Who misses the 15 rd title fight?

[jpspice]

I think a lot of fights that have ended in a draw or a controversial decision that left one fan base or another disappointed, could have been resolved with 3 more rounds of fighting. Take Hagler/Leonard for example. I know Leonard negotiated a 12 rd fight (a fight that may have helped set the precedent for 12 rounders) which I think was smart in a squirrly kind of way, but it took away what used to be referred to as the "championship rounds" and a lot of the best drama IMO.

So, give Leonard the big ring, gloves, post fight cookies and milk... but give Hagler his 15 rds and he goes home with Leonard on the canvas!

Anyone have a good argument for 12 rd title fights?

[gilgamesh]

I definitely think an odd number of rounds is a good idea as it limits a draw. It'd be nice if they AT LEAST had a 13th round for Title fights.

But yeah I'd love to see 15 round fights return. Doubt they ever will, but I'd love it if they did.

Jose Luis Castillo would've stopped Casamayor in a 15 rounder, as it was he had to settle for a close Split Decision.

[SenorPipino]

A good argument might be that in an"agony" fight--a excruciatingly dull championship bout--it's better that it only lasts 12 instead of 15.

Witness Lueveno vs Dibb. Fury vs Klitschko. Would you have wanted an extra 3 rounds of those scintillating battles?

Saw Boom Boom Mancini last night on Golden Boy boxing. He mentioned that if his fight with Arguello had been a 12 rounder he would have been champion.

It's true that Mancini did pretty well against Arguello until he was eventually broken down.

But was he actually ahead after 12?

[Taansend]

I think it should be an option for unification fights.

I can understand the safety angle. I remember when boxing deaths & serious injuries were much more common but weigh ins the day before has been a massive help in regards to brain injuries.

12 round fights might be more suited to tv but with the new DAZN thing we might see a return in the future.

[oogiebe]

I do miss it. I can't count how many fights were decided in the traditional championship rounds. It's another level of conquest for fighters. Separates the good from the GREAT! I understand the reasons it was eliminated, but I do miss it.

[BoxBuzz]

....wouldn't hurt if we could keep an odd number of rounds.......less draws that way......I'd favor 13. Just because it's a very controversial number on all levels.

[Caractacus]

Isn't fair to the champions who won or lost their titles either in the 13th,14th or 15th rounds
previous to that.

[oogiebe]

Isn't fair to the champions who won or lost their titles either in the 13th,14th or 15th rounds
previous to that.

What isn't fair?

[Caractacus]

suupsose they went back and reviewed all the championship fights
that went over 12 rounds and then detemined who won up to the 12th round?
they would have to pick Jersey Joe Walcott over Rocky Marciano as winner by points.
Rocky's dramatic 13th round KO would not count.

[oogiebe]

suupsose they went back and reviewed all the championship fights
that went over 12 rounds and then detemined who won up to the 12th round?
they would have to pick Jersey Joe Walcott over Rocky Marciano as winner by points.
Rocky's dramatic 13th round KO would not count.

Oh I see. It would re-make history a lot. You can conversely look at 12 round Championship fights and say that so and so was coming on in the 12th and was robbed of the three more rounds to actually win, etc.

[littlepug]

suupsose they went back and reviewed all the championship fights
that went over 12 rounds and then detemined who won up to the 12th round?
they would have to pick Jersey Joe Walcott over Rocky Marciano as winner by points.
Rocky's dramatic 13th round KO would not count.

They would have fought differently if it was a 12 round fight just like Leonard/Hager would of had it been over 15.

[oogiebe]

suupsose they went back and reviewed all the championship fights
that went over 12 rounds and then detemined who won up to the 12th round?
they would have to pick Jersey Joe Walcott over Rocky Marciano as winner by points.
Rocky's dramatic 13th round KO would not count.

They would have fought differently if it was a 12 round fight just like Leonard/Hager would of had it been over 15.

That is a great point.

[DrDuke]

suupsose they went back and reviewed all the championship fights
that went over 12 rounds and then detemined who won up to the 12th round?
they would have to pick Jersey Joe Walcott over Rocky Marciano as winner by points.
Rocky's dramatic 13th round KO would not count.

They would have fought differently if it was a 12 round fight just like Leonard/Hager would of had it been over 15.

I agree. Those fights would have been completely different from the beginning, if they had been scheduled for 12 instead of 15.

And talking about today, I'm actually satisfied with 12. I like 15 rounded oldschool fights, they are pleasure to watch as they are. It's hard to imagine, how all of them would have gone with being 12 rounded. But probably it has declined to 12 for the reason. The main advantage of 15 is a lesser chance of going to draw, like it was mentioned before.

[Nile4000]

A good argument might be that in an"agony" fight--a excruciatingly dull championship bout--it's better that it only lasts 12 instead of 15.

Witness Lueveno vs Dibb. Fury vs Klitschko. Would you have wanted an extra 3 rounds of those scintillating battles?

Saw Boom Boom Mancini last night on Golden Boy boxing. He mentioned that if his fight with Arguello had been a 15 rounder he would have been champion.

It's true that Mancini did pretty well against Arguello until he was eventually broken down.

But was he actually ahead after 12?

Mancini's fight was a 15 rounder.

[SenorPipino]

A good argument might be that in an"agony" fight--a excruciatingly dull championship bout--it's better that it only lasts 12 instead of 15.

Witness Lueveno vs Dibb. Fury vs Klitschko. Would you have wanted an extra 3 rounds of those scintillating battles?

Saw Boom Boom Mancini last night on Golden Boy boxing. He mentioned that if his fight with Arguello had been a 15 rounder he would have been champion.

It's true that Mancini did pretty well against Arguello until he was eventually broken down.

But was he actually ahead after 12?

Mancini's fight was a 15 rounder.

I know. I just edited it.

I meant to originally type in 12. Mancini claimed he was ahead of Arguello after 12.

He very well might have been. But I haven't seen the scorecards thru 12.

[oogiebe]

I know. I just edited it.

I meant to originally type in 12. Mancini claimed he was ahead of Arguello after 12.

He very well might have been. But I haven't seen the scorecards thru 12.
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To another poster's point, Arquello may have had a "coasting" round that if it had been 12, he wouldn't have needed.

[BitPlayer]

suupsose they went back and reviewed all the championship fights
that went over 12 rounds and then detemined who won up to the 12th round?
they would have to pick Jersey Joe Walcott over Rocky Marciano as winner by points.
Rocky's dramatic 13th round KO would not count.

That doesn't really make sense, because things like strategy will change with length. Plus there have been plenty of other rules changes too.

[BitPlayer]

Crazy to think fights were scheduled for 3 times the length that was deemed too long.

[oogiebe]

Crazy to think fights were scheduled for 3 times the length that was deemed too long.

[SenorPipino]

How did fighters possibly go 45 rounds when we see so many appearing out of gas after just 6?

Can pacing explain it all?

[gilgamesh]

A good argument might be that in an"agony" fight--a excruciatingly dull championship bout--it's better that it only lasts 12 instead of 15.

Witness Lueveno vs Dibb. Fury vs Klitschko. Would you have wanted an extra 3 rounds of those scintillating battles?

Saw Boom Boom Mancini last night on Golden Boy boxing. He mentioned that if his fight with Arguello had been a 15 rounder he would have been champion.

It's true that Mancini did pretty well against Arguello until he was eventually broken down.

But was he actually ahead after 12?

Mancini's fight was a 15 rounder.

And he was stopped in the 14th by Arguello

[Abradolf Lincler]

How did fighters possibly go 45 rounds when we see so many appearing out of gas after just 6?

Can pacing explain it all?

No. From what I understand, it wasn't until the Walker Law in 1920 that rounds were officially 3 minutes long. Prior to that, what constituted a round was very different. Alas, I'm no expert on that era. Seems a good topic for a thread, actually.

[SenorPipino]

How did fighters possibly go 45 rounds when we see so many appearing out of gas after just 6?

Can pacing explain it all?

No. From what I understand, it wasn't until the Walker Law in 1920 that rounds were officially 3 minutes long. Prior to that, what constituted a round was very different. Alas, I'm no expert on that era. Seems a good topic for a thread, actually.

There was a time when a round lasted until a fighter was knocked down.

A round could be over in seconds.

That was undoubtedly pre-Marquess of Queensberry.

But Walker Law, as I understand it, did not introduce the 3 minute round (that was definitely a Queensberry regulation from the 19th century), but instead limited the actual number of rounds.

No more 45 round fights. 15 for a championship became the norm, although there were exceptions at least through the 30s.

Joe Louis had a few title defenses scheduled for 20 rounds, but the Brown Bomber never had to work overtime.

[scorpio83]

Yes, I miss the 15 round title fight and even though I was born at the end of the 15 round era, it would have been nice to bring it back and I watch most of the fights on YouTube. I would like to see how today fighters fight in the 15 round bout and how long they could hang with their durability.

[Nile4000]

A good argument might be that in an"agony" fight--a excruciatingly dull championship bout--it's better that it only lasts 12 instead of 15.

Witness Lueveno vs Dibb. Fury vs Klitschko. Would you have wanted an extra 3 rounds of those scintillating battles?

Saw Boom Boom Mancini last night on Golden Boy boxing. He mentioned that if his fight with Arguello had been a 15 rounder he would have been champion.

It's true that Mancini did pretty well against Arguello until he was eventually broken down.

But was he actually ahead after 12?

Mancini's fight was a 15 rounder.

And he was stopped in the 14th by Arguello

Oh yeah, remember that. Hated at the time that Mancini lost, but it worked out well for the both of them.