knockout? Then he really becomes dangerous, especially with the level of conditioning he maintains. So, hard to say who could hold him off for sure.

victor-romeo · Post by **victor-romeo** » 19 May 2018, 02:47

Abradolf Lincler wrote: ↑17 May 2018, 12:49 What's with all the Lightweight matchups for Loma? Why not Featherweight?

Exactly at 126 or 130 I have Loma destroying Floyd, at 135 I Have Floyd.