Sadam Ali vs. Jaime Munguia - May 12, 2018

[Mexi-Box]

By the way, wasn't Ali a huge underdog against Cotto? Maybe Cotto got setup too since Ali looked significantly bigger than him in the ring too.

Complete idiocy. As I said, I'm mainly seeing people from Al Gaymon's stable. They only do what they're told, and we know the beef between Gaymon/Goldenboy.

Munguia made weight. As I said, who the hell else would take a fight on a short notice other than a journeyman or a prospect, i.e. Munguia. By the way, Ali inhabits the same division as Hurd who is similar in size to Munguia. If Ali and Hurd unified, would there be the same outrage?

Seriously, this is just making me mad. This is what's wrong with boxing.

[DA1]

Even if he was set up, Ali controls what happens in and out of that ring. The fighter determines if he wins or loses a lot more than the promoter.

Thanks for stating the obvious. After all, if you put Inoue in with Lomachenko. Inoue decides if he wins or loses. But that's why the small guy doesn't fight the larger guy, unless its a mando. Which this wasn't. Sadam took the fight like a dumbass, so he takes blame for that. And a man's own promoter just gave him a fight he ended up destroyed in, they take blame for that.

But if the promoter only offers you one fighter, you've gotta take it. You just spent months training, spending money and sweat. Does that go to waste? He just lost money on camp, forget make any. He has to pay his coaches/cornermen. This is how you trap a fighter.


Listen to what Paulie says here, its not rocket science:

Spent money on training camp. He hasn't made a lot of money yet so the money spent on Camp isn't recovered if you don't fight. So YES he had to agree when GBP gave only Munguia as the replacement opponent option. - Paulie Malignaggi

Still, if he was a better fighter, it wouldn't have mattered. Screw all this "They shouldn't put me in the ring with him" He's a boxer and his job is to box. If you can't be someone, so be it. That's why they compete.

So they put him in with Wilder and its his job to compete? Get off the Mexican meat, amigo.

Its the promoter and management's job to look after the fighter, both of them failed him. Especially the promoter who literally "set up" the fight. The WBO didn't ask him to fight Munguia, neither did Ali ask for him. Golden Boy put him on the table on short-notice and he had to take it or risk losing all the money he trained for and owes his corner..

Except they could have brought him literally anyone, even an unranked, because he would have to fight his mando Liam Smith afterward anyways. But they chose to go with a Mexican guy who outsized him by several inches. Aside from Hurd, Munguia is the tallest guy in the entire division.

That's why I don't blame Munguia or Sadam, I blame the promoter who was clearly not looking out for its own champion. Don King level sh-t.

[SenorPipino]

If you can't beat the inexperienced, untested challengers out there, maybe you don't deserve to be called a champion.

If every champ and fighter had to be babied and protected, fight in and fight out, boxing would be a pretty crappy sport.

[Mexi-Box]

Thanks for stating the obvious. After all, if you put Inoue in with Lomachenko. Inoue decides if he wins or loses. But that's why the small guy doesn't fight the larger guy, unless its a mando. Which this wasn't. Sadam took the fight like a dumbass, so he takes blame for that. And a man's own promoter just gave him a fight he ended up destroyed in, they take blame for that.

But if the promoter only offers you one fighter, you've gotta take it. You just spent months training, spending money and sweat. Does that go to waste? He just lost money on camp, forget make any. He has to pay his coaches/cornermen. This is how you trap a fighter.


Listen to what Paulie says here, its not rocket science:

Spent money on training camp. He hasn't made a lot of money yet so the money spent on Camp isn't recovered if you don't fight. So YES he had to agree when GBP gave only Munguia as the replacement opponent option. - Paulie Malignaggi

Still, if he was a better fighter, it wouldn't have mattered. Screw all this "They shouldn't put me in the ring with him" He's a boxer and his job is to box. If you can't be someone, so be it. That's why they compete.

So they put him in with Wilder and its his job to compete? Get off the Mexican meat, amigo.

Its the promoter and management's job to look after the fighter, both of them failed him. Especially the promoter who literally "set up" the fight. The WBO didn't ask him to fight Munguia, neither did Ali ask for him. Golden Boy put him on the table on short-notice and he had to take it or risk losing all the money he trained for and owes his corner..

Except they could have brought him literally anyone, even an unranked, because he would have to fight his mando Liam Smith afterward anyways. But they chose to go with a Mexican guy who outsized him by several inches. Aside from Hurd, Munguia is the tallest guy in the entire division.

That's why I don't blame Munguia or Sadam, I blame the promoter who was clearly not looking out for its own champion. Don King level sh-t.

You're arguing to make this sport even weaker. Listen to yourself. Easily, as I said, this is just Gaymon trying to put pressure on GBP because of their rivalry.

They gave Ali a young, untested prospect. Ali was the favorite going in. It's like blaming the promoter for giving their champion any fight they can't win.

[IKSRTFO]

Thanks for stating the obvious. After all, if you put Inoue in with Lomachenko. Inoue decides if he wins or loses. But that's why the small guy doesn't fight the larger guy, unless its a mando. Which this wasn't. Sadam took the fight like a dumbass, so he takes blame for that. And a man's own promoter just gave him a fight he ended up destroyed in, they take blame for that.

But if the promoter only offers you one fighter, you've gotta take it. You just spent months training, spending money and sweat. Does that go to waste? He just lost money on camp, forget make any. He has to pay his coaches/cornermen. This is how you trap a fighter.


Listen to what Paulie says here, its not rocket science:

Spent money on training camp. He hasn't made a lot of money yet so the money spent on Camp isn't recovered if you don't fight. So YES he had to agree when GBP gave only Munguia as the replacement opponent option. - Paulie Malignaggi

Still, if he was a better fighter, it wouldn't have mattered. Screw all this "They shouldn't put me in the ring with him" He's a boxer and his job is to box. If you can't be someone, so be it. That's why they compete.

So they put him in with Wilder and its his job to compete? Get off the Mexican meat, amigo.

Its the promoter and management's job to look after the fighter, both of them failed him. Especially the promoter who literally "set up" the fight. The WBO didn't ask him to fight Munguia, neither did Ali ask for him. Golden Boy put him on the table on short-notice and he had to take it or risk losing all the money he trained for and owes his corner..

Except they could have brought him literally anyone, even an unranked, because he would have to fight his mando Liam Smith afterward anyways. But they chose to go with a Mexican guy who outsized him by several inches. Aside from Hurd, Munguia is the tallest guy in the entire division.

That's why I don't blame Munguia or Sadam, I blame the promoter who was clearly not looking out for its own champion. Don King level sh-t.

Stop living in fantasyland. Wilder doesn't fight at 154. Ali does and Munguia does so a fighter's job is to fight fighters in his weightclass regardless of who they are of what type of threat they pose. That's what's wrong with boxing. Everyone wants to be protected. If only the NBA and NFL operated this way.

[DA1]

Stop living in fantasyland. Wilder doesn't fight at 154. Ali does and Munguia does so a fighter's job is to fight fighters in his weightclass regardless of who they are of what type of threat they pose. That's what's wrong with boxing. Everyone wants to be protected. If only the NBA and NFL operated this way.

You actually got to work your way up to get a title shot, amigo. Being Mexican, simply being alive means you've earned the right to be ranked...and simply being ranked means you've earned the right to a title shot? You've got guys like Magomed Kurbanov who was ranked #1-#3 for months before suddenly being removed (whatever the reason was). I wouldn't have mind seeing him fight Sadam.

Liam Smith deserved a title shot, and he got it. What Munguia was, is what they call a bait and switch. Paulie Malignaggi already explained how Sadam was cornered and screwed. Plenty of fighters also called it like they saw it.

[DA1]

You're arguing to make this sport even weaker. Listen to yourself. Easily, as I said, this is just Gaymon trying to put pressure on GBP because of their rivalry.

They gave Ali a young, untested prospect. Ali was the favorite going in. It's like blaming the promoter for giving their champion any fight they can't win.

Nope, I actually want capable fighters getting their shot. Not whatever the latest Mexican/British/American "golden boy" is. That is what's wrong with the sport. We have certain fighters who are pushed into the limelight because of their origin or the promotional relationships with governing bodies, and fighters from other country's or demographics who are kept from receiving that same privilege. Complaining about the double-standards doesn't make the sport weaker, that's what we have already (protectionism and favorable matchups). Its just being applied differently.


You got Cotto who everytime he loses a belt, got an instant titleshot at another weight class or governing body. How many foreign fighters got that privilege? Your standard US/Mexico/UK fighter will get 2 or 3 cracks at a title if he even loses the first. How many foreign fighters get that? They lose a title shot, they might never get one again. They got to really WORK and struggle to get a second titleshot. Even close fights don't get a rematch, because rematch-clauses are only written to benefit the stars from North America/UK. Someone like an Indongo or Lipinets won't get one, but if Crawford or Garcia lost, TRUST me its already written they get the rematch.

Exposing this bullsh-t doesn't mean I want a weaker sport, quit the contrary. It means we're tired of this political bullsh-t. In the case of Sadam, they saw easy pickings: rather than lose the belt to someone else down the road, they made sure the Mexican "golden boy" got it. More money to be made that way.

[Mexi-Box]

Stop living in fantasyland. Wilder doesn't fight at 154. Ali does and Munguia does so a fighter's job is to fight fighters in his weightclass regardless of who they are of what type of threat they pose. That's what's wrong with boxing. Everyone wants to be protected. If only the NBA and NFL operated this way.

You actually got to work your way up to get a title shot, amigo. Being Mexican, simply being alive means you've earned the right to be ranked...and simply being ranked means you've earned the right to a title shot? You've got guys like Magomed Kurbanov who was ranked #1-#3 for months before suddenly being removed (whatever the reason was). I wouldn't have mind seeing him fight Sadam.

Liam Smith deserved a title shot, and he got it. What Munguia was, is what they call a bait and switch. Paulie Malignaggi already explained how Sadam was cornered and screwed. Plenty of fighters also called it like they saw it.

Here, you are simply arguing about the nature of boxing. When was the last time a true, legit contender fought for a singular title? Usyk got a shot at Glowacki without deserving it. Did you complain about how it was unfair to Glowacki and his promoter set him up? How about Lomachenko getting an undeserved title shot against Salido? This happens often in boxing.

By the way, Kurbanov no more deserved the title shot than Munguia. Who the hell did Kurbanov beat? Here, you are seriously just grasping for straws. "Why did they not ask this other untested, undeserved prospect instead of this other untested, undeserved prospect?"

Malignaggi is an effing idiot. Guy says some of the dumbest things, and he's obviously just being a puppet for Gaymon here like the rest of those clowns. They didn't call it like the saw it. Most likely, they aren't even in charge of their own social media.

Smith pulled out of the fight, they gave Munguia up to Ali on a short notice. Ali agreed to take the fight. Munguia made weight, Ali made weight, Ali was favored to win, Ali lost. Where is the controversy? Yeah, you could go down the list and jot down names of several 154 lb. fighter that could've stepped in, but why the hell would GBP go down a list and take even more time when Ali really wanted to fight on that specific date? They had a fighter that was ready from the get-go because he was preparing to replace Canelo in the Golovkin fight?

Stop this nonsense. You are seriously arguing that a champion had to fight someone in his division he could lose to. You may as well be arguing against a champion ever taking a risky fight.

[Mexi-Box]

You're arguing to make this sport even weaker. Listen to yourself. Easily, as I said, this is just Gaymon trying to put pressure on GBP because of their rivalry.

They gave Ali a young, untested prospect. Ali was the favorite going in. It's like blaming the promoter for giving their champion any fight they can't win.

Nope, I actually want capable fighters getting their shot. Not whatever the latest Mexican/British/American "golden boy" is. That is what's wrong with the sport. We have certain fighters who are pushed into the limelight because of their origin or the promotional relationships with governing bodies, and fighters from other country's or demographics who are kept from receiving that same privilege. Complaining about the double-standards doesn't make the sport weaker, that's what we have already (protectionism and favorable matchups). Its just being applied differently.


You got Cotto who everytime he loses a belt, got an instant titleshot at another weight class or governing body. How many foreign fighters got that privilege? Your standard US/Mexico/UK fighter will get 2 or 3 cracks at a title if he even loses the first. How many foreign fighters get that? They lose a title shot, they might never get one again. They got to really WORK and struggle to get a second titleshot. Even close fights don't get a rematch, because rematch-clauses are only written to benefit the stars from North America/UK. Someone like an Indongo or Lipinets won't get one, but if Crawford or Garcia lost, TRUST me its already written they get the rematch.

Exposing this bullsh-t doesn't mean I want a weaker sport, quit the contrary. It means we're tired of this political bullsh-t. In the case of Sadam, they saw easy pickings: rather than lose the belt to someone else down the road, they made sure the Mexican "golden boy" got it. More money to be made that way.

As I said, you're arguing something completely different here. You're arguing about the nature of this sport. This is pretty much how the majority of boxing is nowadays. What happened with Ali, though, was not controversial given all the precedents this sport has set.

But you aren't exposing bull. This is something EVERYONE knows. What you are doing is advocating for protectionism. As I said, Munguia was no "bait-and-switch." He came in on a short notice, made weight, and beat the champion.

[boxing_rocks]

[IKSRTFO]

Stop living in fantasyland. Wilder doesn't fight at 154. Ali does and Munguia does so a fighter's job is to fight fighters in his weightclass regardless of who they are of what type of threat they pose. That's what's wrong with boxing. Everyone wants to be protected. If only the NBA and NFL operated this way.

You actually got to work your way up to get a title shot, amigo. Being Mexican, simply being alive means you've earned the right to be ranked...and simply being ranked means you've earned the right to a title shot? You've got guys like Magomed Kurbanov who was ranked #1-#3 for months before suddenly being removed (whatever the reason was). I wouldn't have mind seeing him fight Sadam.

Liam Smith deserved a title shot, and he got it. What Munguia was, is what they call a bait and switch. Paulie Malignaggi already explained how Sadam was cornered and screwed. Plenty of fighters also called it like they saw it.

Obviously he deserved a title shot if he was capable of beating Ali, the champ at 154.

[SenorPipino]

Munguia is just like fellow Mexican Pipino Cuevas.

He comes out of nowhere as a youngster to annihilate the reigning champion and capture the title.

Both are huge hitters.

Pipino became one of boxing's biggest stars when he ruled the welterweight. Munguia has the same opportunity.

Ali would never have been a star. He's been a pro for 9 years and was a decided underdog to the aging, retiring Cotto.

Ali was in the right place at the right time the night he upset Cotto.

He wasn't so fortunate against Munguia.

Boxing is fortunate that the unheralded Mexican received his unexpected close up when Smith dropped out.

The sport can always use a sudden infusion of exciting talent.

Munguia may prove to be boxing's Next Big Thing.

PPV headlining is around the corner.