Murat Gassiev: Next great HW?

[oogiebe]

He was CW but can pack on weight and looked pretty strong!

[gilgamesh]

I think he and Usyk will ultimately wind up being solid contenders at Heavyweight. "Great Heavyweights"...I'd be pretty surprised at that.

[oogiebe]

I think he and Usyk will ultimately wind up being solid contenders at Heavyweight. "Great Heavyweights"...I'd be pretty surprised at that.

Usyk @33 is a stretch to contend IMHO. Gassiev has room to naturally fill out. He can crack. Not a great division, so relatively speaking I think he can eat some chow at HW.

[gilgamesh]

I think he and Usyk will ultimately wind up being solid contenders at Heavyweight. "Great Heavyweights"...I'd be pretty surprised at that.

Usyk @33 is a stretch to contend IMHO. Gassiev has room to naturally fill out. He can crack. Not a great division, so relatively speaking I think he can eat some chow at HW.

The size differential between him and the guys at the very top is gonna be a tough bridge to gap though.

Not impossible, but very tough.

I don't think he'll beat Usyk myself, but it's close to a 50/50 fight so I could well be wrong.

[oogiebe]

I think he and Usyk will ultimately wind up being solid contenders at Heavyweight. "Great Heavyweights"...I'd be pretty surprised at that.

Usyk @33 is a stretch to contend IMHO. Gassiev has room to naturally fill out. He can crack. Not a great division, so relatively speaking I think he can eat some chow at HW.

The size differential between him and the guys at the very top is gonna be a tough bridge to gap though.

Not impossible, but very tough.

I don't think he'll beat Usyk myself, but it's close to a 50/50 fight so I could well be wrong.

1 week ban on Gassiev Beating Uzyk if it's ever matched?

[gilgamesh]

Usyk @33 is a stretch to contend IMHO. Gassiev has room to naturally fill out. He can crack. Not a great division, so relatively speaking I think he can eat some chow at HW.

The size differential between him and the guys at the very top is gonna be a tough bridge to gap though.

Not impossible, but very tough.

I don't think he'll beat Usyk myself, but it's close to a 50/50 fight so I could well be wrong.

1 week ban on Gassiev Beating Uzyk if it's ever matched?

No. I'd bet cash money if you were standing in my living room the day of the fight, but other than that I don't do prop bets.

Money is all I'd be interesting in gaining from a bet.

[boxing_rocks]

Heavyweight has been ruled by giants like Wlad, Fury, Joshua and Wilder. Gassiev is not big enough to compete with such opponents. I don't think Usyk could be successful against them either. His style is better fitted for that, but his lack of power would be a problem.

[oogiebe]

Heavyweight has been ruled by giants like Wlad, Fury, Joshua and Wilder. Gassiev is not big enough to compete with such opponents. I don't think Usyk could be successful against them either. His style is better fitted for that, but his lack of power would be a problem.

Gassiev is 6' 3.5" and easily can pack on 25 - 35 more lbs. I think his size is fine as his speed and really sharp/crisp combinations would give these big boys trouble. His reach is short 76", but he bores in anyway. I'd like to see it.

[gilgamesh]

Heavyweight has been ruled by giants like Wlad, Fury, Joshua and Wilder. Gassiev is not big enough to compete with such opponents. I don't think Usyk could be successful against them either. His style is better fitted for that, but his lack of power would be a problem.

It's a stretch saying anything has been ruled by Fury except for the Buffet table.

To "Rule" something you kinda have to keep at it. Winning the worst fight of all time, and then f*cking off for years ain't ruling sh*t.

[oogiebe]

Heavyweight has been ruled by giants like Wlad, Fury, Joshua and Wilder. Gassiev is not big enough to compete with such opponents. I don't think Usyk could be successful against them either. His style is better fitted for that, but his lack of power would be a problem.

It's a stretch saying anything has been ruled by Fury except for the Buffet table.

To "Rule" something you kinda have to keep at it. Winning the worst fight of all time, and then f*cking off for years ain't ruling sh*t.

Uh oh, someone is sensitive about Tyson Fury...

[gilgamesh]

Heavyweight has been ruled by giants like Wlad, Fury, Joshua and Wilder. Gassiev is not big enough to compete with such opponents. I don't think Usyk could be successful against them either. His style is better fitted for that, but his lack of power would be a problem.

It's a stretch saying anything has been ruled by Fury except for the Buffet table.

To "Rule" something you kinda have to keep at it. Winning the worst fight of all time, and then f*cking off for years ain't ruling sh*t.

Uh oh, someone is sensitive about Tyson Fury...

Not sensitive about him, just calls him out for the disgrace to the sport that he is.

[oogiebe]

It's a stretch saying anything has been ruled by Fury except for the Buffet table.

To "Rule" something you kinda have to keep at it. Winning the worst fight of all time, and then f*cking off for years ain't ruling sh*t.

Uh oh, someone is sensitive about Tyson Fury...

Not sensitive about him, just calls him out for the disgrace to the sport that he is.

OOOhhhhhhh....thanks for clearing that up.

[gilgamesh]

Uh oh, someone is sensitive about Tyson Fury...

Not sensitive about him, just calls him out for the disgrace to the sport that he is.

OOOhhhhhhh....thanks for clearing that up.

Any time

[Mexi-Box]

He'd be a good addition, but sadly, Usyk will end up at HW and clean it out.

[oogiebe]

He'd be a good addition, but sadly, Usyk will end up at HW and clean it out.

You are the king of bold statements. I may not agree, but I do respect it!

[Best Coast]

I think he and Usyk will ultimately wind up being solid contenders at Heavyweight. "Great Heavyweights"...I'd be pretty surprised at that.

I will go along with that prediction.

[Heretic]

Gassiev is really good.

And then there is the but part.

Hes fight against aging Lebedev was kind of alarming. The fight was not fought with murderous pace. Still Gassiev was exhausted at the end.

I see someone like Whyte or Chisora giving him really hard time. IF Lebedev was close to out muscling him how much of chance he has against much bigger and more durable opponents?

[Mexi-Box]

Gassiev is really good.

And then there is the but part.

Hes fight against aging Lebedev was kind of alarming. The fight was not fought with murderous pace. Still Gassiev was exhausted at the end.

I see someone like Whyte or Chisora giving him really hard time. IF Lebedev was close to out muscling him how much of chance he has against much bigger and more durable opponents?

Lebedev is athletic and highly skilled with a good gas tank. That was also Gassiev's first step up fight.

Also, I find it funny that you seriously mention Chisora and Whyte when they're both prone to gassing.

[Heretic]

Gassiev is really good.

And then there is the but part.

Hes fight against aging Lebedev was kind of alarming. The fight was not fought with murderous pace. Still Gassiev was exhausted at the end.

I see someone like Whyte or Chisora giving him really hard time. IF Lebedev was close to out muscling him how much of chance he has against much bigger and more durable opponents?

Lebedev is athletic and highly skilled with a good gas tank. That was also Gassiev's first step up fight.

Also, I find it funny that you seriously mention Chisora and Whyte when they're both prone to gassing.

Gassiev did look lot better against Dorticos...

I mentioned Chisora and Whyte because they both are big dudes that will apply constant pressure and both can take pretty good shot. That is the type of opponent that I could see Gassiev struggling with.

[Counter-puncher]

Gassiev is really good.

And then there is the but part.

Hes fight against aging Lebedev was kind of alarming. The fight was not fought with murderous pace. Still Gassiev was exhausted at the end.

I see someone like Whyte or Chisora giving him really hard time. IF Lebedev was close to out muscling him how much of chance he has against much bigger and more durable opponents?

Lebedev is athletic and highly skilled with a good gas tank. That was also Gassiev's first step up fight.

in any case Lebedev wasn't close to 'out-muscling' Gassiev, at all

Lebedev's entire gameplan was based around moving around Gassiev and giving him angles, circling away- once Gassiev started cutting his exits off to the right by tattooing him with the left to the liver, Lebedev actually made a really smart adjustment, moved to his leff instead, and instead of getting outside the front foot he shot his jab through the middle from inside the lead foot, and changed the angle on the left hand to more of a hook which he managed to land around and behind Gassiev's guard a little.

but as for 'out-muscled'? Lebedev didn't want to spend 3 seconds anywhere near close range to Gassiev, his little old legs were carrying him away from Gassiev as fast as they could carry him.

I'd give the guy some points if he'd said Lebedev almost used his veteran smarts to out-point Gassiev by engaging as little as possible and only on his terms. he no more out-muscled Gassiev than Floyd out-muscled Canelo.

[Heretic]

Gassiev is really good.

And then there is the but part.

Hes fight against aging Lebedev was kind of alarming. The fight was not fought with murderous pace. Still Gassiev was exhausted at the end.

I see someone like Whyte or Chisora giving him really hard time. IF Lebedev was close to out muscling him how much of chance he has against much bigger and more durable opponents?

Lebedev is athletic and highly skilled with a good gas tank. That was also Gassiev's first step up fight.

in any case Lebedev wasn't close to 'out-muscling' Gassiev, at all

Lebedev's entire gameplan was based around moving around Gassiev and giving him angles, circling away- once Gassiev started cutting his exits off to the right by tattooing him with the left to the liver, Lebedev actually made a really smart adjustment, moved to his leff instead, and instead of getting outside the front foot he shot his jab through the middle from inside the lead foot, and changed the angle on the left hand to more of a hook which he managed to land around and behind Gassiev's guard a little.

but as for 'out-muscled'? Lebedev didn't want to spend 3 seconds anywhere near close range to Gassiev, his little old legs were carrying him away from Gassiev as fast as they could carry him.

I'd give the guy some points if he'd said Lebedev almost used his veteran smarts to out-point Gassiev by engaging as little as possible and only on his terms. he no more out-muscled Gassiev than Floyd out-muscled Canelo.

I had the fight as real close one on my score card. The KD being the winning point for Gassiev. Gassiev was landing the cleaner better shots but Lebedev was landing more. Quality vs quantity kind of thing.

Gassiev seemed very tired at the end. I guess the high volume of punches he took trough the fight lead to that.

Lebedev did well to adjust against the left hook to the body. I think the one landed was not far from being game over for Lebedev. Gassiev tried to land few more of those same punches but did not find the target.

It's been while since I last watched that fight so I might be wrong but I remember Lebedev going forward for most of the fight.

[Counter-puncher]

Lebedev is athletic and highly skilled with a good gas tank. That was also Gassiev's first step up fight.

in any case Lebedev wasn't close to 'out-muscling' Gassiev, at all

Lebedev's entire gameplan was based around moving around Gassiev and giving him angles, circling away- once Gassiev started cutting his exits off to the right by tattooing him with the left to the liver, Lebedev actually made a really smart adjustment, moved to his leff instead, and instead of getting outside the front foot he shot his jab through the middle from inside the lead foot, and changed the angle on the left hand to more of a hook which he managed to land around and behind Gassiev's guard a little.

but as for 'out-muscled'? Lebedev didn't want to spend 3 seconds anywhere near close range to Gassiev, his little old legs were carrying him away from Gassiev as fast as they could carry him.

I'd give the guy some points if he'd said Lebedev almost used his veteran smarts to out-point Gassiev by engaging as little as possible and only on his terms. he no more out-muscled Gassiev than Floyd out-muscled Canelo.

Gassiev was landing the cleaner better shots but Lebedev was landing more. Quality vs quantity kind of thing.

Gassiev seemed very tired at the end. I guess the high volume of punches he took trough the fight lead to that.

Lebedev did well to adjust against the left hook to the body. I think the one landed was not far from being game over for Lebedev. Gassiev tried to land few more of those same punches but did not find the target.

It's been while since I last watched that fight so I might be wrong but I remember Lebedev going forward for most of the fight.

Gassiev was landing the cleaner better shots but Lebedev was landing more.

correct

Gassiev seemed very tired at the end. I guess the high volume of punches he took trough the fight lead to that.

i think more the punches he threw and missed thany anything Lebedev did, plus Gassiev looked pretty stiff that night and tense, which drains energy badly

It's been while since I last watched that fight so I might be wrong but I remember Lebedev going forward for most of the fight.

i think you remember wrong, he hardly backed Gassiev up at all, and especially after he got KD with the body shot worked very hard on lateral movement moving around Gassiev.

[Heretic]

in any case Lebedev wasn't close to 'out-muscling' Gassiev, at all

Lebedev's entire gameplan was based around moving around Gassiev and giving him angles, circling away- once Gassiev started cutting his exits off to the right by tattooing him with the left to the liver, Lebedev actually made a really smart adjustment, moved to his leff instead, and instead of getting outside the front foot he shot his jab through the middle from inside the lead foot, and changed the angle on the left hand to more of a hook which he managed to land around and behind Gassiev's guard a little.

but as for 'out-muscled'? Lebedev didn't want to spend 3 seconds anywhere near close range to Gassiev, his little old legs were carrying him away from Gassiev as fast as they could carry him.

I'd give the guy some points if he'd said Lebedev almost used his veteran smarts to out-point Gassiev by engaging as little as possible and only on his terms. he no more out-muscled Gassiev than Floyd out-muscled Canelo.

Gassiev was landing the cleaner better shots but Lebedev was landing more. Quality vs quantity kind of thing.

Gassiev seemed very tired at the end. I guess the high volume of punches he took trough the fight lead to that.

Lebedev did well to adjust against the left hook to the body. I think the one landed was not far from being game over for Lebedev. Gassiev tried to land few more of those same punches but did not find the target.

It's been while since I last watched that fight so I might be wrong but I remember Lebedev going forward for most of the fight.

Gassiev was landing the cleaner better shots but Lebedev was landing more.

correct

Gassiev seemed very tired at the end. I guess the high volume of punches he took trough the fight lead to that.

i think more the punches he threw and missed thany anything Lebedev did, plus Gassiev looked pretty stiff that night and tense, which drains energy badly

It's been while since I last watched that fight so I might be wrong but I remember Lebedev going forward for most of the fight.

i think you remember wrong, he hardly backed Gassiev up at all, and especially after he got KD with the body shot worked very hard on lateral movement moving around Gassiev.

You might be right about that Gassiev was tense in that fight. He was more relaxed against Dorticos.

According to compubox Gassiev threw 637 punches against Lebedev and 608 against Dorticos. So the pace was close to being same in both fights. Gassiev didn't seem fatigued against Dorticos.

I had to go to check the fight since I didn't remember it all that well.

It looks like you are right. Lebedev is on the back foot most of the fight. He does some harpoon attacks every now and then but mostly he moves backwards. And circles a lot. When they clinch Lebedev is rag dolling Gassiev but that's mostly because hes center of gravity is much lower than Murats. Maybe that's where I got the idea that Lebedev was out muscling him

Other thing I didn't remember was how good match that one was. One of my favorites from recent years

[Counter-puncher]

Other thing I didn't remember was how good match that one was. One of my favorites from recent years

agree, a fascinating style match, youth vs experience, the verteran crafty Lebedev trying to offset the bigger, bigger-punching man, volume guy vs power-puncher, etc etc, its an excellent fight

[DrDuke]

Gassiev can become a top heavyweight. I'm not sure in his success against the very best guys, but he can make some noise there. If he settles in the HW well, he will definitely have real chances against the likes of Whyte or Parker at least.