Canelo Álvarez - Gennady Golovkin II - Negotiations

[Thomastearns]

I know some of the comments regarding the rematch negotiations might seem a bit over the top but let's consider the facts of this saga so far

The protracted negotiations first time.
The huge concessions made by the champion.
The dramatic body transformation of Canelo.
The 2 failed 800pg clenbuterol drug tests.
The 'bizarre' judges scoring.
The unaccounted needle marks.
Having to be dragged into the compulsory WBC random testing system.
And now even more haggling over the terms as if nothing has changed!

To try blame Golovkin for the cancellation /postponement /loss of time and income and portray Canelo as the victim is highly disingenuous. It wasn't his decision to make. He is not responsible for the traces of clenbuterol found in Canelo. Canelo is.

Of course many of us here would happily climb into the ring even with cheating Canelo Alvarez for a lot less than $10 million+, a whole lot less. But we're talking about Gennady Golovkin who may well be the best middleweight we have seen this side of Marvelous Marvin Hagler.

Caneloand his team (yes, you Oscar) have done nothing but drag the game into disrepute. He now has an undeserved chance to win back some credit from the fans by signing for 60/40 in his favour although 50/50 might be a better way of apologising to all concerned.

Unless of course he too needs to put aside funds to settle any possible future blackmail attempts he may have opened himself up to.

[boxing_rocks]

Clenbnelo against BJS or O'Sullivan will likely do less PPVs than the Khan fight. Against Charlo or Jacobs, he will probably sell a little more than against Khan which means that PPV sales will be 35-45% of what he would sell if fighting GGG. Plus, his reputation will be at all time low, especially if he fights O'Sullivan which is almost a certainty, as the other 3 are much higher risk plus lower reward (as they will demand more money).

The cheater should give GGG 45%. If GGG fight generates $X net, then Canelo gets 0.55X. Compare it to an alternative fight which generates 40% of X. Even if Canelo's purse is 80%, he will still only get 0.32X, 1/3 less than against Golovkin.

Giving Golovkin 45%, Clenbnelo will still be an A side, plus he will have his pocket judges, stacked wraps and other advantages.

[boxing_rocks]

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Sulaiman is not in favor of Golovkin's stance. He wants his middleweight champion to accepts the terms and make the rematch happen.

Sulaiman is firmly riding Clenbnelo's dick. Does he even understand how ridiculous for a head of a sanctioning authority to push their champion to accept 35% against a challenger?

[Nightmare Roy]

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Sulaiman is not in favor of Golovkin's stance. He wants his middleweight champion to accepts the terms and make the rematch happen.

Sulaiman is firmly riding Clenbnelo's dick. Does he even understand how ridiculous for a head of a sanctioning authority to push their champion to accept 35% against a challenger?

He just wants his 3% GGG should tell him to stick his tin pot belt up his arse sideways

[Like a Boss]

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Sulaiman is not in favor of Golovkin's stance. He wants his middleweight champion to accepts the terms and make the rematch happen.

Sulaiman is firmly riding Clenbnelo's dick. Does he even understand how ridiculous for a head of a sanctioning authority to push their champion to accept 35% against a challenger?

Sulaiman has been sticking his beak where it shouldn't be since he started defending Canelo immediately after Canelo tested positive.

[Ruthless-RKO]

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Sulaiman is not in favor of Golovkin's stance. He wants his middleweight champion to accepts the terms and make the rematch happen.

Sulaiman is firmly riding Clenbnelo's dick. Does he even understand how ridiculous for a head of a sanctioning authority to push their champion to accept 35% against a challenger?

Sulaiman has been sticking his beak where it shouldn't be since he started defending Canelo immediately after Canelo tested positive.

He's been carrying Canelo's dick ever since Canelo fell out with WBC and said he wouldn't fight for theit belt.

[Ruthless-RKO]

WBC Prez: If No Canelo - Then Golovkin Has To Face Charlo

World Boxing Council President Mauricio Sulaiman has cautioned his middleweight champion, Gennady Golovkin (38-0-1, 34 KOs), that if he doesn't fight Canelo Alvarez in a rematch in September - then he will have to make mandatory defense against WBC interim-champion Jermall Charlo.

If the rematch doesn't happen, Golovkin - who holds the IBF, WBA, WBC, IBO world titles - will have to make a mandatory defense against Sergiy Derevyanechenko.

But the WBC believes Charlo is the mandatory fight that needs to happen. Charlo became the mandatory challenger in July 2017, when he won a final eliminator over Sebastian Heiland.

"Golovkin has all our support, but if the fight is not done, he will have to go with Charlo, because the entire history is clear as it is, so we are recommending to him to do what is best for him, because he wants to do the rematch [with Canelo], he wants to earn the money that he will generate there, and he wants that visibility that he has always wanted around the world," Sulaiman told ESPN Deportes.

"He has sacrificed so much for so many years to get to this point and now for something that is not so important [like the financial split] is putting him at risk. It would be strange to me if that fight [with Canelo] is not done."

Because of the financial issues, Canelo's handlers are already starting negotiations with other top middleweights, like WBO world champion Billy Joe Saunders of the UK.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Sulaiman's got it in for GGG now. He does have a mandatory challenger for all 3 belt.
Derev, Charlo and Jacobs. Canelo will negotiate with Jacobs/Charlo possibly. But I don't see it happening.

Technically, WBC haven't yet ordered the mando fight. IBF kind of have.

[Enlightened-One]

Golovkin's demand to receive a 50-50 purse split to face Canelo isn't going to be met.

GGG should not expect to receive more than 40%. In fact, the current offer of 35% is already greater than the 30% split Gennady previously agreed to.

Canelo is capable of earning massive sums elsewhere, whereas Golovkin isn't.

People can cite as many moral reasons as they can to justify their belief as to the reason why Golovkin deserves a 50% split, but they are irrelevant in the context of an economic argument.

If GGG refuses to a compromise on his demands for an equal share of the purse pot, then his very own fans should start accusing him of being a duck, because if they don't, then it's abundantly clear that they're guilty of applying double standards! Criticism should be applied consistently rather than selecticely!

More importantly, Golovkin will be forced to either defend his titles against the likes of: Jermall Charlo (WBC) and Sergiy Derevyanchenko (IBF), Ryota Murata or Daniel Jacobs (WBA), and I don’t expect an aging version of GGG's unbeaten record to remain intact if he faced all of those guys consecutively, because Gennady’s optimal performance levels will inevitably decline over time.

[caldo2025]

Golovkin's demand to receive a 50-50 purse split to face Canelo isn't going to be met.

GGG should not expect to receive more than 40%. In fact, the current offer of 35% is already greater than the 30% split Gennady previously agreed to.

Canelo is capable of earning massive sums elsewhere, whereas Golovkin isn't.

People can cite as many moral reasons as they can to justify their belief as to the reason why Golovkin deserves a 50% split, but they are irrelevant in the context of an economic argument.

If GGG refuses to a compromise on his demands for an equal share of the purse pot, then his very own fans should start accusing him of being a duck, because if they don't, then it's abundantly clear that they're guilty of applying double standards! Criticism should be applied consistently rather than selecticely!

More importantly, Golovkin will be forced to either defend his titles against the likes of: Jermall Charlo (WBC) and Sergiy Derevyanchenko (IBF), Ryota Murata or Daniel Jacobs (WBA), and I don’t expect an aging version of GGG's unbeaten record to remain intact if he faced all of those guys consecutively, because Gennady’s optimal performance levels will inevitably decline over time.

Canelo cost a lot of people a lot of money and I think that you over estimate the current state of affairs when it comes to Canelo and his popularity. Without GGG, Canelo is not making this kind of money for his next fight either. To think that GGG has no bargaining power in this ratio is ignorant. Both guys need each other to make the most coin possible and good for GGG for making Canelo have to pony up more of his end for blowing the rematch and screwing everyone's biggest payday of the year...from the vending people selling programs and valet's parking cars in Vegas on up to the boxers themselves.

One person was responsible for mucking this up and to think that he's just going to assume the same exact deal and take is ridiculous in any business agreement. I personally hope that the fight is not signed because it's just going to be another Golden Boy bought decision.

[Heretic]

What has Canelo done to to earn the second shot at all those belts?

He had hes chance and was not able to get the belts in the ring.

Last time I checked being celebrity had no effect on boxing rankings.

There are guys who have earned the right to challenge for the titles the hard way by getting to mandatory positions. It is only good if GGG fights those guys. The match could even be good if the opponents wasn't only there to survive.

Boxing has way too many divas now days

[jamamb]

i mean its simple, if ggg wants a payday thats almost 10x what he averages then he takes the original deal.

ya its true canelo makes more vs ggg then vs other opposition, but its nothing close to the same type of hit. ggg would be looking at losing a payday thats like 8-10 fights at his usual rate, thats not true at all for canelo

[Ruthless-RKO]

What has Canelo done to to earn the second shot at all those belts?

He had hes chance and was not able to get the belts in the ring.

Last time I checked being celebrity had no effect on boxing rankings.

There are guys who have earned the right to challenge for the titles the hard way by getting to mandatory positions. It is only good if GGG fights those guys. The match could even be good if the opponents wasn't only there to survive.

I agree with everything apart from the BOLD.

Mandatory positions aren't that hard to get into these days.
Charlo moved up and went straight into an eliminator against Heiland. Not that impressive. Then beat Centeno for the Interim belt..

Jacobs, may not have dropped his ranking too much, but WBA seemed to have wanted him to get back into mandatory position straight away.. Arias was a nothing fight and although Sulecki fight was decent, it was hardly rated on paper.

Derev has obviously been working his way up the rankings since turning pro.

[Heretic]

What has Canelo done to to earn the second shot at all those belts?

He had hes chance and was not able to get the belts in the ring.

Last time I checked being celebrity had no effect on boxing rankings.

There are guys who have earned the right to challenge for the titles the hard way by getting to mandatory positions. It is only good if GGG fights those guys. The match could even be good if the opponents wasn't only there to survive.

I agree with everything apart from the BOLD.

Mandatory positions aren't that hard to get into these days.
Charlo moved up and went straight into an eliminator against Heiland. Not that impressive. Then beat Centeno for the Interim belt..

Jacobs, may not have dropped his ranking too much, but WBA seemed to have wanted him to get back into mandatory position straight away.. Arias was a nothing fight and although Sulecki fight was decent, it was hardly rated on paper.

Derev has obviously been working his way up the rankings since turning pro.

Charlo and Jacobs have atleast done way more at the weight than Canelo to get those positions

[Ruthless-RKO]

What has Canelo done to to earn the second shot at all those belts?

He had hes chance and was not able to get the belts in the ring.

Last time I checked being celebrity had no effect on boxing rankings.

There are guys who have earned the right to challenge for the titles the hard way by getting to mandatory positions. It is only good if GGG fights those guys. The match could even be good if the opponents wasn't only there to survive.

I agree with everything apart from the BOLD.

Mandatory positions aren't that hard to get into these days.
Charlo moved up and went straight into an eliminator against Heiland. Not that impressive. Then beat Centeno for the Interim belt..

Jacobs, may not have dropped his ranking too much, but WBA seemed to have wanted him to get back into mandatory position straight away.. Arias was a nothing fight and although Sulecki fight was decent, it was hardly rated on paper.

Derev has obviously been working his way up the rankings since turning pro.

Charlo and Jacobs have atleast done way more at the weight than Canelo to get those positions

Again, I agree with that. GGG was Canelo;s first full MW bout. Apart from that, he's been hovering around the weight for ages.

[jamamb]

even with catchweights lara and cotto are better mw wins then heiland and hugo. thats not even considering the fact that canelo did give ggg a competitive fight, which to me is far far more impressive then blowing out guys like hugo and heiland. come on now, those guys are nothing, hugo couldnt even win a round vs sulecki

i can see ppl saying jacobs but no way on resume quality has charlo earned a title fight way more then canelo

[oogiebe]

GGG by decision. Canelo will be 'clean' for this fight and frankly, GGG will beat him easily by decision. No way GGG gets the KO. JMHO.

[Ruthless-RKO]

even with catchweights lara and cotto are better mw wins then heiland and hugo. thats not even considering the fact that canelo did give ggg a competitive fight, which to me is far far more impressive then blowing out guys like hugo and heiland. come on now, those guys are nothing, hugo couldnt even win a round vs sulecki

i can see ppl saying jacobs but no way on resume quality has charlo earned a title fight way more then canelo

I'm in agreement with you.

[mexicool]

Golovkin hadnt fought anyone until he was 34 when fought jacobs. One big pay day and now he wants to demand 50/50. Maybe it got to his head but hes still a $1 to $5 milliion fight guy. He should take whats being offered to him now.. 50/50 demand is def looking a way out to not fight Canelo

[Ruthless-RKO]

Golovkin hadnt fought anyone until he was 34 when fought jacobs. One big pay day and now he wants to demand 50/50. Maybe it got to his head but hes still a $1 to $5 milliion fight guy. He should take whats being offered to him now.. 50/50 demand is def looking a way out to not fight Canelo

He's earned the right to have a good paycheck. He's dominated the MW division for years. Before fighting Jacobs, he always called out those big names (Martinez, Cotto etc.) Those guys always had other plans, because the the time GGG was high risk/low reward.

He's not looking for a way out to not fight Canelo, he's looking out for himself.

[chuck9788]

Canelo is pricing himself out. It's clear and simple for all here to see.

[boxing_rocks]

Without GGG, Canelo is not making this kind of money for his next fight either. To think that GGG has no bargaining power in this ratio is ignorant. Both guys need each other to make the most coin possible.

If he fights O'Sullivan, Canelo will sell about 1/3 of PPVs, he would have sold against Golovkin. It may be a little more with other opponents, but no more than 1/2 compared to Golovkin fight.

[jamamb]

at gary o suddenly being a big fight player

[Ruthless-RKO]

at gary o suddenly being a big fight player

HAHA!

He's not in my top 10 MW rankings.

[Ruthless-RKO]

WBC Prez: Golovkin Has The Power To Make The Canelo Rematch

World Boxing Council President Mauricio Sulaiman is crossing his fingers that deal will be reached between the camps of IBF, WBA, WBC, IBO middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin and Mexican superstar Saul "Canelo" Alvarez.

In the opinion of Sulaiman, Golovkin should accept the terms in order to give the public the fight they want most.

"There's no way to understand why the fight is not signed. Everything is set for it to take place in September. I invite both camps to bury the hatchet and make the deal," Sulaiman said.

"I think Gennady Golovkin should understand that he has the power to make the fight happen and show everyone in the ring, just who is the best. Everyone wants to see the rematch because their first fight was great. And the world deserves to see the second fight."