Billy Joe Saunders vs. Martin Murray - 23 June 2018

Who wins?

Poll ended at 23 Jun 2018, 12:47

Saunders - Decision
64
80%
Saunders - KO/TKO
10
13%
DRAW
2
3%
Murray - KO/TKO
3
4%
Murray - Decision
1
1%
 
Total votes: 80

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Re: Billy Joe Saunders vs. Martin Murray - 23 June 2018

Post by Ruthless-RKO »

Martin Murray washed his hand of the Billy Joe Saunders debacle via a social media post expressing his complete devastation over the collapse of the fight.

Murray, clearly upset at what had transpired when Saunders pulled out of the fight for a second time following a hamstring injury (hand the first time), St. Helens' finest accused the Hatfield technician of double standards after a post about David Haye in the past.

Saunders had gone off on one about Haye withdrawing from three fights in a row, two against friend Tyson Fury in 2013, whilst Murray reminded the undefeated world champion of that fact in his musings.

He wrote: "I won't keep going on about it and this is the last thing I'll post about the whole situation, but this proves the type of person that he is.

"A post he put out a few years ago when Haye kept pulling out of a scheduled fight with Fury.

"It wasn't acceptable when it was happening to someone he knew but now he's doing it he thinks it's ok. He's an hypicrite with double standards and is an imposter!

"You wouldn't hear the last of it if something like this happened to him and he's just like a typical bully who only fights and tries to intimidate people he knows he can win.

"The sooner people realise that he won't fight the likes of Golovkin or Canelo the better,"
added Murray.

Not one to take anything lying down, Saunders replied via an Instagram Live video on Monday, by stating: "I said those things because Tyson Fury spent about £90,000 on two training camps but there's a big difference between me and David Haye.

"I make smart decisions, I'm undefeated and you've lost about ten times. I'm at the business end and when there are millions at stake I don't take risks with an injury.

"I will fight anyone, anywhere. If you think I scared of you Martin Murray, I'll be at Tyson Fury's fight on Saturday night, come to see me face to face then."


It's a bitter end to what would have been a great fight but leaves two of Britain's top middleweights on the lookout for new opponents in the near future.
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Re: Billy Joe Saunders vs. Martin Murray - 23 June 2018

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 09:28 Martin Murray washed his hand of the Billy Joe Saunders debacle via a social media post expressing his complete devastation over the collapse of the fight.

Murray, clearly upset at what had transpired when Saunders pulled out of the fight for a second time following a hamstring injury (hand the first time), St. Helens' finest accused the Hatfield technician of double standards after a post about David Haye in the past.

Saunders had gone off on one about Haye withdrawing from three fights in a row, two against friend Tyson Fury in 2013, whilst Murray reminded the undefeated world champion of that fact in his musings.

He wrote: "I won't keep going on about it and this is the last thing I'll post about the whole situation, but this proves the type of person that he is.

"A post he put out a few years ago when Haye kept pulling out of a scheduled fight with Fury.

"It wasn't acceptable when it was happening to someone he knew but now he's doing it he thinks it's ok. He's an hypicrite with double standards and is an imposter!

"You wouldn't hear the last of it if something like this happened to him and he's just like a typical bully who only fights and tries to intimidate people he knows he can win.

"The sooner people realise that he won't fight the likes of Golovkin or Canelo the better,"
added Murray.

Not one to take anything lying down, Saunders replied via an Instagram Live video on Monday, by stating: "I said those things because Tyson Fury spent about £90,000 on two training camps but there's a big difference between me and David Haye.

"I make smart decisions, I'm undefeated and you've lost about ten times. I'm at the business end and when there are millions at stake I don't take risks with an injury.

"I will fight anyone, anywhere. If you think I scared of you Martin Murray, I'll be at Tyson Fury's fight on Saturday night, come to see me face to face then."


It's a bitter end to what would have been a great fight but leaves two of Britain's top middleweights on the lookout for new opponents in the near future.
Instead of knockin murray spark out in manchester this saturday why not just go ahead with the planned fight? I hope murray goes to manchester on saturday and puts it on BJS toes
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Re: Billy Joe Saunders vs. Martin Murray - 23 June 2018

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Billy Joe said he ain’t scared a no man born from his mother.

They guy needs to fight. He can’t live off That Lemieux win forever.

Would love to see him in against a Charlo or Derevenyenko
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Re: Billy Joe Saunders vs. Martin Murray - 23 June 2018

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Do fighters have to offer any evidence that they are actually injured when they pull out of a fight due to that excuse?

Can their opponent sue them for lying?
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Re: Billy Joe Saunders vs. Martin Murray - 23 June 2018

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Horse wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 11:30 Do fighters have to offer any evidence that they are actually injured when they pull out of a fight due to that excuse?

Can their opponent sue them for lying?
Doubt it or David Haye wouldn't have a pot to piss in!
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Re: Billy Joe Saunders vs. Martin Murray - 23 June 2018

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Stuarty wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 11:37
Horse wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 11:30 Do fighters have to offer any evidence that they are actually injured when they pull out of a fight due to that excuse?

Can their opponent sue them for lying?
Doubt it or David Haye wouldn't have a pot to piss in!
:lol: :lol: :OhYes: :OhYes: :OhYes:
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Re: Billy Joe Saunders vs. Martin Murray - 23 June 2018

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Stuarty wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 11:37
Horse wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 11:30 Do fighters have to offer any evidence that they are actually injured when they pull out of a fight due to that excuse?

Can their opponent sue them for lying?
Doubt it or David Haye wouldn't have a pot to piss in!
:lol: :TU:
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Re: Billy Joe Saunders vs. Martin Murray - 23 June 2018

Post by Nightmare Roy »

thechump wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 10:39
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 09:28 Martin Murray washed his hand of the Billy Joe Saunders debacle via a social media post expressing his complete devastation over the collapse of the fight.

Murray, clearly upset at what had transpired when Saunders pulled out of the fight for a second time following a hamstring injury (hand the first time), St. Helens' finest accused the Hatfield technician of double standards after a post about David Haye in the past.

Saunders had gone off on one about Haye withdrawing from three fights in a row, two against friend Tyson Fury in 2013, whilst Murray reminded the undefeated world champion of that fact in his musings.

He wrote: "I won't keep going on about it and this is the last thing I'll post about the whole situation, but this proves the type of person that he is.

"A post he put out a few years ago when Haye kept pulling out of a scheduled fight with Fury.

"It wasn't acceptable when it was happening to someone he knew but now he's doing it he thinks it's ok. He's an hypicrite with double standards and is an imposter!

"You wouldn't hear the last of it if something like this happened to him and he's just like a typical bully who only fights and tries to intimidate people he knows he can win.

"The sooner people realise that he won't fight the likes of Golovkin or Canelo the better,"
added Murray.

Not one to take anything lying down, Saunders replied via an Instagram Live video on Monday, by stating: "I said those things because Tyson Fury spent about £90,000 on two training camps but there's a big difference between me and David Haye.

"I make smart decisions, I'm undefeated and you've lost about ten times. I'm at the business end and when there are millions at stake I don't take risks with an injury.

"I will fight anyone, anywhere. If you think I scared of you Martin Murray, I'll be at Tyson Fury's fight on Saturday night, come to see me face to face then."


It's a bitter end to what would have been a great fight but leaves two of Britain's top middleweights on the lookout for new opponents in the near future.
Instead of knockin murray spark out in manchester this saturday why not just go ahead with the planned fight? I hope murray goes to manchester on saturday and puts it on BJS toes
Not sure who my money would be on if it was in the cobbles :box:
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Re: Billy Joe Saunders vs. Martin Murray - 23 June 2018

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Nightmare Roy wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 12:17
thechump wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 10:39
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 09:28 Martin Murray washed his hand of the Billy Joe Saunders debacle via a social media post expressing his complete devastation over the collapse of the fight.

Murray, clearly upset at what had transpired when Saunders pulled out of the fight for a second time following a hamstring injury (hand the first time), St. Helens' finest accused the Hatfield technician of double standards after a post about David Haye in the past.

Saunders had gone off on one about Haye withdrawing from three fights in a row, two against friend Tyson Fury in 2013, whilst Murray reminded the undefeated world champion of that fact in his musings.

He wrote: "I won't keep going on about it and this is the last thing I'll post about the whole situation, but this proves the type of person that he is.

"A post he put out a few years ago when Haye kept pulling out of a scheduled fight with Fury.

"It wasn't acceptable when it was happening to someone he knew but now he's doing it he thinks it's ok. He's an hypicrite with double standards and is an imposter!

"You wouldn't hear the last of it if something like this happened to him and he's just like a typical bully who only fights and tries to intimidate people he knows he can win.

"The sooner people realise that he won't fight the likes of Golovkin or Canelo the better,"
added Murray.

Not one to take anything lying down, Saunders replied via an Instagram Live video on Monday, by stating: "I said those things because Tyson Fury spent about £90,000 on two training camps but there's a big difference between me and David Haye.

"I make smart decisions, I'm undefeated and you've lost about ten times. I'm at the business end and when there are millions at stake I don't take risks with an injury.

"I will fight anyone, anywhere. If you think I scared of you Martin Murray, I'll be at Tyson Fury's fight on Saturday night, come to see me face to face then."


It's a bitter end to what would have been a great fight but leaves two of Britain's top middleweights on the lookout for new opponents in the near future.
Instead of knockin murray spark out in manchester this saturday why not just go ahead with the planned fight? I hope murray goes to manchester on saturday and puts it on BJS toes
Not sure who my money would be on if it was in the cobbles :box:
Murray.

But two days later he'd vanish without a trace.
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Re: Billy Joe Saunders vs. Martin Murray - 23 June 2018

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Taansend wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 13:00
Nightmare Roy wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 12:17
thechump wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 10:39
Instead of knockin murray spark out in manchester this saturday why not just go ahead with the planned fight? I hope murray goes to manchester on saturday and puts it on BJS toes
Not sure who my money would be on if it was in the cobbles :box:
Murray.

But two days later he'd vanish without a trace.
Id have murray on the cobbles too
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Re: Billy Joe Saunders vs. Martin Murray - 23 June 2018

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thechump wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 13:21
Taansend wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 13:00
Nightmare Roy wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 12:17

Not sure who my money would be on if it was in the cobbles :box:
Murray.

But two days later he'd vanish without a trace.
Id have murray on the cobbles too
He's got a neck tattoo, for f*cks sake.
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Re: Billy Joe Saunders vs. Martin Murray - 23 June 2018

Post by TheGman »

Taansend wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 13:29
thechump wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 13:21
Taansend wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 13:00

Murray.

But two days later he'd vanish without a trace.
Id have murray on the cobbles too
He's got a neck tattoo, for f*cks sake.
Haha didnt mean I would have him on the cobbles I meant I'd pick him to beat saunders on the cobbles lol
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Re: Billy Joe Saunders vs. Martin Murray - 23 June 2018

Post by bigjack »

Stuarty wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 11:37
Horse wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 11:30 Do fighters have to offer any evidence that they are actually injured when they pull out of a fight due to that excuse?

Can their opponent sue them for lying?
Doubt it or David Haye wouldn't have a pot to piss in!
He Hasn't,his ex wife is getting most of it
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Re: Billy Joe Saunders vs. Martin Murray - 23 June 2018

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thechump wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 13:30
Taansend wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 13:29
thechump wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 13:21
Id have murray on the cobbles too
He's got a neck tattoo, for f*cks sake.
Haha didnt mean I would have him on the cobbles I meant I'd pick him to beat saunders on the cobbles lol
:lol:

I knew what you meant. I didn't think of it like that though :lol:
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Re: Billy Joe Saunders vs. Martin Murray - 23 June 2018

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Horse wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 11:30 Do fighters have to offer any evidence that they are actually injured when they pull out of a fight due to that excuse?

Can their opponent sue them for lying?
Didn't FW sue the eubank clan for pulling out the fight with Tommy Langford citing an injury?
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Re: Billy Joe Saunders vs. Martin Murray - 23 June 2018

Post by nitro5912 »

Does anyone see the irony in Billy Joe's statement?

He claims fury lost 90k on 2 camps, well how much will Murray have lost on 2 camps? I bet the figure is quite a lump.

He then pretty much admits he has pulled out so he can fight one of the big boys.

So basically he has wind of a big fight, claims to be injured then miraculously will be recovered in 6weeks or so to announce a fight with GGG or canelo.

I maybe cynical but I get why Murray is pissed, Billy Joe has screwed him out of probably his last payday twice.
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Re: Billy Joe Saunders vs. Martin Murray - 23 June 2018

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Saunders is a bitch.

He can't keep his story straight for even a few days because of his pride.

Absolutely disgusting.
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Re: Billy Joe Saunders vs. Martin Murray - 23 June 2018

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Horse wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 14:30 Saunders is a bitch.

He can't keep his story straight for even a few days because of his pride.

Absolutely disgusting.
Backing out of fights, and making excuses should move him up on your British P4P list huh?
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Re: Billy Joe Saunders vs. Martin Murray - 23 June 2018

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gilgamesh wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 14:32Backing out of fights, and making excuses should move him up on your British P4P list huh?
Based on what?
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Re: Billy Joe Saunders vs. Martin Murray - 23 June 2018

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Horse wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 14:33
gilgamesh wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 14:32Backing out of fights, and making excuses should move him up on your British P4P list huh?
Based on what?
It's worked for Fury
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Re: Billy Joe Saunders vs. Martin Murray - 23 June 2018

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gilgamesh wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 14:38It's worked for Fury
Evidence?

You know you are just making things up.
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Re: Billy Joe Saunders vs. Martin Murray - 23 June 2018

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nitro5912 wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 14:27 Does anyone see the irony in Billy Joe's statement?

He claims fury lost 90k on 2 camps, well how much will Murray have lost on 2 camps? I bet the figure is quite a lump.

He then pretty much admits he has pulled out so he can fight one of the big boys.

So basically he has wind of a big fight, claims to be injured then miraculously will be recovered in 6weeks or so to announce a fight with GGG or canelo.

I maybe cynical but I get why Murray is pissed, Billy Joe has screwed him out of probably his last payday twice.
There's not really any irony in it. Saunders at least knows the market well enough, as does FW, that he's not going to get a big payday unless he lands a fight with Golovkin or Alvarez. For an unbeaten world champion he's dismally unpopular.
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Re: Billy Joe Saunders vs. Martin Murray - 23 June 2018

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I’d back Murray on the cobbles all day long.
Tough man.
Really trying to like BJS but he’s just not a likeable character and he’s nowhere near as funny as he thinks he is.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Lemieux transpires to be his best win when he retires.
I’d actually consider buying a ticket and travelling up to Manchester if I knew Murray was going to be there aswell.
It’s beyond beggars belief you can have a fighter as good as BJS, who’s had some huge wins over two globally marketable fighters (Jr and Lemieux) on top of dominating good names domestically and European level, yet he struggles to sell more than 1-2k tickets in his home country’s capital. That’s not including the fact he’s a Olympian.
Awful promotion, awful management aswell for the fact the whole boxing public know he’s a bit of a tosser yet no-one stops him from his idiotic rants on different platforms.
Wish him all the best if he fights one of the big two. But take away that world title belt and he’s worthless on the world scene.
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Re: Billy Joe Saunders vs. Martin Murray - 23 June 2018

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PredatorHayds wrote: 04 Jun 2018, 15:45 I’d back Murray on the cobbles all day long.
Tough man.
Really trying to like BJS but he’s just not a likeable character and he’s nowhere near as funny as he thinks he is.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Lemieux transpires to be his best win when he retires.
I’d actually consider buying a ticket and travelling up to Manchester if I knew Murray was going to be there aswell.
It’s beyond beggars belief you can have a fighter as good as BJS, who’s had some huge wins over two globally marketable fighters (Jr and Lemieux) on top of dominating good names domestically and European level, yet he struggles to sell more than 1-2k tickets in his home country’s capital. That’s not including the fact he’s a Olympian.
Awful promotion, awful management aswell for the fact the whole boxing public know he’s a bit of a tosser yet no-one stops him from his idiotic rants on different platforms.
Wish him all the best if he fights one of the big two. But take away that world title belt and he’s worthless on the world scene.
Warren is a crap promoter.

Boxing is so poorly run it blows my mind.
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