GREATEST FIGHTERS OF THE ERA

Migz · Post by **Migz** » 22 Apr 2006, 07:39

This topic has probably been done befor but i havent been around this forum long enough to of seen it!

Who are the top ten fighters of the era meaning 1990-PRESENT?

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 22 Apr 2006, 08:27

1- Roy Jones Jr
2- Lennox Lewis
3- James Toney
4- Ricardo Lopez
5- Evander Holyfield
6- Bernard Hopkins
7- Felix Trinidad
8- Oscar De La Hoya
9- Joe Calzaghe
10- Shane Mosley

I'll probably change my mind tomorrow!!!!

Borinken25 · Post by **Borinken25** » 24 Apr 2006, 22:00

1- "Sweet pea" Witaker
2- Jones Jr.
3- JC Chavez
4- Hopkins
5- Trinidad
6- DLH
7- Lewis
8- Lopez

daddy-o · Post by **daddy-o** » 25 Apr 2006, 09:55

At their ideal weights, eg De LaHoya at superfeather, my list would be something like this-

1. Roy Jones Jr
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Oscar De LaHoya
5. Kostya Tszyu
6. James Toney
7. Julio Cesar Chavez
8. Lennox Lewis
9. Ronald Winky Wright
10. Felix Trinidad

There are a whole host of other fighters that one could choose to admit into the top ten of the past 16 years including Barrera, Morales, Whittaker, Holyfield, Jackson, Bowe, Eubank to name but a a few

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 25 Apr 2006, 11:27

1. Roy Jones Jr.
2. Pernell Witikar
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Lenox Lewis
5. James Toney
6. Oscar De La Hoya
7. Evander Holyfield
8. Julio Cesar Chavez
9. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
10. Marco Antonio Barrera

this is pretty tough actually, lot of ommisions...

jimmy the gent · Post by **jimmy the gent** » 25 Apr 2006, 11:31

p.4.p it's impossible to come up with an accurate list,but here goes my 10 anyway:
1.JONES JR(greatest talent of all time,shame it ended how it did.shit happens)
2.mayweather
-de la hoya
3.whitaker
4.barrera
-.chavez
5.trinidad(welter)
6.hopkins
7.morales
8.toney
9.lewis
10.wright(would be a few places above 10 if he got the break earlier in his career.a great boxer.)

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 25 Apr 2006, 11:32

Syntax Error wrote:1- Roy Jones Jr
2- Lennox Lewis
3- James Toney
4- Ricardo Lopez
5- Evander Holyfield
6- Bernard Hopkins
7- Felix Trinidad
8- Oscar De La Hoya
9- Joe Calzaghe
10- Shane Mosley

I'll probably change my mind tomorrow!!!!

Seeing Calzaghe on this list right after DLH makes my stomach cramp - what on earth has he done to deserve that ranking? Many fighters belong above him, he's probably barely top 30. If you're after a 168/175 fighter, Dariusz Michalczevski for example has a 10 times better claim.

Lennox is too high but he's earned his spot on the list. I feel pretty Boy should be there, as should JCC.

daddy-o · Post by **daddy-o** » 25 Apr 2006, 11:55

I'd have to agree with pundit with regards to Calzaghe being in the top ten. It was an inspiring performance against Lacy, but that added to his other victories against sometimes questionable opposition is not enough to include him in anyone's top ten.

generic screen name · Post by **generic screen name** » 27 Apr 2006, 00:24

1. Pernell Whitaker
2. Roy Jones Jr.
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Evander Holyfield
5. Julio Cesar Chavez
6. Marco Antonio Barrera
7. Kostya Tszyu
8. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
9. Lennox Lewis
10. Ricardo Lopez

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 27 Apr 2006, 01:45

pundit wrote:
Syntax Error wrote:1- Roy Jones Jr
2- Lennox Lewis
3- James Toney
4- Ricardo Lopez
5- Evander Holyfield
6- Bernard Hopkins
7- Felix Trinidad
8- Oscar De La Hoya
9- Joe Calzaghe
10- Shane Mosley

I'll probably change my mind tomorrow!!!!
Seeing Calzaghe on this list right after DLH makes my stomach cramp - what on earth has he done to deserve that ranking? Many fighters belong above him, he's probably barely top 30. If you're after a 168/175 fighter, Dariusz Michalczevski for example has a 10 times better claim.

Lennox is too high but he's earned his spot on the list. I feel pretty Boy should be there, as should JCC.

That's just your opinion, just like my list is MY opinion.

If we all agreed with you, this forum would not exist.

generic screen name · Post by **generic screen name** » 27 Apr 2006, 01:48

How is Pernell not even in your top ten?

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 27 Apr 2006, 01:52

generic screen name wrote:How is Pernell not even in your top ten?

Simple; Pernell first won his title in the 80's & was finished by the mid 90's.

I tried to choose people that first won titles in the 90's & were significant players throughout the decade.

generic screen name · Post by **generic screen name** » 27 Apr 2006, 01:57

Pernell had the WBC welterweight belt from '93-'97 and was in the pound for pound rankings till the later '90s. Plus he had a draw against Julio Cesar Chavez, which he clearly won. Give him atleast some love!!!!

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 27 Apr 2006, 02:28

generic screen name wrote:Pernell had the WBC welterweight belt from '93-'97 and was in the pound for pound rankings till the later '90s. Plus he had a draw against Julio Cesar Chavez, which he clearly won. Give him atleast some love!!!!

You're right.

I do actually rate him highly.

There was a thread about the best fighters since 1980 recently & I had him at number 1.

That's the thing about these lists, if I did one today, it would differ from my first.

generic screen name · Post by **generic screen name** » 27 Apr 2006, 02:35

Yet all of his big wins are in the early 90s. I just don't get how he's not even in your top ten, when you have Calzaghe who beaten an old Eubank and Lacy(the jury's still out on Lacy).

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 27 Apr 2006, 03:37

generic screen name wrote:Yet all of his big wins are in the early 90s. I just don't get how he's not even in your top ten, when you have Calzaghe who beaten an old Eubank and Lacy(the jury's still out on Lacy).

Calzaghe is a better fighter than most people know.

Migz · Post by **Migz** » 27 Apr 2006, 03:38

but if calzaghe is listed im sure Whitaker should be

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 27 Apr 2006, 04:19

1. Pernell Whittaker
2. Roy Jones
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Floyd Mayweather
5. Lennox Lewis
6. Ricardo Lopez
7. Julio Cesar Chavez
8. Marco Antonio Barrera
9. Oscar De La Hoya
10. Felix Trinidad

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 27 Apr 2006, 05:52

Migz wrote:but if calzaghe is listed im sure Whitaker should be

Let me reiterate; when you said best fighters 'since' 1990, I took that to mean, fighters who won their first titles since 1990.

If you look at my list, there is one common theme, they all acquired their first world titles after Jan 1st 1990 & were major players for long periods after that.

Yes, Pernell Whitaker is great & I have said already that in a previous thread about top 5 fighters since 1980, I rated PW at number 1, but I never ranked him in the best since 1990 because he was already a dominant champ before 1990.

adspath · Post by **adspath** » 27 Apr 2006, 20:21

1 - Pernell Whitaker
2 - Roy Jones (the way his career has ended he shouldnt be number 1)
3 - Oscar De La Hoya
4 - Julio Cesar Chavez
5 - Kostya Tszyu
6 - Bernard Hopkins
7 - Winky Wright
8 - Barrera
9 - Shane Mosley
10 - Erik Morales

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 28 Apr 2006, 01:49

Decagon wrote:
Syntax Error wrote:
Migz wrote:but if calzaghe is listed im sure Whitaker should be
Let me reiterate; when you said best fighters 'since' 1990, I took that to mean, fighters who won their first titles since 1990.

If you look at my list, there is one common theme, they all acquired their first world titles after Jan 1st 1990 & were major players for long periods after that.

Yes, Pernell Whitaker is great & I have said already that in a previous thread about top 5 fighters since 1980, I rated PW at number 1, but I never ranked him in the best since 1990 because he was already a dominant champ before 1990.
Not to be a pest, but you did list Evander Holyfield, and he won his first title in 1986.

I know, but the cruiserweight division is a lame duck division that was in it's infancy back in 1986.

It was considered a joke then & some esteemed boxing mags refused to recognise it all.

One of those mags even made Holyfield it's fighter of the year in 1987 & always ranked him in it's heavyweight rankings.

In my eyes, Evander was a heavyweight contender going into the 1990's & won his first title in 1990.

generic screen name · Post by **generic screen name** » 28 Apr 2006, 05:29

Syntax Error wrote:
Decagon wrote:
Syntax Error wrote: Let me reiterate; when you said best fighters 'since' 1990, I took that to mean, fighters who won their first titles since 1990.

If you look at my list, there is one common theme, they all acquired their first world titles after Jan 1st 1990 & were major players for long periods after that.

Yes, Pernell Whitaker is great & I have said already that in a previous thread about top 5 fighters since 1980, I rated PW at number 1, but I never ranked him in the best since 1990 because he was already a dominant champ before 1990.
Not to be a pest, but you did list Evander Holyfield, and he won his first title in 1986.

I know, but the cruiserweight division is a lame duck division that was in it's infancy back in 1986.

It was considered a joke then & some esteemed boxing mags refused to recognise it all.

One of those mags even made Holyfield it's fighter of the year in 1987 & always ranked him in it's heavyweight rankings.

In my eyes, Evander was a heavyweight contender going into the 1990's & won his first title in 1990.

Ummmm, in the 80s there was a fight considered the best cruiserweight fight of all time between him and Dwight Muhammad Qawi, so your saying Qawi was a joke??? Some people consider Evander's cruiserweight reign as his prime. And the cruiserweight division started in the earlier 80's not 1986. It just makes no sense to say, or even consider, Evander's first title was in the 90s when it really was not.

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 28 Apr 2006, 06:12

generic screen name wrote:
Syntax Error wrote:
Decagon wrote:Not to be a pest, but you did list Evander Holyfield, and he won his first title in 1986.

I know, but the cruiserweight division is a lame duck division that was in it's infancy back in 1986.

It was considered a joke then & some esteemed boxing mags refused to recognise it all.

One of those mags even made Holyfield it's fighter of the year in 1987 & always ranked him in it's heavyweight rankings.

In my eyes, Evander was a heavyweight contender going into the 1990's & won his first title in 1990.
Ummmm, in the 80s there was a fight considered the best cruiserweight fight of all time between him and Dwight Muhammad Qawi, so your saying Qawi was a joke??? Some people consider Evander's cruiserweight reign as his prime. And the cruiserweight division started in the earlier 80's not 1986. It just makes no sense to say, or even consider, Evander's first title was in the 90s when it really was not.

I never said Qawi was a joke, just the division & I know when the division started & yes it was in it's infancy in 1986.

The Qawi-Holyfield 1 (& fight 2 for that matter) fight was excellent, but like I said about Holyfield being fighter of the year in 1987, they did not acknowledge the division, just the fighter & the actual fight.

Look back & you will see that the division was not even recognised by some boxing mags & frowned upon by many.

Even now, the division gets little coverage & the best of the division are always looking to move up.

Bear in mind that I'm just trying to dig myself out of a hole that I've made for myself.

:P

generic screen name · Post by **generic screen name** » 28 Apr 2006, 14:05

Just back up your facts, thats all I'm saying.... and yes the cruiserweight division was created before 1986 just ask Carlos De Leon, and Qawi who fought for cruiserweight titles in 1980 and 1985 respectively.

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 30 Apr 2006, 06:34

generic screen name wrote:Just back up your facts, thats all I'm saying.... and yes the cruiserweight division was created before 1986 just ask Carlos De Leon, and Qawi who fought for cruiserweight titles in 1980 and 1985 respectively.

I know it was created before 1986; when did I say otherwise?

It WAS still in it's infancy in 1986; how many times do I have to say the same thing?

Yes, my facts are correct.

This is BOXREC & I don't need to be told things. If I am not sure about something, I can look it up on the BOXREC homepage.