Super heavyweight kickboxing world titlefight tonight in London

[Counter-puncher]

I'm quite confident Rico Verhoeven would beat Anthony Joshua for example in the later rounds actually.

[Datsue]

This is that fuckin' Dutch idiot back again, no?

[Counter-puncher]

This is that fuckin' Dutch idiot back again, no?

What, someone claiming a Dutch kickboxing champ would beat the heavyweight boxing champion of the world?

Whatever gave you that idea?

[lillywhite14]

This mongrel again?

If these Dutch kickboxers could so easily crush anything boxing has to offer, im pretty sure they’d all be in boxing and making 100x more money than they do kickboxing

[MattCoke]

This is live on freesports tonight may give it a watch seeing as there’s no live boxing on.

[littlepug]

Dont think ive ever seen a kickboxer that has impressed me (at kickoxing) muay thai fighters on the other hand are a breed apart and ive seen a few of them run right through kickboxers

[Deserter]

Kickboxers are drastically underestimated, and boxers are strongly overestimated.

As has already been clearly pointed out, simple economics tell you the truth - a fighter can earn far more money in boxing than in kickboxing, so if a kickboxer genuinely had the ability to be in a world champion in boxing, he would do so, as the rewards are so much greater. There's plenty of precedent for this as well.

The fact Rico hasn't, tells the story.

[littlepug]

Dont think ive ever seen a kickboxer that has impressed me (at kickoxing) muay thai fighters on the other hand are a breed apart and ive seen a few of them run right through kickboxers

Could you name a fight?

Not really, im sure there are good kickboxers but would favour boxers and muay thai guys over them

[Deserter]

Well, we have several kickboxers joining the boxers (the Klitschko brothers, Tyrone Spong, Povetkin, Dillian Whyte, Miller) and only one of them ever lost against a currently active boxer (Whyte against AJ).
Rico can beat AJ.

All you’re doIng is proving my point. Any kickboxer showing promise at boxing moves across pretty swiftly because of the money (I discount Spong from that as he’s not achieving anything in boxing).
They don’t stay in kickboxing for a long time and move across as an established champion:
AJ would destroy Rico in a boxing match.

[lillywhite14]

Dont think ive ever seen a kickboxer that has impressed me (at kickoxing) muay thai fighters on the other hand are a breed apart and ive seen a few of them run right through kickboxers

At a high level, they are all top class at what they do. I’ve seen some exceptional kick boxers and muai thai fighters train in the flesh but it’s like anything. When you’re talking elite, they are all impressive.

Simply doing muai thai doesn’t mean the person is exceptional. In the UK the standard is generally awful. I did a bit, 98% of the gym were awful. The trainer was a fvcking machine though. Such an effective martial art imo, just very few top, top guys over here.

Obviously discussions about martial art v martial art is as old as time and will run forever.

Always a bit strange when someone comes here, a boxing forum, talking about how kickboxers, who earn next to nothing relatively speaking, could beat all boxers, who earn shitloads at the top level...logic surely dictates that if someone could succeed at the very top level in Boxing and earn millions in the process, they would do just that?

[mickey1975]

Dont think ive ever seen a kickboxer that has impressed me (at kickoxing) muay thai fighters on the other hand are a breed apart and ive seen a few of them run right through kickboxers

At a high level, they are all top class at what they do. I’ve seen some exceptional kick boxers and muai thai fighters train in the flesh but it’s like anything. When you’re talking elite, they are all impressive.

Simply doing muai thai doesn’t mean the person is exceptional. In the UK the standard is generally awful. I did a bit, 98% of the gym were awful. The trainer was a fvcking machine though. Such an effective martial art imo, just very few top, top guys over here.

Obviously discussions about martial art v martial art is as old as time and will run forever.

Always a bit strange when someone comes here, a boxing forum, talking about how kickboxers, who earn next to nothing relatively speaking, could beat all boxers, who earn shitloads at the top level...logic surely dictates that if someone could succeed at the very top level in Boxing and earn millions in the process, they would do just that?

Liam Harrison has never earned £15,000 for a fight.

[littlepug]

Lillywhite, i was a little dismissive and im from a marial arts background prior to boxing, i can still remember some of the kickboxing legends like bill wallace and benny the jet that used to inspire me but for me elite againsnt elite i just prefer the muay thai guys and boxers over the kickboxers, speaking of which do you remember troy dorsey ? Woerld champion kickboxer and also grabbed a boxing world title although traded mainly in his toughness as a boxer.

[Alba]

Any links to a stream for this?

[littlepug]

Any links to a stream for this?

Where are you cos its free to air in uk

[Alba]

Ah am in Edinburgh!
Link me up brah

[Counter-puncher]

Any links to a stream for this?

Where are you cos its free to air in uk

What channel?

[littlepug]

Any links to a stream for this?

Where are you cos its free to air in uk

What channel?

Its called freesports, on sky its 422

[Boxerbeetle]

No idea what it’s going to be like, but I’ve just tuned in.

I give it 15 mins before my missus makes me turn it off again.

[littlepug]

Ah am in Edinburgh!
Link me up brah

Sky 422

[leejonesjnr]

Dont think ive ever seen a kickboxer that has impressed me (at kickoxing) muay thai fighters on the other hand are a breed apart and ive seen a few of them run right through kickboxers

At a high level, they are all top class at what they do. I’ve seen some exceptional kick boxers and muai thai fighters train in the flesh but it’s like anything. When you’re talking elite, they are all impressive.

Simply doing muai thai doesn’t mean the person is exceptional. In the UK the standard is generally awful. I did a bit, 98% of the gym were awful. The trainer was a fvcking machine though. Such an effective martial art imo, just very few top, top guys over here.

Obviously discussions about martial art v martial art is as old as time and will run forever.

Always a bit strange when someone comes here, a boxing forum, talking about how kickboxers, who earn next to nothing relatively speaking, could beat all boxers, who earn shitloads at the top level...logic surely dictates that if someone could succeed at the very top level in Boxing and earn millions in the process, they would do just that?

Liam Harrison has never earned £15,000 for a fight.

Interesting point.
I’m generally onboard with the idea that kickboxers, MTs and MMA competitors cant box at a high level as if they could, they would.
Liam Harrison is one of very few genuinely world level white MTs and he can box. I’m not sure what level he could have got to but I believe that he could have made good money boxing and chose MT instead.

[lillywhite14]

The Dutch Sonny Liston would knock Sprong out no problem

[lillywhite14]

Joshua stands no chance

[jamamb]

well if were talking kickboxing then ya rico probably beats aj, but boxing?

[jamamb]

btw, i love to catch k-1 rules kickboxing when i can. very entertaining on average. the traditional muay thai rules stuff though im not so hot on, can be a lot of ugly clinch fests

[Alba]

I have to say I enjoyed that , better than I expected.The whole package from production to fights was alright

Didn't look like many folk were there though