Flump wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 13:21
One question I have, what sort of purses was Scott getting, presumably he was getting paid and then having the money stashed away in a bank somewhere?
This is what I dug up by doing some quick google searches.
For his February 1979 fight with Jerry Celestine, Scott was paid $7,000. The money was put into a trust fund pending his release. Incidentally, that match was scrapped and replaced with Scott vs. Richie Kates a month later. I imagine Scott's purse remained the same. https://www.nytimes.com/1979/02/01/arch ... times.html
For his May 1980 bout against Jerry Martin, Scott split $105,000 in purse money with his opponent. No word on how the cash was split, or how Scott's share was handled. https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid= ... 5393&hl=en
I didn't have time to look up more purse history for Scott.
Thanks Ron.
A Bernard Fernandez article reporting the passing of Scott mentioned that Scott was paid $2500 for his upset win over Gregory.
Gregory, the #1 contender looking for an easy payday as a warm up to a proposed bout with champ Mike Rossman, earned $15,000.
SenorPipino wrote: ↑15 May 2018, 11:40
A Bernard Fernandez article reporting the passing of Scott mentioned that Scott was paid $2500 for his upset win over Gregory.
Gregory, the #1 contender looking for an easy payday as a warm up to a proposed bout with champ Mike Rossman, earned $15,000.
Yes, Gregory really lost a lot when Scott knocked him off that day. That's because Gregory was Rossman's mandatory challenger for the WBA title. Gregory would have beaten Rossman had that fight come off.
Gregory's 1978 disaster against Scott marked the second time he blew a chance to become world champ. The first time was in 1977, when Gregory allowed a victory over WBA champion to slip through his fingers. On that occasion, Gregory lost a disputed, razor thin decision to the Argentine.
As matters stood, Gregory had to wait until 1978 to claim the WBA title. That's when he KO'd Marvin Johnson in 11 rounds. Gregory's title reign was three years overdue, you could say.
Nile4000 wrote: ↑14 May 2018, 15:54
RIP James. Real good fighter. But the main question is could he have beaten Saad Muhammad, Spinks, or Marvin Johnson in fights?
My hunch is that Scott would have had a serious chance at beating both, at least on his best day. That's with particular respect to Johnson.
Nile4000 wrote: ↑14 May 2018, 15:54
RIP James. Real good fighter. But the main question is could he have beaten Saad Muhammad, Spinks, or Marvin Johnson in fights?
My hunch is that Scott would have had a serious chance at beating both, at least on his best day. That's with particular respect to Johnson.
That's just my guess though.
To be honest too, would have love to see him fight Rossman, Conteh, and Galindez. But those guys probably didn't want to go to Rahway to fight.
Nile4000 wrote: ↑14 May 2018, 15:54
RIP James. Real good fighter. But the main question is could he have beaten Saad Muhammad, Spinks, or Marvin Johnson in fights?
My hunch is that Scott would have had a serious chance at beating both, at least on his best day. That's with particular respect to Johnson.
That's just my guess though.
To be honest too, would have love to see him fight Rossman, Conteh, and Galindez. But those guys probably didn't want to go to Rahway to fight.
Assuming they were rewarded with an enticing payday, they probably wouldn't have been too concerned about going to Rahway.
I wonder if James Scott had ever worked on an autobiography of his when he was incarcerated ?
People can learn from other people's lives,particularly as a result from consequences.
He was born in Newark New Jersey in 1947.
Did he live throught the infamous 1967 riots there ?
He would have been 20 yrs old then.Did he ever say anthing about that time ?
( Marvelous Marvin Hagler was also born(in 1954) and grew up Newark NJ,but his family moved to Brockton MA after the riots.)
I visited James in Northern State Prison in Newark about 2003. He had his faculties then and we spent about an hour together. Oddly enough, I jumped into Eddie Mustafa Muhammad outside at the Holiday Inn next-door. I asked him if he had been to see James, but he had no idea Scott was there, he had been staying in the hotel while training fighters.
When Scott came out, he worked with the kids at Goss and Goss Boxing and Sammy Goss told me how good he was with the youngsters. Then I heard his health as faltering. Next thing I know he was being cared for.
30 for 30 got in touch with me for their podcast with him last year. It makes for a pretty sobering listen.
Caractacus wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 12:50
I wonder if James Scott had ever worked on an autobiography of his when he was incarcerated ?
People can learn from other people's lives,particularly as a result from consequences.
He was born in Newark New Jersey in 1947.
Did he live throught the infamous 1967 riots there ?
He would have been 20 yrs old then.Did he ever say anthing about that time ?
( Marvelous Marvin Hagler was also born(in 1954) and grew up Newark NJ,but his family moved to Brockton MA after the riots.)
Did James Scott ever cross paths with Ruben Carter at Rahway?
I read somewhere the two did spar at Trenton State Prison back in 1967.
(Scott was serving 13 to 17 years for armed robbery).
Scott had an amateur record of 3-2 then.
He was the only inmate who could go 3 rounds with Carter)
check out this in-depth article. https://www.sbnation.com/longform/2014/ ... er-profile
Mike Rossman was the reigning WBA champion when Scott burst upon the light heavyweight scene with his 12 round decision win over the then-#1 contender Eddie Gregory. When asked by Sports Illustrated whether he'd allow his son to meet Scott in the ring Rossman's father/manager said that he's "never allow his son to go near that animal".
Which illustrates the troubles that Scott faced when it came to his inability to get the champions of the day to fight him.
Although, if I'm not mistaken, there was some talk of Mathew Saad Muhammad fighting him in a non-title fight if Scott had beaten Jerry "The Bull" Martin in May of 1980. But, it wasn't to be.
Caractacus wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 12:50
I wonder if James Scott had ever worked on an autobiography of his when he was incarcerated ?
People can learn from other people's lives,particularly as a result from consequences.
He was born in Newark New Jersey in 1947.
Did he live throught the infamous 1967 riots there ?
He would have been 20 yrs old then.Did he ever say anthing about that time ?
( Marvelous Marvin Hagler was also born(in 1954) and grew up Newark NJ,but his family moved to Brockton MA after the riots.)
Did James Scott ever cross paths with Ruben Carter at Rahway?
Scott crossed paths with Carter at Trenton State Prison in 1967 (he was in and out of jail all his life) and even sparred him. Carter was impressed and advised him to take up boxing once he got out. Scott did just that and turned pro and went unbeaten but he was soon in trouble again.
Nile4000 wrote: ↑15 May 2018, 21:08
To be honest too, would have love to see him fight Rossman, Conteh, and Galindez. But those guys probably didn't want to go to Rahway to fight.
If I remember correctly, Scott had a WBC world title fight lined up with John Conteh in 1975. It fell through when Scott got arrested and sent to jail.
Scott vs Conteh in 1975 would have been a fascinating fight. There's the serious possibility that Scott might have won the fight too. Scott was inexperienced as a pro at that time, but he was still very strong and aggressive. He had just beaten the formidable Jesse Burnett when the Conteh bout was inked.
Nile4000 wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 17:52
Chances are that James may have had to go to England for that shot at the championship, so he probably would have lost a close decision.
But Would he have been given a passport to England tho ?
Nile4000 wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 17:52
Chances are that James may have had to go to England for that shot at the championship, so he probably would have lost a close decision.
But Would he have been given a passport to England tho ?
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