He was bang on that Groves was ready to go but way too soon.
I still maintain that if Groves came in with the intention of outboxing Froch on the run like he did with Degale, he wins the fight. He blew himself out trying to KO Froch in the first and still held his feet too long at times in the second. I've said it before but getting KO'd by a right hand while throwing a lead left hook is definitely the poorest mistake I've seen him make in the ring and I can understand why he chose to blame Paddy, who probably came up with the idea of catching Froch with left hooks on the way in.
Being pedantic I'd say it was an attempted check hook gone wrong and beaten by the right hand it was intended to 'check', rather than 'just' a lead left hook, like, Frazier style or something.
Froch had tried that long left hook-right hand combination 3 maybe 4 times before the KO. First time was horribly slow and Groves did clip him with a counter left IIRC, I think round 2. Then as the fight went on each time Froch tried that combo he got closer to landing- I don't specifically recall if Groves tried the left hook again until the KO, I don't think he did actually- so I think the KO was the next time Groves tried countering that combo with his left hook.
I wonder if he only landed it the first time as Froch tends to be so slow and sluggish early, you're certain right Groves should have kept his left hand at home- Frochs right was the only punch that was going to banjo him with one shot.
It was a check hook correct. I haven't watched the fight in a while but from memory groves was throwing that quite a bit and did hurt froch with it early, probably in the 2nd as you say. I remember thinking he's throwing that shot a lot. It stood out because its not a shot he tended to throw. He actually said before the fight that he was going to knock froch out with a left hook so I was watch out for it.
dookus wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 03:38Groves deserved to win at least one of those fights,but boxing is a cruel game.
That's all I'm sayin'.
Froch won both fights for very good reasons, entirely fairly, I just feel that the run of play should've resulted in a win each. Groves created his own fight-ending misfortunes following otherwise really solid boxing, and if those mistakes had been in one fight rather than spread thinly across two...
I don't really go for if this, if that. It's fighting, you can look good for 6 rounds, be winning the fight (if that's how you see it) and then you can get tired and the other man, with the better engine, can come into his own and banjo you twice when you're tired and your concentration is less and punch resistance less.
It's a 12 round fight, there can be no nearlys when you get KO'd twice in rounds 8 and 9 in 2 consecutive fights by the same fighter. That's not bad luck, that's a pattern - a plan coming to fruition.
TheCobra wrote: ↑12 May 2018, 14:26
I don't really go for if this, if that. It's fighting, you can look good for 6 rounds, be winning the fight (if that's how you see it) and then you can get tired and the other man, with the better engine, can come into his own and banjo you twice when you're tired and your concentration is less and punch resistance less.
It's a 12 round fight, there can be no nearlys when you get KO'd twice in rounds 8 and 9 in 2 consecutive fights by the same fighter. That's not bad luck, that's a pattern - a plan coming to fruition.
TheCobra wrote: ↑12 May 2018, 14:26
I don't really go for if this, if that. It's fighting, you can look good for 6 rounds, be winning the fight (if that's how you see it) and then you can get tired and the other man, with the better engine, can come into his own and banjo you twice when you're tired and your concentration is less and punch resistance less.
It's a 12 round fight, there can be no nearlys when you get KO'd twice in rounds 8 and 9 in 2 consecutive fights by the same fighter. That's not bad luck, that's a pattern - a plan coming to fruition.
Sorry pal, but you must have been watching something entirely different to everyone else. Since when was Groves banjo'ed in the first fight or knocked out?
The only person to hit the canvas in fight 1 was Froch. And if fact, he was forunate to survive the round.
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Fair game if he's been mouthing off about his Mrs. Nobody would blame Carl for cobra'ing the fukk outta him
Indeed. I wouldn't be surprised if Carl doesn't know about this though. The amount of talk there is about him and about him and his Mrs. I bet he stopped paying attention some time ago.
He knows, I shall try to get his view on camera if poss on Friday as his brother is boxing at Nottingham motorpoint arena and he is always in attendance to support him. If I manage to do so ill post it on here.
TheCobra wrote: ↑12 May 2018, 14:26
I don't really go for if this, if that. It's fighting, you can look good for 6 rounds, be winning the fight (if that's how you see it) and then you can get tired and the other man, with the better engine, can come into his own and banjo you twice when you're tired and your concentration is less and punch resistance less.
It's a 12 round fight, there can be no nearlys when you get KO'd twice in rounds 8 and 9 in 2 consecutive fights by the same fighter. That's not bad luck, that's a pattern - a plan coming to fruition.
Sorry pal, but you must have been watching something entirely different to everyone else. Since when was Groves banjo'ed in the first fight or knocked out?
The only person to hit the canvas in fight 1 was Froch. And if fact, he was forunate to survive the round.
Groves was getting smacked about at the time of stoppage in the first fight. I agree though with the above poster who says it's all done now. Ancient history. Any doubts that Groves fans might have had from the first fight were conclusively put to rest in the second fight. End of story.
TheCobra wrote: ↑12 May 2018, 14:26
I don't really go for if this, if that. It's fighting, you can look good for 6 rounds, be winning the fight (if that's how you see it) and then you can get tired and the other man, with the better engine, can come into his own and banjo you twice when you're tired and your concentration is less and punch resistance less.
It's a 12 round fight, there can be no nearlys when you get KO'd twice in rounds 8 and 9 in 2 consecutive fights by the same fighter. That's not bad luck, that's a pattern - a plan coming to fruition.
Indeed. I wouldn't be surprised if Carl doesn't know about this though. The amount of talk there is about him and about him and his Mrs. I bet he stopped paying attention some time ago.
He knows, I shall try to get his view on camera if poss on Friday as his brother is boxing at Nottingham motorpoint arena and he is always in attendance to support him. If I manage to do so ill post it on here.
Did you find him?
Completely forgot about it on the night in afraid. Was caught up in watching some pretty decent fights.. May have been unlicensed but some of them impressed me and the matchmaking was fantastic, pretty much every bout looked a 50/50
He knows, I shall try to get his view on camera if poss on Friday as his brother is boxing at Nottingham motorpoint arena and he is always in attendance to support him. If I manage to do so ill post it on here.
Did you find him?
Completely forgot about it on the night in afraid. Was caught up in watching some pretty decent fights.. May have been unlicensed but some of them impressed me and the matchmaking was fantastic, pretty much every bout looked a 50/50
jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 13:51
I think personally that Froch was cheated out of an emphatic victory in the 1st fight; another 10 seconds and the ref would have been stepping in to save Grove from a total shelling, and everyone would have applauded.
It was a premature stoppage, but it's a tough one for a ref to call if he thinks a fighter is in danger of getting badly hurt.
Yeah, that was always my opinion on Froch vs Groves 1.
Premature stoppage, but if the referee let it go on a few more seconds, he'd have had a reason to stop it legitimately.
jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 13:51
I think personally that Froch was cheated out of an emphatic victory in the 1st fight; another 10 seconds and the ref would have been stepping in to save Grove from a total shelling, and everyone would have applauded.
It was a premature stoppage, but it's a tough one for a ref to call if he thinks a fighter is in danger of getting badly hurt.
Yeah, that was always my opinion on Froch vs Groves 1.
Premature stoppage, but if the referee let it go on a few more seconds, he'd have had a reason to stop it legitimately.
