If Hughie Vacates

[tobyh5]

Joyce is criminally underrated on this forum. 4 fight novice yes, but surely we are better than that and can look past it. I have no doubt in my mind the Furys are avoiding the Joyce fight as far too likely he will be ripped to shreds

[Horse]

Price vacated after having the shite kicked out of him, twice, as I said which was the right decision.

Who was his mandatory? Chisora?

He never won the title outright, so I don't think it was clearly the right decision.

[theboxingmadman]

Risk vs reward. I'm sure if team Joyce comes up with an astronomical figure Hughie would accept.
But the fight doesn't sell and couldn't draw enough for a huge purse

I get the risk Vs reward debate, but where does Fury go next?

He will probably go after the alphabet groups regional titles to gain a high rating.
He's looking for a world title and not going to settle for domestic belts.

It's a shame

I don't think that Hennessy will be able to provide the high calibre opponents that Hughie's talent deserves.

Peter says Hughie is the "uncrowned heavyweight champ of the world". He'll stay uncrowned if he doesn't get the big fights and if his father continues to protect him as he does.

[tobyh5]

Price vacated after having the shite kicked out of him, twice, as I said which was the right decision.

Who was his mandatory? Chisora?

He never won the title outright, so I don't think it was clearly the right decision.

Ok, IMO it was the right decision as he needed rebuilding and confidence restoring.

[Horse]

Ok, IMO it was the right decision as he needed rebuilding and confidence restoring.

Yeah, but unless he had to fight someone as good as Chisora, then beating a few lower top 10 domestic opponents for the British title would have been a good way to restore confidence.

All he did instead was give up his title and fight a bunch of uninteresting journeymen for two years.

How did beating nobodies that no one cared about rebuild his confidence?

[Belaqua]

I long for the golden days of Scott Gammer Vs Mickey Steeds

[tobyh5]

Ok, IMO it was the right decision as he needed rebuilding and confidence restoring.

Yeah, but unless he had to fight someone as good as Chisora, then beating a few lower top 10 domestic opponents for the British title would have been a good way to restore confidence.

All he did instead was give up his title and fight a bunch of uninteresting journeymen for two years.

How did beating nobodies that no one cared about rebuild his confidence?

Possibly would have been a better route yeah but I understand why it was the decision they took. TBH I do not think anything would rebuild his confidence, subsequent years and now having the ability to be wise after the event allows us to see the fragility of Pricey

[Belaqua]

I said the last decade, hence did not refer to Williams previous .

Williams lost the title to Chisora in 2010

[tobyh5]

I said the last decade, hence did not refer to Williams previous .

Williams lost the title to Chisora in 2010

Which I mentioned in my first post.

Again, I was writing about the last decade and so did not refer to his previous reign as it was further back.

[ElJefe]

Joyce was vocal about wanting to fight Hughie for it. Not sure if that was a case of wanting the belt, wanting Hughie's name on his record, or both. Hopefully it was the first or third and he fights for the vacant title. Wouldn't surprise me if they went through Whyte, Chisora, Dubois, Gorman etc and they all turned it down. I think Warren maybe puts Gorman in with him but there's no chance that he risks Dubois. Price might take it. He seemed to have a bit of a "who gives a fvck, I just want to fight" vibe about him after the Povetkin defeat.

[Coco]

I dont think Either Fury or Joyce would be interested in fighting each other at this point.
It would be a step up for Gorman or Dubois.
Tyson, Chisora, Whyte or Haye wouldn't be interested in taking a step back unless the money was big enough..
I think Price would be interested.
And of course Sexton or Cornish would jump at getting back in the mix.

[jamamb]

wouldnt be surprised at joyce vs webb. webb isnt a young guy being built up and hes not doing bigger things. they fought in the ams

[KiwiRider]

Why not? I’m sure you know why not!

Duck?

Pete implied that because Joyce has only had four fights he doesn't deserve a fight with 'uncrowned world Champion' Hughie.

#ShadesOfChutney

Nice one!
It does have a whiff of the mallard about it.

[African Monkey]

wouldnt be surprised at joyce vs webb. webb isnt a young guy being built up and hes not doing bigger things. they fought in the ams

Sounds likely, or maybe Dave Allen gets another shot. Either way, it'll be Joyce v someone way down the pecking order. Maybe Kash Ali?

[ozzy1875]

wouldnt be surprised at joyce vs webb. webb isnt a young guy being built up and hes not doing bigger things. they fought in the ams

Sounds likely, or maybe Dave Allen gets another shot. Either way, it'll be Joyce v someone way down the pecking order. Maybe Kash Ali?

Dave Allen doesn't have any business being near the British title. Made his name off social media before losing to Dillian Whyte and Luis Ortiz and then he has an utter stinker against Lenroy Thomas. Again, an opportunity he didn't exactly deserve, but blew because he came in completely out of shape.

Allen needs to go away and actually beat somebody who is relatively relevant. Not, David Howe or Tom Dallas.

[African Monkey]

wouldnt be surprised at joyce vs webb. webb isnt a young guy being built up and hes not doing bigger things. they fought in the ams

Sounds likely, or maybe Dave Allen gets another shot. Either way, it'll be Joyce v someone way down the pecking order. Maybe Kash Ali?

Dave Allen doesn't have any business being near the British title. Made his name off social media before losing to Dillian Whyte and Luis Ortiz and then he has an utter stinker against Lenroy Thomas. Again, an opportunity he didn't exactly deserve, but blew because he came in completely out of shape.

Allen needs to go away and actually beat somebody who is relatively relevant. Not, David Howe or Tom Dallas.

I fully agree but it wouldn't suprise me at he same time if he gained another shot due to so many other candidates turning it down.

[Stuarty]

Plenty good fights to be made in a healthy domestic division. Hopefully all the contenders are actually willing to get it on! That's the main obstacle.

[TaveD]

I don't really see the point in Hughie vacating... yet.

He's not going to get a world title shot in the next few years and guys with rankings aren't going to fight him unless they are paid handsomely. He's a fighter that will be avoided, not because he is the amazing un-crowned world champion but because he is nearly impossible to look good against and the win (if they won) would do nothing for them career-wise.

Hughie would be better off fighting guys at a lower level (for now) who are genuinely coming to win and take the belt from him. He needs to get some aggression and become more of a "fighter" if he wants to progress. I don't want to use "toughen up" but I think that can be used here, just.

[bripez]

I don't really see the point in Hughie vacating... yet.

He's not going to get a world title shot in the next few years and guys with rankings aren't going to fight him unless they are paid handsomely. He's a fighter that will be avoided, not because he is the amazing un-crowned world champion but because he is nearly impossible to look good against and the win (if they won) would do nothing for them career-wise.

Hughie would be better off fighting guys at a lower level (for now) who are genuinely coming to win and take the belt from him. He needs to get some aggression and become more of a "fighter" if he wants to progress. I don't want to use "toughen up" but I think that can be used here, just.

I agree on all points.

Some good fights to be made - Chisora, Price, Gorman, Joyce, Dubois - and that is just in this country.

I bet none of these fights get made though.

[Crease]

I don't really see the point in Hughie vacating... yet.
He's not going to get a world title shot in the next few years
Hughie would be better off fighting guys at a lower level (for now) who are genuinely coming to win and take the belt from him.

I agree with these statements. I don't think it would do Fury any harm at all to take on 3 defenses and win the Lonsdale Belt outright. Whilst he's taking the 12-15 months to do that, the Heavyweight division should clear itself up.

[ElJefe]

What 5 fights would people put together at domestic level then? Assuming Whyte, Chisora, Price etc don't want to drop back down and taking into consideration whats realistic and whats not i.e. FW won't be doing Dubois vs Gorman just yet.

Hughie Fury vs Joe Joyce (British and Commonwealth titles)
Nathan Gorman vs Sam Sexton (British title eliminator)
Nick Webb vs Gary Cornish (British title eliminator)
Daniel Dubois vs Dave Allen (English title)
Kash Ali vs Sean Turner

Something along those lines would be decent. Then Gorman vs Webb assuming that they both win. Could move Dubois onto Cornish or Sexton if they both lose etc.

[Weirdyman]

I think Danny Williams was the last one to win the belt outright?

Price won it vs McDermott, then defended against Sexton, Harrison and Skelton.

[Tuan_Jim]

I long for the golden days of Scott Gammer Vs Mickey Steeds

Not to mention the Mike Holden/Julius Francis trilogy

[Horse]

Price won it vs McDermott, then defended against Sexton, Harrison and Skelton.

The McDermott fight was for the English title.

[ewenhay]

What 5 fights would people put together at domestic level then? Assuming Whyte, Chisora, Price etc don't want to drop back down and taking into consideration whats realistic and whats not i.e. FW won't be doing Dubois vs Gorman just yet.

Hughie Fury vs Joe Joyce (British and Commonwealth titles)
Nathan Gorman vs Sam Sexton (British title eliminator)
Nick Webb vs Gary Cornish (British title eliminator)
Daniel Dubois vs Dave Allen (English title)
Kash Ali vs Sean Turner

Something along those lines would be decent. Then Gorman vs Webb assuming that they both win. Could move Dubois onto Cornish or Sexton if they both lose etc.

Why would Price and Chisora be dropping down to fight Hughie Fury for the British title? what are these lofty heights they are currently campaigning at?