AJ refuses to fight outside UK---turns down $50 million guarantee with no cap !

[Serragon]

In my opinion it really comes down to this...

Both sides agree that there is more money if the fight is in the US.

Joshua doesn't really care too much about that extra cash as he is already going to make a ton. He feels that he has spent a lot of time building up his name and is loyal to his UK fans. He values his UK fans and the advantage of fighting in the UK more than he values the difference in $$$ between a UK and US fight.

Wilder does care about the extra money as he is going to be making much less. He values the extra cash and the advantage of fightin in the US over fighting in the UK. From his persepective, a UK is all risk with no upside.

I understand both fighters positions. I think ultimately the fight will be in the US. There is really no reason for Wilder to fight in the UK. He gets less money and gives Joshua home field advantage. It is all risk from his point of view. Ultimately Joshua will take the extra cash and fight in Vegas w/ a possible rematch clause for the UK.

[ewenhay]

In my opinion it really comes down to this...

Both sides agree that there is more money if the fight is in the US.

Joshua doesn't really care too much about that extra cash as he is already going to make a ton. He feels that he has spent a lot of time building up his name and is loyal to his UK fans. He values his UK fans and the advantage of fighting in the UK more than he values the difference in $$$ between a UK and US fight.

Wilder does care about the extra money as he is going to be making much less. He values the extra cash and the advantage of fightin in the US over fighting in the UK. From his persepective, a UK is all risk with no upside.

I understand both fighters positions. I think ultimately the fight will be in the US. There is really no reason for Wilder to fight in the UK. He gets less money and gives Joshua home field advantage. It is all risk from his point of view. Ultimately Joshua will take the extra cash and fight in Vegas w/ a possible rematch clause for the UK.

Yeah that's a pretty good summary

[MrGuy]

Klitschko was over the hill. Didn't Parker basically beat nobody, and look bad in his fights leading up to Joshua? Who has Whyte beat?

I get roasted for stating the same opinion.
I'm not impressed by the resume of either fighter.
I find this fight a legitimate 50-50

[Serragon]

In order to compare 2 things, you need a standard of measurement. We do not have that in this case. There is no real way to compare the resumes of each fighter and come to any solid conclusions.

The heavyweight division is top heavy and the guys in the middle don't mix it up enough to be able to know anything. Rankings wise, it appears that Joshua has been in with a bit tougher competition, but rankings are mostly subjective. There is really not much of a competitive difference between #6-15 in the heavyweight division, so I'm not sure anything meaningful can be gleaned from beating a #6 instead of a #12.

It has been brought up that Wilder has been in tough in most of his fights. That is true, but that is also his style. He is willing to give up rounds and not take risks in order to set up his power punches later in the fight. Unless he simply has no respect for your ability and power (like Stiverne 2) he is patient. Until one of these mid level guys goes the distance with Wilder, we can't really criticize his strategy. It has worked to near perfection for him.

Both men have taken care of business against everyone put in front of them. Both have great strengths and discernable flaws. I personally think Joshua will win this fight. But that is just a gut feeling. I hope this fight gets made and we get the chance to see these 2 very different fighters try and implement their strategies. May the best man win (and then the other guy in the rematch so we get a third fight).

[oogiebe]

In order to compare 2 things, you need a standard of measurement. We do not have that in this case. There is no real way to compare the resumes of each fighter and come to any solid conclusions.

The heavyweight division is top heavy and the guys in the middle don't mix it up enough to be able to know anything. Rankings wise, it appears that Joshua has been in with a bit tougher competition, but rankings are mostly subjective. There is really not much of a competitive difference between #6-15 in the heavyweight division, so I'm not sure anything meaningful can be gleaned from beating a #6 instead of a #12.

It has been brought up that Wilder has been in tough in most of his fights. That is true, but that is also his style. He is willing to give up rounds and not take risks in order to set up his power punches later in the fight. Unless he simply has no respect for your ability and power (like Stiverne 2) he is patient. Until one of these mid level guys goes the distance with Wilder, we can't really criticize his strategy. It has worked to near perfection for him.

Both men have taken care of business against everyone put in front of them. Both have great strengths and discernable flaws. I personally think Joshua will win this fight. But that is just a gut feeling. I hope this fight gets made and we get the chance to see these 2 very different fighters try and implement their strategies. May the best man win (and then the other guy in the rematch so we get a third fight).

Thanks for the sanity check. Well done.

[MrGuy]

Klitschko was over the hill. Didn't Parker basically beat nobody, and look bad in his fights leading up to Joshua? Who has Whyte beat?

Klitscho is an all time legend, Parker has never been beaten by anyone, and neither have several of Parker his opponents, including opponents Wilder ran away scared for.
Whyte is undefeated as well, both before, as well as after the AJ fight. And Whyte also fought several undefeated guys, one of them quite recently actually. Wilder should proof himself against Whyte, who's better then Breazeale, meanwhile Ortiz should proof himself against Browne for example.

Doesn't change the fact he had seen better days. Parker wasn't beaten by anyone outside of Joshua. But who did he beat that makes you say he's overly good? Or Whyte? Records get padded.

[tiny_acres]

In order to compare 2 things, you need a standard of measurement. We do not have that in this case. There is no real way to compare the resumes of each fighter and come to any solid conclusions.

The heavyweight division is top heavy and the guys in the middle don't mix it up enough to be able to know anything. Rankings wise, it appears that Joshua has been in with a bit tougher competition, but rankings are mostly subjective. There is really not much of a competitive difference between #6-15 in the heavyweight division, so I'm not sure anything meaningful can be gleaned from beating a #6 instead of a #12.

It has been brought up that Wilder has been in tough in most of his fights. That is true, but that is also his style. He is willing to give up rounds and not take risks in order to set up his power punches later in the fight. Unless he simply has no respect for your ability and power (like Stiverne 2) he is patient. Until one of these mid level guys goes the distance with Wilder, we can't really criticize his strategy. It has worked to near perfection for him.

Both men have taken care of business against everyone put in front of them. Both have great strengths and discernable flaws. I personally think Joshua will win this fight. But that is just a gut feeling. I hope this fight gets made and we get the chance to see these 2 very different fighters try and implement their strategies. May the best man win (and then the other guy in the rematch so we get a third fight).

Thanks for the sanity check. Well done.

[Like a Boss]

Klitschko was over the hill. Didn't Parker basically beat nobody, and look bad in his fights leading up to Joshua? Who has Whyte beat?

I get roasted for stating the same opinion.
I'm not impressed by the resume of either fighter.
I find this fight a legitimate 50-50

I agree it is a fight either could win and I am sure that is part of the reason for the cat and mouse negotiations. It isn't just an earner. It is a contest.

[tiny_acres]

Klitschko was over the hill. Didn't Parker basically beat nobody, and look bad in his fights leading up to Joshua? Who has Whyte beat?

I get roasted for stating the same opinion.
I'm not impressed by the resume of either fighter.
I find this fight a legitimate 50-50

I agree it is a fight either could win and I am sure that is part of the reason for the cat and mouse negotiations. It isn't just an earner. It is a contest.

It's the only big money heavyweight fight that makes sense.

[jamamb]

aj clearly has the better resume. some guy here is gong after ppl such as wlad and joe and whyte but lol we can do that wth stverne too. dude got stopped by a losing record journyeman and drew vs another journeyman. and was down on all 3 cards vs 40 year old ray austn. yet that stll was easly one of bermanes best wns. and hes prob #2 on deontays resume. artur was 2x lfe and death vs mollo. washgnton couldnt beat mansour and got battered by baby. etc. scott had already been run over and stopped by gatekeeper chsora . etc

we can do this wth so many fghters on each record. comparing the resumes is more then that. overall cant see how aj hasnt fought better opponents. 'omg its all subjectve' isnt really a good argument

they for me have the 2 best records at hw over the past few years. aj 1 and wlder 2. seems to be the case for most lists based on record including every record based computer rateing ive seen. records dont win fghts though and obvously if they meet it comes down to more then that.

hopefully we get it. a fght means so much more then any of this.

[candyslim]

Someone Cliff Notes EO's post. IT's too long for me to read.

You can say what you think in two lines but if you want to explain why you think that, it's going to take a little longer. You cannot construct a meaningful argument in two lines.

If I'm the defendent I'd hate to have you and Tiny on the jury ... "Oh I can't be bothered to listen to all that crap -let's just vote him guilty then we can go find a bar somewhere"

[oogiebe]

Someone Cliff Notes EO's post. IT's too long for me to read.

You can say what you think in two lines but if you want to explain why you think that, it's going to take a little longer. You cannot construct a meaningful argument in two lines.

If I'm the defendent I'd hate to have you and Tiny on the jury ... "Oh I can't be bothered to listen to all that crap -let's just vote him guilty then we can go find a bar somewhere"

...is that wrong...?

[greg]

Someone Cliff Notes EO's post. IT's too long for me to read.

You can say what you think in two lines but if you want to explain why you think that, it's going to take a little longer. You cannot construct a meaningful argument in two lines.

If I'm the defendent I'd hate to have you and Tiny on the jury ... "Oh I can't be bothered to listen to all that crap -let's just vote him guilty then we can go find a bar somewhere"

...is that wrong...?

..depending on who is in the dock I guess

[oogiebe]

You can say what you think in two lines but if you want to explain why you think that, it's going to take a little longer. You cannot construct a meaningful argument in two lines.

If I'm the defendent I'd hate to have you and Tiny on the jury ... "Oh I can't be bothered to listen to all that crap -let's just vote him guilty then we can go find a bar somewhere"

...is that wrong...?

..depending on who is in the dock I guess

not me boss!

[candyslim]

Someone Cliff Notes EO's post. IT's too long for me to read.

You can say what you think in two lines but if you want to explain why you think that, it's going to take a little longer. You cannot construct a meaningful argument in two lines.

If I'm the defendent I'd hate to have you and Tiny on the jury ... "Oh I can't be bothered to listen to all that crap -let's just vote him guilty then we can go find a bar somewhere"

...is that wrong...?

If it's me then yes very wrong.

You know I never heard the phrase "Cliff notes" until today when I read your post, then this evening I'm watching "The Looming Tower" and I hear/encounter it for the second time in my life, how weird is that ?

The lady who used it was Condoleeza Rice. Unrelated to that, the programme makers have either done her a massive injustice or for someone of high intelligence she really was/is one arrogant and stupid a-hole.

[oogiebe]

You can say what you think in two lines but if you want to explain why you think that, it's going to take a little longer. You cannot construct a meaningful argument in two lines.

If I'm the defendent I'd hate to have you and Tiny on the jury ... "Oh I can't be bothered to listen to all that crap -let's just vote him guilty then we can go find a bar somewhere"

...is that wrong...?

If it's me then yes very wrong.

You know I never heard the phrase "Cliff notes" until today when I read your post, then this evening I'm watching "The Looming Tower" and I hear/encounter it for the second time in my life, how weird is that ?

The lady who used it was Condoleeza Rice. Unrelated to that, the programme makers have either done her a massive injustice or for someone of high intelligence she really was/is one arrogant and stupid a-hole.

If on a jury, I would've read the whole thing (listened to every witness, etc.). But on here? I opt out of diatribes as much as is possible. Gotta pick yer spots with everything. Regarding Rice, I'd bet she was done a massive injustice. She is anything but arrogant and an a-hole. Funny coinkydink.

[MrGuy]

aj clearly has the better resume. some guy here is gong after ppl such as wlad and joe and whyte but lol we can do that wth stverne too. dude got stopped by a losing record journyeman and drew vs another journeyman. and was down on all 3 cards vs 40 year old ray austn. yet that stll was easly one of bermanes best wns. and hes prob #2 on deontays resume. artur was 2x lfe and death vs mollo. washgnton couldnt beat mansour and got battered by baby. etc. scott had already been run over and stopped by gatekeeper chsora . etc

we can do this wth so many fghters on each record. comparing the resumes is more then that. overall cant see how aj hasnt fought better opponents. 'omg its all subjectve' isnt really a good argument

they for me have the 2 best records at hw over the past few years. aj 1 and wlder 2. seems to be the case for most lists based on record including every record based computer rateing ive seen. records dont win fghts though and obvously if they meet it comes down to more then that.

hopefully we get it. a fght means so much more then any of this.

Asking those questions isn't going after them. It's pointing out the obvious. Laugh all you want. Wlad was done and Parker along with Whyte is overrated. Everyone Joshua struggles with isn't great.

[MrGuy]

Klitscho is an all time legend, Parker has never been beaten by anyone, and neither have several of Parker his opponents, including opponents Wilder ran away scared for.
Whyte is undefeated as well, both before, as well as after the AJ fight. And Whyte also fought several undefeated guys, one of them quite recently actually. Wilder should proof himself against Whyte, who's better then Breazeale, meanwhile Ortiz should proof himself against Browne for example.

Doesn't change the fact he had seen better days. Parker wasn't beaten by anyone outside of Joshua. But who did he beat that makes you say he's overly good? Or Whyte? Records get padded.

Well, I'm quite confident Hughie, Takam and Andy Ruiz Jr would beat anyone Wilder ever fought. That's also why Parker deserves much more money then Wilder deserves if he fights AJ.

That would male sense if those guys were any good. The difference between Wilder and Fury is simple. Nobody wants to see Parker fight. So Wilder gets far more.

[candyslim]

...is that wrong...?

If it's me then yes very wrong.

You know I never heard the phrase "Cliff notes" until today when I read your post, then this evening I'm watching "The Looming Tower" and I hear/encounter it for the second time in my life, how weird is that ?

The lady who used it was Condoleeza Rice. Unrelated to that, the programme makers have either done her a massive injustice or for someone of high intelligence she really was/is one arrogant and stupid a-hole.

If on a jury, I would've read the whole thing (listened to every witness, etc.). But on here? I opt out of diatribes as much as is possible. Gotta pick yer spots with everything. Regarding Rice, I'd bet she was done a massive injustice. She is anything but arrogant and an a-hole. Funny coinkydink.

That was meant tongue-in-cheek (about finding a bar hence the 'grin emoji')

I'm sure you know far more about Rice than I do. My comments were based on the portrayal of her having no time or respect for Dick Cheney and his attempts to brief her thoroughly on the Al Qaida threat. I found myself thinking "FFS woman will you just listen to what he's trying to tell you". I've no idea whether that was how it went down or not.

[Like a Boss]

Joshua claims : “I ain’t got nothing to lose and I’m going to rain down hell on Wilder – I’m going to f*** him up bad".

Can hardly rate that as a well thought out statement.

[jamamb]

ya maybe he should take a page from wilders book and say he wants to literally kill his opponent in the ring

[Like a Boss]

When you hold 4 titles and you are fighting a guy with a very effective sleeping tablet in his right glove you do not have nothing to lose.

[jamamb]

oh, okay then

omg what a shocking statement from aj , not like its just some run of the mill hype talk

[Ruthless-RKO]

Joshua claims : “I ain’t got nothing to lose and I’m going to rain down hell on Wilder – I’m going to f*** him up bad".

Can hardly rate that as a well thought out statement.

https://www.BS.com/joshua-ill- ... ad--128368

[dickbelden]

sounds like AJ is refusing to fight outside of UK---hope he changes his mind ! https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/a ... rica/95099