IBF Heavyweight - What next if Whyte refuses?

[joshj909]

I have no idea what happened to the purse bids between Whyte and Pulev which was supposed to happen about a week ago (i believe?). I know Hearn appealed the splits which were 75/25 in favour of Pulev because of ranking so i'm guessing there is a temporary extension.

But, what happens if Whyte decides to turn it down as he would earn a lot more against Ortiz? It is likely that the IBF and WBC champions will be the same person by the time the mandatory is called later this year or early next year (if it is put to the side for unification).

As i see it the rankings make for a dodgy matchup if this does happen. The rankings are:

1 NOT RATED
2 Kubrat Pulev - Eliminator
3 Jarrell Miller - Apparantly has a mandatory shot for WBA regular and looks like he turned IBF down otherwise Whyte wouldn't be in this position?
4 Dillian Whyte - IBF/WBC decision
5 Alexander Povetkin - WBA mandatory, looks like it's happening this summer
6 Carlos Takam - Lost the last IBF mandatory, no fights since
7 Joseph Parker - Lost the WBO belt to the current IBF title-holder earlier this year and no wins since, would be a very odd mandatory would it not?
8 Alexander Dimitrenko - Last i heard he was mandatory for Kabayel's EBU strap but not heard anything since. Pulev has already beat him and would likely beat him again, uneventfully.
9 Charles Martin - Would've thought that the IBF would want him forgotten about. Also hasn't been very active since losing the title.
10 Agit Kabayel - Would he take it? he's managing his career well, step by step without any huge jump ups in competition. With steady growth he would be a real contender but to fight Pulev for the chance to face Joshua at the end of the year might be too much of a step up too soon. Also might fight Dimitrenko for EBU defense.
11 Dominic Breazeale - Looks like he is fighting for the WBC belt this summer but also turned down the fight already.
12 Christian Hammer - Coming off a loss to Povetkin, i think he would definitely take the fight though.
13 Otto Wallin - Very green in comparison to most of the guys on this list when you look at his competition he has faced. Don't know enough about his career to know if he would take it but it would be a huge upset if he beat Pulev, i would expect a non-competitive eliminator.
14 Tom Schwarz - He's 23 and his best win is 121 on Boxrec...
15 Adam Kownacki - Actually a more worthy challenger than some of the others but would it get this far down the list?

I think the Whyte situation will most likely be cleared up soon, and if Whyte thinks he can beat Pulev the fight vs Joshua will be worth much more than a risky fight against Ortiz, but does anyone else think that if he turns it down the IBF could have a pretty pointless eliminator and possibly pointless defense for Joshua?

[oogiebe]

That was a lot of work! Whyte, in order to get a shot at the title again will have to fight and beat one of the following:

1 - Ortiz
2 - Miller
3 - Povetkin
4 - Parker (maybe)

Those are the guys in line right now for a legitimate title shot who are/may be ahead of Whyte. (maybe less so for Ortiz). The thing is I don't see Whyte beating any of them.

[Mexi-Box]

That was a lot of work! Whyte, in order to get a shot at the title again will have to fight and beat one of the following:

1 - Ortiz
2 - Miller
3 - Povetkin
4 - Parker (maybe)

Those are the guys in line right now for a legitimate title shot who are/may be ahead of Whyte. (maybe less so for Ortiz). The thing is I don't see Whyte beating any of them.

He KO's Ortiz. Loses to Parker and Povetkin. UD's Miller, though.

I never thought he'd take Pulev's offer. Pulev is poison. He loses and looks horrific. Not a good fight for him. He should fight Ortiz instead. Easier opponent.

[oogiebe]

That was a lot of work! Whyte, in order to get a shot at the title again will have to fight and beat one of the following:

1 - Ortiz
2 - Miller
3 - Povetkin
4 - Parker (maybe)

Those are the guys in line right now for a legitimate title shot who are/may be ahead of Whyte. (maybe less so for Ortiz). The thing is I don't see Whyte beating any of them.

He KO's Ortiz. Loses to Parker and Povetkin. UD's Miller, though.

I never thought he'd take Pulev's offer. Pulev is poison. He loses and looks horrific. Not a good fight for him. He should fight Ortiz instead. Easier opponent.

I agree he should fight Ortiz, but I also believe Ortiz would steamroll him. Wish we could bet...!

[Mexi-Box]

That was a lot of work! Whyte, in order to get a shot at the title again will have to fight and beat one of the following:

1 - Ortiz
2 - Miller
3 - Povetkin
4 - Parker (maybe)

Those are the guys in line right now for a legitimate title shot who are/may be ahead of Whyte. (maybe less so for Ortiz). The thing is I don't see Whyte beating any of them.

He KO's Ortiz. Loses to Parker and Povetkin. UD's Miller, though.

I never thought he'd take Pulev's offer. Pulev is poison. He loses and looks horrific. Not a good fight for him. He should fight Ortiz instead. Easier opponent.

I agree he should fight Ortiz, but I also believe Ortiz would steamroll him. Wish we could bet...!

Too bad there is no avatar, but I could do a month ban-bet if you want.

[oogiebe]

He KO's Ortiz. Loses to Parker and Povetkin. UD's Miller, though.

I never thought he'd take Pulev's offer. Pulev is poison. He loses and looks horrific. Not a good fight for him. He should fight Ortiz instead. Easier opponent.

I agree he should fight Ortiz, but I also believe Ortiz would steamroll him. Wish we could bet...!

Too bad there is no avatar, but I could do a month ban-bet if you want.

OUch! Stakes too high, but great out of the box thinking! LMAO!!! You got me running! Loser has to make a huge public display of inferiority! How's that??

[gilgamesh]

Whyte vs Miller or Povetkin would be interesting.

[Mexi-Box]

I agree he should fight Ortiz, but I also believe Ortiz would steamroll him. Wish we could bet...!

Too bad there is no avatar, but I could do a month ban-bet if you want.

OUch! Stakes too high, but great out of the box thinking! LMAO!!! You got me running! Loser has to make a huge public display of inferiority! How's that??

Ban-bets are pretty normal on other forums. I guess they don't do those here. I'm down for that; although, I think ban bets are better.

[joshj909]

That was a lot of work! Whyte, in order to get a shot at the title again will have to fight and beat one of the following:

1 - Ortiz
2 - Miller
3 - Povetkin
4 - Parker (maybe)

Those are the guys in line right now for a legitimate title shot who are/may be ahead of Whyte. (maybe less so for Ortiz). The thing is I don't see Whyte beating any of them.

He KO's Ortiz. Loses to Parker and Povetkin. UD's Miller, though.

I never thought he'd take Pulev's offer. Pulev is poison. He loses and looks horrific. Not a good fight for him. He should fight Ortiz instead. Easier opponent.

I think now is his best chance against either of them. If the Wilder KO or a sudden quick ageing on Ortiz, or Pulev's inactivity have done enough then Whyte could be the fitter man by the later rounds and could land on an unfit/ageing jaw.

Personally i think he should go for Ortiz because it looks better on his record and gives him some bragging rights over Wilder if all goes well. Which is why i realised the shit-storm that the IBF mandatory situation would be in. If Miller, Breazeale and Whyte all turn it down then what the hell can they reasonably do?

[joshj909]

The purse bid has spun it all around. A 1.5 bid from a random US firm won. I believe that would mean Whyte gets about 350k before paying his team. Don't see it happening, unless the firm fail to come up with the money and it all goes back to the beginning. Poor Whyte lol

[Serragon]

The purse bid has spun it all around. A 1.5 bid from a random US firm won. I believe that would mean Whyte gets about 350k before paying his team. Don't see it happening, unless the firm fail to come up with the money and it all goes back to the beginning. Poor Whyte lol

Whyte should be happy. His purse is going to be double what it would have been with either of the other bids.

[joshj909]

The purse bid has spun it all around. A 1.5 bid from a random US firm won. I believe that would mean Whyte gets about 350k before paying his team. Don't see it happening, unless the firm fail to come up with the money and it all goes back to the beginning. Poor Whyte lol

Whyte should be happy. His purse is going to be double what it would have been with either of the other bids.

True. I have a feeling they're not taking it seriously. Might end up stalling it until they can find something else. Apparently the bidder is Bulgarian and Pulev is claiming it as their team has won the bid so who knows. Maybe in Chicago?

[KiwiRider]

The purse bid has spun it all around. A 1.5 bid from a random US firm won. I believe that would mean Whyte gets about 350k before paying his team. Don't see it happening, unless the firm fail to come up with the money and it all goes back to the beginning. Poor Whyte lol

Nice work on your original post Josh

[candyslim]

I agree he should fight Ortiz, but I also believe Ortiz would steamroll him. Wish we could bet...!

Too bad there is no avatar, but I could do a month ban-bet if you want.

OUch! Stakes too high, but great out of the box thinking! LMAO!!! You got me running! Loser has to make a huge public display of inferiority! How's that??

I don't think dick pics are allowed on the forum Oogie

Just kidding of course. There's little point Whyte fighting Pulev because Joshua v Whyte II happens anyway at some point, in fact the reason it hasn't happened already is because Whyte wanted his Joshua re-match to be a unification, Maybe it might suit Joshua if the fight were to be his IBF mandatory rather than a voluntary though.

Whyte has cleared all the hurdles set up by the WBC. Now they've got him playing whack-a-mole and there's no guarantee Ortiz is even the last mole. If Whyte were to beat him and be granted the next mandatory shot it's unlikely that Haymon will call Wilder's next mandatory before the end of 2019 anyway - sorry I meant Sulaiman won't call didn't I (or did I ?)

Whyte has been very active and consistently takes on what appear to be tough challenges. It's hardly his fault if they turn out to be much poorer than expected. I struggle to think of any heavyweight currently active who has been treated so shabbily and all because (it appears to me) to be because Haymon doesn't trust Wilder to beat him.

I know he isn't the first fighter this has happened to nor will he be the last but it's pretty shameful all the same.

[dickbelden]

The purse bid has spun it all around. A 1.5 bid from a random US firm won. I believe that would mean Whyte gets about 350k before paying his team. Don't see it happening, unless the firm fail to come up with the money and it all goes back to the beginning. Poor Whyte lol

Whyte should be happy. His purse is going to be double what it would have been with either of the other bids.

True. I have a feeling they're not taking it seriously. Might end up stalling it until they can find something else. Apparently the bidder is Bulgarian and Pulev is claiming it as their team has won the bid so who knows. Maybe in Chicago?

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[joshj909]

Whyte should be happy. His purse is going to be double what it would have been with either of the other bids.

True. I have a feeling they're not taking it seriously. Might end up stalling it until they can find something else. Apparently the bidder is Bulgarian and Pulev is claiming it as their team has won the bid so who knows. Maybe in Chicago?

EPIC SPORTS & ENTERTAINMENT IS AMERICAN---headquartered in nyc.

Apparantly the man behind Epic sports entertainment is Ivaylo Gotzev, who is Bulgarian. I think it would probably be hosted in Chicago over Bulgaria though.

[dickbelden]

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[joshj909]

EPIC SPORTS & ENTERTAINMENT https://www.epicsportsentgroup.com/

Yeah i get your point, but i was more on about this connection, Might have been a bit vague before. I believe this guy is behind the bid, rather than the whole company.
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[joshj909]

Leaving 2 options, take the fight and cancel his July O2 plans, or drop it and take Ortiz on at the O2 in July.

[African Monkey]

Well Whyte says he'll fight anyone and I do believe him so hopefully he goes and takes this fight.

[candyslim]

The problem is whichever route he takes he has to burn one of his bridges, at least for the forseeable. He's invested a lot of time, energy, and money in pursuing Wilder, and it looks like Haymon's lackey, Sulaiman is determined that fight isn't going to happen no matter how many hoops Whyte succeeds in jumping through.

MS is a disease and I'm not talking about Multiple-Sclerosis.

[joshj909]

The problem is whichever route he takes he has to burn one of his bridges, at least for the forseeable. He's invested a lot of time, energy, and money in pursuing Wilder, and it looks like Haymon's lackey, Sulaiman is determined that fight isn't going to happen no matter how many hoops Whyte succeeds in jumping through.

MS is a disease and I'm not talking about Multiple-Sclerosis.

I would love for Whyte to beat Pulev then arrange a fight with Ortiz with or without the WBC's blessing

[candyslim]

Isn't that a bit like paying for your meal and sneaking out the restaurant without eating it?

[joshj909]

Isn't that a bit like paying for your meal and sneaking out the restaurant without eating it?

At the least it would piss Haymon, Sulaiman and Wilder off. At the most he could be double mandatory whilst not officially being WBC mandatory because i don't think that's possible. It would only pay off if he wins the fights but if he just messed with the orgs that have messed with him then it would atleast look like a bit of revenge.

Plus, if he can offer Ortiz more money than he'd make vs anyone else then Ortiz might take it because i think he's looking for big retirement money at the moment. That would completely delegitimatise the WBC mandatory position and therefore delegitimatise their champion a bit more.

[candyslim]

Frankly I think the WBC look like a bunch of cnuts anyway over their handling of this, but Sulaiman doesn't give a flying one, if he's even aware of how his shitty organisation is perceived. It's water off a duck's back, you might just as well try to make your dog feel embarrassed about humping your leg.

The thing is if Whyte elects to fight Pulev (always assuming Pulev is still up for fighting an eliminator against a top 6 ranked opponent for the dubious privilege of again earning a beating from Anthony Joshua and I'm not convinced about that even though the bid has been won for Sofia) then the WBC are no longer in the dock for failing to reward their number one contender with a title shot instead of yet another queue jump for the purpose of keeping Al Haymon happy, grateful. and cooperative and Deontay Wilder out of harm's way until he can make some real money.

Ortiz is a really tough fight for Whyte. Whyte earned his mandatory against Wilder but he was happy to jump a final hoop if that final hoop was Breazeale, and that the winner was Wilder's next mandatory after having despatched Stiverne. Hell he'd fight Ortiz for the same prize if he has to, but the idea that this is in order to become Wilder's next mandatory after Breazeale is a ferkin outrage.Wilder might not even be champion by the time the mandatory after Breazeale comes due.

If Whyte fights Ortiz anyway having given up his status as the WBC's badly wronged number one contender, Sulaiman won't care, it's just another fight between a former WBC title challenger and the IBF number one and / or mandatory (and that's assuming he beats Pulev) nothing whatever to do with Wilder's next mandatory after Breazeale who can be whoever Haymon wants it to be as usual.

And if Wilder has lost his title to Joshua in the meantime, then Sulaiman will be very happy to nominate Whyte as WBC mandatory for Joshua's undisputed crown, and he can pleasure himself dreaming of all those luvverly sanctioning fees.