BJS pulls out AGAIN

[Enlightened-One]

Nothing was agreed on regarding the Golovkin vs Saunders fight. The money BJS wanted and "signed" for wasn't available.

GGG didn't use that excuse when Saunders attended the Canelo-GGG press conference and taunted the Kazakh for "losing his pen".

Do you need a video of the Brit mocking Alvarez and Gennady?

When Loeffler was interviewed afterwards, he didn't use that excuse either.

Whatever happened. I’d trust Team GGG over Blow Job Saunders and Heart Attack Frank.

You don't have to take the word of Frānk Wārrĕn or Billy Joe Saunders - the facts can be verified by third party sources.

I'm not an ignorant fight fan that relies on personal bias to dictate my preferred perception of reality. I actually study the sport objectively and perform research to gather evidence and information prior to drawing conclusions based on real-world events, not lemming-like hearsay.

It’s actually very easy to argue that GGG’s refusal to take the Saunders fight was far worse than Saunders’ recent actions, when he withdrew from his bout against Martin Murray.

[norniron]

How do you know that Warren will pay Murray there has been no indication that is happening this is his first fight with Frank and BJS has pulled out through injury Warren has no obligation to pay Murray and i doubt he will.

Let’s not forget though that the first Saunders-Murray bout was only postponed a few weeks or so. Little or no compensation was required.

Also, Frānk Wārrĕn has a proven track record of compensating fighters that have missed out on an opportunity to face Billy Joe Saunders, such as when Quĕĕnsberry Promotions staged an alternative bout for Avtandil Khurtsidze against Tommy Langford for the WBO interim title. Billy Joe subsequently agreed to face the Georgian.

Believe it or not, the Saunders- Khurtsidze situation was entirely Gennady Golovkin’s fault!

It is believed that Murray will now instead face Kody Davies (so he’s not missing out on his payday), in an event promoted by Quĕĕnsberry Promotions, and if Saunders can keep hold of his title long enough, Martin will very likely get his shot at the WBO belt.

Also the rest of your argument is predicated on everyone who criticizes BJS being a GGG fan...

I’m not for one second suggesting that I’m an advocate of A-side fighters withdrawing from previously-arranged bouts against B-side opponents, in order to exploit potential opportunities to receive better paydays to face someone else instead, but sadly it happens and it is common.

So to criticise one fighter, but not another, when they both commit the same proverbial “crime”, seems a tad unfair to me. Why can’t other people apply their criticism consistently and fairly?

personally i fell both are in the wrong

I agree with you. My moral compass prevents me from allowing my bias to affect my ability to judge guilt.

but i don't know what mental gymnastics you had to do to equate deciding to fight another opponent before the contract is signed on both sides and faking an injury twice to chase another fighter.

No mental gymnastics were required. The similarities between these situations are uncanny.

Saunders had agreed terms and signed a contract to face Golovkin, but Gennady preferred to exploit a potential opportunity to receive a better payday to face Canelo instead.

Murray had agreed terms and signed a contract to face Saunders, but Billy Joe preferred to exploit a potential opportunity to receive a better payday to face Canelo or Golovkin instead.

In my mind, the so-called "crimes" are extremely similar in nature and both men deserve criticism.

Firstly you don't know if he is or isn't being compensated only Warren and Murray do and I understand he is still fighting on the card but hardly going to be a similar payday and considering how clearly annoyed Murray is about the whole thing i tend to think he isn't being compensated.

Also you have to be joking if you believe they're similar, pulling out 3 weeks before a fight when fans have booked flights, hotels and tickets is disrespectful not just to Murray but to the fans and he has done this twice now, GGG's pullout affected BJS and Warren not the fans and that is the big difference.

[boxing_rocks]

Also you have to be joking if you believe they're similar, pulling out 3 weeks before a fight when fans have booked flights, hotels and tickets is disrespectful not just to Murray but to the fans and he has done this twice now, GGG's pullout affected BJS and Warren not the fans and that is the big difference.

GGG didn't sign anything with BJS in the first place, so situations are totally different. EO tends to believe everything BJS and Warren are saying about those negotiations, but according to Loeffler, Saunders just wanted too much money.

[boxing_rocks]

We should find next from GBP or Loeffler if there is a fight deal with BJS.

Here is what bookies think about Billy's next fight:

Betway – Boxing – Specials

Billy Joe Saunders next fight:

Martin Murray

6/4

Gennady Golovkin

3/1

Canelo Alvarez

8/1

Chris Eubank Jnr

10/1

Daniel Jacobs

16/1

Sergiy Derevyanchenko

16/1

Kell Brook

20/1

Willy Monroe Jnr

20/1

David Lemieux

33/1

Ryota Murata

33/1

Demetrius Andrade

33/1

Andy Lee

33/1

George Groves

33/1

[Enlightened-One]

How do you know that Warren will pay Murray there has been no indication that is happening this is his first fight with Frank and BJS has pulled out through injury Warren has no obligation to pay Murray and i doubt he will.

Let’s not forget though that the first Saunders-Murray bout was only postponed a few weeks or so. Little or no compensation was required.

Also, Frānk Wārrĕn has a proven track record of compensating fighters that have missed out on an opportunity to face Billy Joe Saunders, such as when Quĕĕnsberry Promotions staged an alternative bout for Avtandil Khurtsidze against Tommy Langford for the WBO interim title. Billy Joe subsequently agreed to face the Georgian.

Believe it or not, the Saunders- Khurtsidze situation was entirely Gennady Golovkin’s fault!

It is believed that Murray will now instead face Kody Davies (so he’s not missing out on his payday), in an event promoted by Quĕĕnsberry Promotions, and if Saunders can keep hold of his title long enough, Martin will very likely get his shot at the WBO belt.

Also the rest of your argument is predicated on everyone who criticizes BJS being a GGG fan...

I’m not for one second suggesting that I’m an advocate of A-side fighters withdrawing from previously-arranged bouts against B-side opponents, in order to exploit potential opportunities to receive better paydays to face someone else instead, but sadly it happens and it is common.

So to criticise one fighter, but not another, when they both commit the same proverbial “crime”, seems a tad unfair to me. Why can’t other people apply their criticism consistently and fairly?

personally i fell both are in the wrong

I agree with you. My moral compass prevents me from allowing my bias to affect my ability to judge guilt.

but i don't know what mental gymnastics you had to do to equate deciding to fight another opponent before the contract is signed on both sides and faking an injury twice to chase another fighter.

No mental gymnastics were required. The similarities between these situations are uncanny.

Saunders had agreed terms and signed a contract to face Golovkin, but Gennady preferred to exploit a potential opportunity to receive a better payday to face Canelo instead.

Murray had agreed terms and signed a contract to face Saunders, but Billy Joe preferred to exploit a potential opportunity to receive a better payday to face Canelo or Golovkin instead.

In my mind, the so-called "crimes" are extremely similar in nature and both men deserve criticism.

Firstly you don't know if he is or isn't being compensated only Warren and Murray do and I understand he is still fighting on the card but hardly going to be a similar payday and considering how clearly annoyed Murray is about the whole thing i tend to think he isn't being compensated.

Also you have to be joking if you believe they're similar, pulling out 3 weeks before a fight when fans have booked flights, hotels and tickets is disrespectful not just to Murray but to the fans and he has done this twice now, GGG's pullout affected BJS and Warren not the fans and that is the big difference.

Are you aware of the commercial implications of GGG's decision to not take the Saunders bout? Are you aware of the amount of money spent by Team Saunders had to pay out?

[Lairdy]

Murray is probably correct.

BJS is probably on standby for either Canelo or Golovkin in the fall, and doesn't want to risk anything against Murray.

That's very likely. Just after Golovkin-Canelo negotiations went absolutely wrong and Canelo's camp began the talk about other possible bouts including BJS among them. If it's true, this is even more interesting stuff to watch.

BJS beats an aging GGG, and boxes the ears of Canelo.

[jamamb]

lol bjs handles lem and now hes beating and schooling everyone

look at how different ggg-lem and ggg-jacobs looked. look at how much vastly easier canelo had hitting and defending vs ggg then lem did. lem is simply a very flattering opponent for top guys.

bjs has far more of a track record of not schooling opponents. even hesistent willie monroe won 4 rounds vs the supposedly dedicted and super trained bjs.

[jamamb]

bjs is an example of someone who very quickly went from underrated to overrated. guys like jacobs, charlo, and canelo would absolutely rout lemieux too, except theyd probably stop him.

golovkin was unhittable vs lem and we all know defense aint gennadys strong point

[DrDuke]

Murray is probably correct.

BJS is probably on standby for either Canelo or Golovkin in the fall, and doesn't want to risk anything against Murray.

That's very likely. Just after Golovkin-Canelo negotiations went absolutely wrong and Canelo's camp began the talk about other possible bouts including BJS among them. If it's true, this is even more interesting stuff to watch.

BJS beats an aging GGG, and boxes the ears of Canelo.

I find this pretty possible with BJS being fully ready.

[jamamb]

he would be dealing with a vastly higher level then he faced vs lemieux or anyone else. someone like canelo is 1000x more precise a puncher then lemieux

again, look at how much worse lem did vs ggg then jacobs and canelo did. huge difference between lem and the elite and lets not act like bjs suddenly schooling everyone was being said before he fought lem. golovkin was absolutely untoachable vs lem and couldnt miss a jab or any shot really, it shows you how limited lem is

bjs was with his new team and in shape for monroe and still dropped 4 rounds vs a guy who was hardly throwing. but ppl make so many excuses for bjs when he doesnt 'school' his opponents, so its as if only his best performances should count

[DrDuke]

he would be dealing with a vastly higher level then he faced vs lemieux or anyone else. someone like canelo is 1000x more precise a puncher then lemieux

again, look at how much worse lem did vs ggg then jacobs and canelo did. huge difference between lem and the elite and lets not act like bjs suddenly schooling everyone was being said before he fought lem

You're right for sure, but for the current moment BJS can also achieve some benefit from Golovkin aging and Canelo coming off the doping scandal.

[jamamb]

bjs could beat top fighters but i dont buy for one second that hes totally clowning and levels above a guy like canelo. thats just nonsense talk from ppl who cant put context on bjs lemieux fight. as i keep saying, even 'face defense' ggg was unhittable vs lemiex and couldnt f@cking miss a shot! jabbed him to oblvivion and looked a masterful boxer when his game is more of an educated slugger

look at how much more limited ggg looked vs jacobs and canelo. and an in shape ingle trained bjs just one fight before lem had 8-4 and 7-4-1 cards at home vs a monroe who barely threw. monroe did better against ggg then lem did too , though not as well as jacobs and canelo

[boxing_rocks]

No way BJS beats GGG at this time. Gennady would need to slide a lot more.

[jamamb]

he could beat ggg but this stuff about him schooling elite fighters is nonsense. he didnt even do that to willie monroe even after his supposed transformation. 8-4/7-4-1 were cards.

good example of a guy going from underrated to overrated (rather then overrated all career like ggg)

[Blodhemn]

At this point, everybody is overrated. All of a sudden GGG is average/overrated and the entire overrated MW division beats him to become overrated crowned champ. About as old and boring as these speculative threads.

[Enlightened-One]

Also you have to be joking if you believe they're similar, pulling out 3 weeks before a fight when fans have booked flights, hotels and tickets is disrespectful not just to Murray but to the fans and he has done this twice now, GGG's pullout affected BJS and Warren not the fans and that is the big difference.

GGG didn't sign anything with BJS in the first place, so situations are totally different. EO tends to believe everything BJS and Warren are saying about those negotiations, but according to Loeffler, Saunders just wanted too much money.

Take a look at the following facts relating to the timeline of events, which are easily verifiable, for the Golovkin-Saunders situation and then either revise your opinion, remain silent or try to detail any inaccuracies to any of the points listed below:

• 17/12/2016 – The Golovkin-Jacobs fight is officially announced
• 24/01/2017 - Billy Joe Saunders announces a "game-changing fight" that "the fans will genuinely love", which will require him to "travel", not to the "US" but in his opponents' "home country"
• 07/02/2017 – Frānk Wārrĕn announced that middleweight contender Avtandil Khurtsidze would be paid a six-figure step-aside fee, including a shot at the interim version of the WBO middleweight title, to allow Saunders to pursue “a major fight next”
• 13/03/2017 – Billy Joe Saunders claims that he could face GGG “very, very, very, very, very soon”
• 15/03/2017 – The media reports that June 10th is the date set for the GGG-Saunders fight, with Tom Loeffler refusing to confirm the speculation
• 17/03/2017 – Frānk Wārrĕn announces that if Golovkin defeats Jacobs then he wants Saunders next
• 18/03/2017 - Gennady Golovkin scores a decision victory over Danny Jacobs
• 19/03/2017 - GGG challenges the Brit to face him in his native Kazakhstan
• 20/03/2017 - Billy Joe Saunders claims that his team commenced negotiations for the GGG fight before he had even faced Jacobs and that they have already agreed the financial terms of the bout, but were simply waiting for Golovkin's signature
• 21/03/2017 - Oscar De La Hoya claims that Team GGG have to be more fair about contract negotiations based on the financials of the Golovkin-Jacobs fight
• 24/03/2017 - Oscar De La Hoya claims that a June fight between Golovkin & Saunders is disrespectful if they also hope to make the Canelo bout in September, due to the possible risks of injury to Golovkin and also reducing the time available to promote the super-fight
• 25/03/2017 - Billy Joe Saunders urges Golovkin to stop wasting time and take the fight
• 28/03/2017 - Billy Joe Saunders issues a deadline of the 31/03/2017 for GGG to agree the fight
• 29/03/2017 - Abel Sanchez claims that Oscar De La Hoya's threats are one way to say that they don't want the GGG-Canelo fight
• 29/03/2017 – Frānk Wārrĕn claims all the terms of the GGG fight have been accepted, but Golovkin has ten days, which is a deadline of the 08/04/2017, to sign the contract
• 30/03/2017 - Tom Loeffler claims that his team intend to make the Saunders fight, because nothing is signed with Golden Boy
• 30/03/2017 - Tom Loeffler denies knowledge of deadlines imposed by Saunders & Oscar De La Hoya claiming that an announcement would be made during W/C 03/04/2017
• 31/03/2017 - Billy Joe Saunders reminds Golovkin to sign the fight, offers to loan him his pen and also publishes the text messages he received from Tom Loeffler that proved the delay was caused by Team GGG
• 13/04/2017 - Golovkin called off talks of a unification bout against Billy Joe Saunders
• 22/04/2017 - Avtandil Khurtsidze wins the vacant WBO interim middleweight belt, defeating Tommy Langford via 5th round KO.
• 07/05/2017 - Canelo wins one-sided unanimous decision victory over Chávez Jr then officially announces the September showdown with Gennady Golovkin.
• 13/05/2017 - It was announced that Billy Joe Saunders would defend his WBO middleweight title against Avtandil Khurtsidze on the 8th July, 2017
• 09/06/2017 - Billy Joe's bout with Avtandil Khurtsidze was called off after the Georgian boxer was arrested
• 19/06/2017 - Saunders attends the Golovkin-Canelo press conference held in London and mocks Gennady for "losing his pen" and also accuses the Kazakh puncher of "ducking" him, with no member of Team GGG being able to refute Billy Joe's claims

[chinarich]

You must have far too much time on your hands...

[Enlightened-One]

You must have far too much time on your hands...

Yes I do, but in my defence, this was a post that has been recycled numerous times and has also grown organically in length each time it was resubmitted.

It’s a bit like Groundhog Day in the BoxRec forum, because the same discussions keep happening time-and-time again and most of the time I simply recycle my previous posts rather than reinventing the wheel.

I don't spend as much time doing things as people think I do.

[norniron]

Let’s not forget though that the first Saunders-Murray bout was only postponed a few weeks or so. Little or no compensation was required.

Also, Frānk Wārrĕn has a proven track record of compensating fighters that have missed out on an opportunity to face Billy Joe Saunders, such as when Quĕĕnsberry Promotions staged an alternative bout for Avtandil Khurtsidze against Tommy Langford for the WBO interim title. Billy Joe subsequently agreed to face the Georgian.

Believe it or not, the Saunders- Khurtsidze situation was entirely Gennady Golovkin’s fault!

It is believed that Murray will now instead face Kody Davies (so he’s not missing out on his payday), in an event promoted by Quĕĕnsberry Promotions, and if Saunders can keep hold of his title long enough, Martin will very likely get his shot at the WBO belt.

I’m not for one second suggesting that I’m an advocate of A-side fighters withdrawing from previously-arranged bouts against B-side opponents, in order to exploit potential opportunities to receive better paydays to face someone else instead, but sadly it happens and it is common.

So to criticise one fighter, but not another, when they both commit the same proverbial “crime”, seems a tad unfair to me. Why can’t other people apply their criticism consistently and fairly?

I agree with you. My moral compass prevents me from allowing my bias to affect my ability to judge guilt.

No mental gymnastics were required. The similarities between these situations are uncanny.

Saunders had agreed terms and signed a contract to face Golovkin, but Gennady preferred to exploit a potential opportunity to receive a better payday to face Canelo instead.

Murray had agreed terms and signed a contract to face Saunders, but Billy Joe preferred to exploit a potential opportunity to receive a better payday to face Canelo or Golovkin instead.

In my mind, the so-called "crimes" are extremely similar in nature and both men deserve criticism.

Firstly you don't know if he is or isn't being compensated only Warren and Murray do and I understand he is still fighting on the card but hardly going to be a similar payday and considering how clearly annoyed Murray is about the whole thing i tend to think he isn't being compensated.

Also you have to be joking if you believe they're similar, pulling out 3 weeks before a fight when fans have booked flights, hotels and tickets is disrespectful not just to Murray but to the fans and he has done this twice now, GGG's pullout affected BJS and Warren not the fans and that is the big difference.

Are you aware of the commercial implications of GGG's decision to not take the Saunders bout? Are you aware of the amount of money spent by Team Saunders had to pay out?

What rubbish are you talking i am saying its worse because 1 decision affects the fans and you just bring it back to the fighters, GGG never signed a contract to fight BJS that is a fact, BJS did and then pulled out at 3 weeks notice you have a clear agenda if you actually believe one to be as bad as the other.

[Enlightened-One]

Firstly you don't know if he is or isn't being compensated only Warren and Murray do and I understand he is still fighting on the card but hardly going to be a similar payday and considering how clearly annoyed Murray is about the whole thing i tend to think he isn't being compensated.

Also you have to be joking if you believe they're similar, pulling out 3 weeks before a fight when fans have booked flights, hotels and tickets is disrespectful not just to Murray but to the fans and he has done this twice now, GGG's pullout affected BJS and Warren not the fans and that is the big difference.

Are you aware of the commercial implications of GGG's decision to not take the Saunders bout? Are you aware of the amount of money spent by Team Saunders had to pay out?

What rubbish are you talking i am saying its worse because 1 decision affects the fans and you just bring it back to the fighters, GGG never signed a contract to fight BJS that is a fact, BJS did and then pulled out at 3 weeks notice you have a clear agenda if you actually believe one to be as bad as the other.

Read this post contained within this hyperlink that explains the timeline of events to realise what actually transpired: "BJS pulls out AGAIN"

[norniron]

Are you aware of the commercial implications of GGG's decision to not take the Saunders bout? Are you aware of the amount of money spent by Team Saunders had to pay out?

What rubbish are you talking i am saying its worse because 1 decision affects the fans and you just bring it back to the fighters, GGG never signed a contract to fight BJS that is a fact, BJS did and then pulled out at 3 weeks notice you have a clear agenda if you actually believe one to be as bad as the other.

Read this post contained within this hyperlink that explains the timeline of events to realise what actually transpired: "BJS pulls out AGAIN"

i have read it and i do not care i told you why one is much more egregious than the other and you come back with what GGG did is wrong and i told you in my first post i agree with you on that so why are you trying to say they're as bad as each other when that just isnt true.

[Boxerbeetle]

Also you have to be joking if you believe they're similar, pulling out 3 weeks before a fight when fans have booked flights, hotels and tickets is disrespectful not just to Murray but to the fans and he has done this twice now, GGG's pullout affected BJS and Warren not the fans and that is the big difference.

GGG didn't sign anything with BJS in the first place, so situations are totally different. EO tends to believe everything BJS and Warren are saying about those negotiations, but according to Loeffler, Saunders just wanted too much money.

Take a look at the following facts relating to the timeline of events, which are easily verifiable, for the Golovkin-Saunders situation and then either revise your opinion, remain silent or try to detail any inaccuracies to any of the points listed below:

• 17/12/2016 – The Golovkin-Jacobs fight is officially announced
• 24/01/2017 - Billy Joe Saunders announces a "game-changing fight" that "the fans will genuinely love", which will require him to "travel", not to the "US" but in his opponents' "home country"
• 07/02/2017 – Frānk Wārrĕn announced that middleweight contender Avtandil Khurtsidze would be paid a six-figure step-aside fee, including a shot at the interim version of the WBO middleweight title, to allow Saunders to pursue “a major fight next”
• 13/03/2017 – Billy Joe Saunders claims that he could face GGG “very, very, very, very, very soon”
• 15/03/2017 – The media reports that June 10th is the date set for the GGG-Saunders fight, with Tom Loeffler refusing to confirm the speculation
• 17/03/2017 – Frānk Wārrĕn announces that if Golovkin defeats Jacobs then he wants Saunders next
• 18/03/2017 - Gennady Golovkin scores a decision victory over Danny Jacobs
• 19/03/2017 - GGG challenges the Brit to face him in his native Kazakhstan
• 20/03/2017 - Billy Joe Saunders claims that his team commenced negotiations for the GGG fight before he had even faced Jacobs and that they have already agreed the financial terms of the bout, but were simply waiting for Golovkin's signature
• 21/03/2017 - Oscar De La Hoya claims that Team GGG have to be more fair about contract negotiations based on the financials of the Golovkin-Jacobs fight
• 24/03/2017 - Oscar De La Hoya claims that a June fight between Golovkin & Saunders is disrespectful if they also hope to make the Canelo bout in September, due to the possible risks of injury to Golovkin and also reducing the time available to promote the super-fight
• 25/03/2017 - Billy Joe Saunders urges Golovkin to stop wasting time and take the fight
• 28/03/2017 - Billy Joe Saunders issues a deadline of the 31/03/2017 for GGG to agree the fight
• 29/03/2017 - Abel Sanchez claims that Oscar De La Hoya's threats are one way to say that they don't want the GGG-Canelo fight
• 29/03/2017 – Frānk Wārrĕn claims all the terms of the GGG fight have been accepted, but Golovkin has ten days, which is a deadline of the 08/04/2017, to sign the contract
• 30/03/2017 - Tom Loeffler claims that his team intend to make the Saunders fight, because nothing is signed with Golden Boy
• 30/03/2017 - Tom Loeffler denies knowledge of deadlines imposed by Saunders & Oscar De La Hoya claiming that an announcement would be made during W/C 03/04/2017
• 31/03/2017 - Billy Joe Saunders reminds Golovkin to sign the fight, offers to loan him his pen and also publishes the text messages he received from Tom Loeffler that proved the delay was caused by Team GGG
• 13/04/2017 - Golovkin called off talks of a unification bout against Billy Joe Saunders
• 22/04/2017 - Avtandil Khurtsidze wins the vacant WBO interim middleweight belt, defeating Tommy Langford via 5th round KO.
• 07/05/2017 - Canelo wins one-sided unanimous decision victory over Chávez Jr then officially announces the September showdown with Gennady Golovkin.
• 13/05/2017 - It was announced that Billy Joe Saunders would defend his WBO middleweight title against Avtandil Khurtsidze on the 8th July, 2017
• 09/06/2017 - Billy Joe's bout with Avtandil Khurtsidze was called off after the Georgian boxer was arrested
• 19/06/2017 - Saunders attends the Golovkin-Canelo press conference held in London and mocks Gennady for "losing his pen" and also accuses the Kazakh puncher of "ducking" him, with no member of Team GGG being able to refute Billy Joe's claims

What an absolute load of drivel. Why do you waste people’s time with this garbage?

[caldo2025]

EO ruining another conversation...there's a surprise. Cut and Paste more garbage will you? I've had the same argument with EO before regarding the regularity of BJS's postponements and cancellations of fights he's signed. NO ONE should sign a contract to fight this guy because there's a very good probability, you won't get paid for a year. What a joke he is (BJS and EO).

[Enlightened-One]

GGG didn't sign anything with BJS in the first place, so situations are totally different. EO tends to believe everything BJS and Warren are saying about those negotiations, but according to Loeffler, Saunders just wanted too much money.

Take a look at the following facts relating to the timeline of events, which are easily verifiable, for the Golovkin-Saunders situation and then either revise your opinion, remain silent or try to detail any inaccuracies to any of the points listed below:

• 17/12/2016 – The Golovkin-Jacobs fight is officially announced
• 24/01/2017 - Billy Joe Saunders announces a "game-changing fight" that "the fans will genuinely love", which will require him to "travel", not to the "US" but in his opponents' "home country"
• 07/02/2017 – Frānk Wārrĕn announced that middleweight contender Avtandil Khurtsidze would be paid a six-figure step-aside fee, including a shot at the interim version of the WBO middleweight title, to allow Saunders to pursue “a major fight next”
• 13/03/2017 – Billy Joe Saunders claims that he could face GGG “very, very, very, very, very soon”
• 15/03/2017 – The media reports that June 10th is the date set for the GGG-Saunders fight, with Tom Loeffler refusing to confirm the speculation
• 17/03/2017 – Frānk Wārrĕn announces that if Golovkin defeats Jacobs then he wants Saunders next
• 18/03/2017 - Gennady Golovkin scores a decision victory over Danny Jacobs
• 19/03/2017 - GGG challenges the Brit to face him in his native Kazakhstan
• 20/03/2017 - Billy Joe Saunders claims that his team commenced negotiations for the GGG fight before he had even faced Jacobs and that they have already agreed the financial terms of the bout, but were simply waiting for Golovkin's signature
• 21/03/2017 - Oscar De La Hoya claims that Team GGG have to be more fair about contract negotiations based on the financials of the Golovkin-Jacobs fight
• 24/03/2017 - Oscar De La Hoya claims that a June fight between Golovkin & Saunders is disrespectful if they also hope to make the Canelo bout in September, due to the possible risks of injury to Golovkin and also reducing the time available to promote the super-fight
• 25/03/2017 - Billy Joe Saunders urges Golovkin to stop wasting time and take the fight
• 28/03/2017 - Billy Joe Saunders issues a deadline of the 31/03/2017 for GGG to agree the fight
• 29/03/2017 - Abel Sanchez claims that Oscar De La Hoya's threats are one way to say that they don't want the GGG-Canelo fight
• 29/03/2017 – Frānk Wārrĕn claims all the terms of the GGG fight have been accepted, but Golovkin has ten days, which is a deadline of the 08/04/2017, to sign the contract
• 30/03/2017 - Tom Loeffler claims that his team intend to make the Saunders fight, because nothing is signed with Golden Boy
• 30/03/2017 - Tom Loeffler denies knowledge of deadlines imposed by Saunders & Oscar De La Hoya claiming that an announcement would be made during W/C 03/04/2017
• 31/03/2017 - Billy Joe Saunders reminds Golovkin to sign the fight, offers to loan him his pen and also publishes the text messages he received from Tom Loeffler that proved the delay was caused by Team GGG
• 13/04/2017 - Golovkin called off talks of a unification bout against Billy Joe Saunders
• 22/04/2017 - Avtandil Khurtsidze wins the vacant WBO interim middleweight belt, defeating Tommy Langford via 5th round KO.
• 07/05/2017 - Canelo wins one-sided unanimous decision victory over Chávez Jr then officially announces the September showdown with Gennady Golovkin.
• 13/05/2017 - It was announced that Billy Joe Saunders would defend his WBO middleweight title against Avtandil Khurtsidze on the 8th July, 2017
• 09/06/2017 - Billy Joe's bout with Avtandil Khurtsidze was called off after the Georgian boxer was arrested
• 19/06/2017 - Saunders attends the Golovkin-Canelo press conference held in London and mocks Gennady for "losing his pen" and also accuses the Kazakh puncher of "ducking" him, with no member of Team GGG being able to refute Billy Joe's claims

What an absolute load of drivel. Why do you waste people’s time with this garbage?

The points I raised are factually correct and can be easily verified.

Pick one single point and try to disprove the claim being made. If you can't, then I guess you owe me an apology.

[Enlightened-One]

EO ruining another conversation...there's a surprise. Cut and Paste more garbage will you? I've had the same argument with EO before regarding the regularity of BJS's postponements and cancellations of fights he's signed. NO ONE should sign a contract to fight this guy because there's a very good probability, you won't get paid for a year. What a joke he is (BJS and EO).

You have a penchant for assigning the blame entirely on the fighter you perceive as being the “villain”, whilst ignoring any facts that don’t support your beliefs.

Billy Joe Saunders isn’t entirely responsible for all of the fights that he’s signed-up for but were subsequently cancelled.

There is an overwhelming amount of irrefutable evidence to prove this, but you flatly-refuse to recognise it.