ODLH : "Golovkin, good luck with Sergiy Derevyanchenko, who’s 11-0 and your IBF mandatory". Negotiations falling apart ?

[apollo creed]

“It’s clear to us that Golovkin doesn’t want to fight Canelo,” De La Hoya said to The Ring.
“It’s clear to us that after all the demands that they made, after Canelo having to do the hair follicle test, having to enroll in VADA, having to be tested by the Nevada State Athletic Commission randomly even before he was enrolled in VADA, it’s clear that GGG is afraid.
“So we’re going to move on and I’m going to start making phone calls to (Daniel Jacobs’) people, to (Billy Joe) Saunders’ people, start making calls to (Jermall) Charlo and (Spike) O’Sullivan. (Golovkin's promoter Tom Loeffler told me GGG) doesn’t want to fight. That’s all Tom said. They’re not going have a better deal than what they have now.”
On Friday, De La Hoya took to social media to continue baiting Golovkin.
"Golovkin, good luck with Sergiy Derevyanchenko, who’s 11-0 and your IBF mandatory. The train has moved on and [we're] going after Danny Jacobs, [Billy Joe] Saunders, Spike O'Sullivan," De La Hoya stated.

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I mean this sux but I ain't gonna be mad if GGG is gonna fight all his mandatories because they are top fighters although he may lose for far less money.




At 2:30 Oscar tells SRL the fight it's gonna happen in September.

[Nightmare Roy]

Can't blame him for not wanting to fight a proven drug cheat and getting stiffed by corrupt cards again.

[jamamb]

maybe, but this type of stuff seems par for the course before big fights get signed

[Enlightened-One]

Team GGG must surely realise that they're the proverbial "B-side" to Canelo and that asking for more money than their commercial worth results in delays that only benefit the Mexican.

Gennady needs to take the fight now, whilst he still possesses enough physicality to win.

GGG is already past-his-prime and he may suddenly become very beatable by the time he arrives at his 37th birthday.

[apollo creed]

Can't blame him for not wanting to fight a proven drug cheat and getting stiffed by corrupt cards again.

Yes but he'd make more money from this fight than vs Jacobs, BJS, Derev, Jermall and Murata -all combined fights. 20-30 M's. Also GGG may lose for less money against one of his mandatories. He's 36 y/o.

[keithmoonhangover]

Can't blame him for not wanting to fight a proven drug cheat and getting stiffed by corrupt cards again.

This.

[apollo creed]

maybe, but this type of stuff seems par for the course before big fights get signed

Probably to add more drama and hype.

[jamamb]

its far more the exception then the norm for big fights to get signed w/o any 'oh things are looking shaky'/'oh so and so is starting to look into other options' etc

id bet it still happens next. although maybe team ggg are even bigger clowns then we thought

[apollo creed]

Team GGG must surely realise that they're the proverbial "B-side" to Canelo and that asking for more money than their commercial worth results in delays that only benefit the Mexican.

Gennady needs to take the fight now, whilst he still possesses enough physicality to win.

GGG is already past-his-prime and he may suddenly become very beatable by the time he arrives at his 37th birthday.

Yup. This are life changing money and if he'll fight one of those young lions out there and get beaten for far less money what he'll prove ? I think GGG is gonna take this fight.

[apollo creed]

its far more the exception then the norm for big fights to get signed w/o any 'oh things are looking shaky'/'oh so and so is starting to look into other options' etc

id bet it still happens next. although maybe team ggg are even bigger clowns then we thought

Maybe they are trying to push for more money due of Canelo's bad situation but still they would be more than happy with the initial offer of GBP.

[greg]

..whether GGG is beatable or/and past his prime still remains to be seen..what is a known fact though is that he has to fight the drug cheat who, in a perverse world of boxing, is the proverbial side A...

[Enlightened-One]

Loeffler has confirmed GGG's insistence for a 50-50 purse split in order to face Canelo.

Golovkin's commercial worth doesn't justify such demands and he is giving the Mexican a legitimate excuse to face other guys.

GGG is going to miss out on a huge payday and will eventually lose to someone else for peanuts.

He is shooting himself in the foot.

[apollo creed]

..whether GGG is beatable or/and past his prime still remains to be seen..what is a known fact though is that he has to fight the drug cheat who, in a perverse world of boxing, is the proverbial side A...

Golovkin is in a win-win situation in this fight.

[Thomastearns]

Canelo's 'A side' status is no longer what it was. The 'Golden Boy' has been tainted and has a shadow over him that only a rematch with GGG can banish.

The Canelo camp can squirm all they want but they're being cornered slowly. If they're lucky they might get 60/40 - which they will take.

50/50 seems fairer after all the crap GGG has gone through. Things have changed.

[SenorPipino]

Somebody here the other day insisted to me that with Golovkin "it's not all about money."

I couldn't get it through my head that honor, nobility and virtue are supposed to be his priorities.

[caldo2025]

I've changed my mind about this and now i'd like to see the rematch happen in September. With the focus on making sure that we have a clean Canelo in the ring for the first time in an while, I'd like to see how he'd do against GGG in a legit fight. Canelo looks so scrawny right now that maybe he'll really be clean.

Personally, i don't think that we've seen Canelo fight clean since his fight with Lara

[greg]

..not fighting Canelo, GGG misses out on a payday which the Kazakh will certainly survive..lame duck Canelo, on the other hand, refusing to concede financially is in danger of not being able to restore his tarnished reputation and recover legacy-wise something he might regret one day..

[ewenhay]

Team GGG must surely realise that they're the proverbial "B-side" to Canelo and that asking for more money than their commercial worth results in delays that only benefit the Mexican.

Gennady needs to take the fight now, whilst he still possesses enough physicality to win.

GGG is already past-his-prime and he may suddenly become very beatable by the time he arrives at his 37th birthday.

As someone who spends a lot of time talking about a sides and b sides and who should earn what can you advise us on what the split should be for this fight, bearing I'm mind :

1. They agreed a deal for the May fight
2. Alvarez failed a drug test and was suspended, subsequently tarnishing his reputation somewhat
3. Golovkin was inconvenienced by the above due to no fault of his own
4. Alvarez wants to fight Golovkin in September
5. Golovkin wants to fight Alvarez now he has signed up, eventually, to testing
6. Like it or not neither fighter makes as much money against anyone else
7. Whilst financially Alvarez is indeed the "a side" there is a big argument to suggest that from a reputation perspective Golovkin is the "a side"
8. This fight is important to both fighters' legacies

Thanks

[Shirow]

GGG won't be hurting for money either way. The first fight was a very big payday which resulted in being ripped off by the judges, inactivity, rematch scuppered due to Canelo consuming PEDs and wasting more time and a training camp.

I wouldn't blame GGG giving Goldenboy the ultimatum of paying up compensation for all this or go back to fighting on his own 3 fight a year schedule and taking on his mandatories. Derev in NY, Saunders in Wembley and Charlo in Vegas in the nex 12 months would probably suit him fine and suit me fine too.

Is Oscar going to provide Canelo the same payday that he would have got for this rematch when he takes on Spike O'Sullivan?

[apollo creed]

GGG won't be hurting for money either way. The first fight was a very big payday which resulted in being ripped off by the judges, inactivity, rematch scuppered due to Canelo consuming PEDs and wasting more time and a training camp.

I wouldn't blame GGG giving Goldenboy the ultimatum of paying up compensation for all this or go back to fighting on his own 3 fight a year schedule and taking on his mandatories. Derev in NY, Saunders in Wembley and Charlo in Vegas in the nex 12 months would probably suit him fine and suit me fine too.

Is Oscar going to provide Canelo the same payday that he would have got for this rematch when he takes on Spike O'Sullivan?

There is a big risk for GGG to lose against one of those mandatories/look poor (Jacobs, Charlo, Derev) due to his age and for far less money. Time is not on GGG's side.

[boxing_rocks]

Personally, i don't think that we've seen Canelo fight clean since his fight with Lara

More likely since his fight with Mayweather.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

..whether GGG is beatable or/and past his prime still remains to be seen..what is a known fact though is that he has to fight the drug cheat who, in a perverse world of boxing, is the proverbial side A...

- Gregsy, you and your fellow ninnygram IQ boxes of rockes in your perverse nanogram world of BALCO Vic drug cheats taking over boxing only serve to highlight your own gross deficiencies.

Your dirty, BALCO Vic drug cheating world has contaminated your own water and food supply, but like L'enfant terrible soiling his diapers, you're too immature to understand it.

I stopped eating fish decades ago because of the gross destruction of the oceanic environment by commercial trawlers and increasing pollution of the ocean leading to mercury contamination. I grew up eating the days catch on the Gulf Coast and it was beautiful then with smallish mom and pop fishing operations. No more, and now this outrage that happens daily around the world:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way ... ea-mussels



******Mussels being drug cheats scream your ninnygram headers******Suspend them for ninnygram years.

Face it, you didn't like Canelo before because he busted up your ninnygram stereotypes of what Mexicans are, and now you hold him responsible for his food supply common to all Mexicans, a cultural war you wage on Mexico that has enough problems already as do you BALCO Vic drug cheats, not the least of which is changing out the soiling of yourselves.

Boxers except for the TUE 50-0 operations have mostly proven to be some of the cleanest athletes in the world. Not so pro bike racing, track and field, NFL/NBA/MLB and your cartoon roided film heroes.

In short, a substantial selection of you are shams of the most shameless disorder...pppheeewww, is that really you?

[Deleted_Scenes]

Boxers except for the TUE 50-0 operations have mostly proven to be some of the cleanest athletes in the world. Not so pro bike racing, track and field, NFL/NBA/MLB and your cartoon roided film heroes.

What a load of bollocks this is... Boxing is in no way clean. The authorities either don't test enough, don't test at the right times, don't use the right type of testing, sweep adverse findings under the carpet, or just aren't anywhere near as harsh with their sanctions as other sports.

Even those who scream out for 365 olympic style testing to be enforced in boxing, aren't in any way interested in olympic style punishments for offenders. They just want a narrative they can sell to the media. To appear to be clean. Nobody actually wants to tackle the problem.

Take the Olympics, for example. 2 year bans for first offenders, with 4 to life for repeats are commonplace. No excuses. If it's in your body, you're responsible.

Then people claim Canelo is innocent (might be, but he's still guilty of potentially putting an opponent at increased risk through negligence), or made a scapegoat. Any other sport, he'd be banned from competing til 2020.

Boxing is about as dirty as sport gets, unfortunately. It just hasn't been uncovered to the extent of cycling or athletics yet... Because the powers than be don't actually want that.

[Enlightened-One]

Team GGG must surely realise that they're the proverbial "B-side" to Canelo and that asking for more money than their commercial worth results in delays that only benefit the Mexican.

Gennady needs to take the fight now, whilst he still possesses enough physicality to win.

GGG is already past-his-prime and he may suddenly become very beatable by the time he arrives at his 37th birthday.

As someone who spends a lot of time talking about a sides and b sides and who should earn what can you advise us on what the split should be for this fight, bearing I'm mind :

1. They agreed a deal for the May fight
2. Alvarez failed a drug test and was suspended, subsequently tarnishing his reputation somewhat
3. Golovkin was inconvenienced by the above due to no fault of his own
4. Alvarez wants to fight Golovkin in September
5. Golovkin wants to fight Alvarez now he has signed up, eventually, to testing
6. Like it or not neither fighter makes as much money against anyone else
7. Whilst financially Alvarez is indeed the "a side" there is a big argument to suggest that from a reputation perspective Golovkin is the "a side"
8. This fight is important to both fighters' legacies

Thanks

You can't pay the bills with morality or status in the sport.

GGG deservres ti receive no more than 40% for the Canelo rematch.

Anyone that subsequently proposes a counter argument that contradicts this claim is a fûckîng môrôn!

[mexicool]

Can't blame him for not wanting to fight a proven drug cheat and getting stiffed by corrupt cards again.

Only trace amounts were found, consistent with meat contamination, he passed a hair follicle test, and is enrolled in @Vada_Testing. No excuses.