IBF Heavyweight - What next if Whyte refuses?

[joshj909]

Frankly I think the WBC look like a bunch of cnuts anyway over their handling of this, but Sulaiman doesn't give a flying one, if he's even aware of how his shitty organisation is perceived. It's water off a duck's back, you might just as well try to make your dog feel embarrassed about humping your leg.

The thing is if Whyte elects to fight Pulev (always assuming Pulev is still up for fighting an eliminator against a top 6 ranked opponent for the dubious privilege of again earning a beating from Anthony Joshua and I'm not convinced about that even though the bid has been won for Sofia) then the WBC are no longer in the dock for failing to reward their number one contender with a title shot instead of yet another queue jump for the purpose of keeping Al Haymon happy, grateful. and cooperative and Deontay Wilder out of harm's way until he can make some real money.

Ortiz is a really tough fight for Whyte. Whyte earned his mandatory against Wilder but he was happy to jump a final hoop if that final hoop was Breazeale, and that the winner was Wilder's next mandatory after having despatched Stiverne. Hell he'd fight Ortiz for the same prize if he has to, but the idea that this is in order to become Wilder's next mandatory after Breazeale is a ferkin outrage.Wilder might not even be champion by the time the mandatory after Breazeale comes due.

If Whyte fights Ortiz anyway having given up his status as the WBC's badly wronged number one contender, Sulaiman won't care, it's just another fight between a former WBC title challenger and the IBF number one and / or mandatory (and that's assuming he beats Pulev) nothing whatever to do with Wilder's next mandatory after Breazeale who can be whoever Haymon wants it to be as usual.

And if Wilder has lost his title to Joshua in the meantime, then Sulaiman will be very happy to nominate Whyte as WBC mandatory for Joshua's undisputed crown, and he can pleasure himself dreaming of all those luvverly sanctioning fees.

I think you discussed the key point which Whyte should really be thinking about. In not too short of a time, we are expecting the titles to be unified, therefore mandatories could essentially the same before the end of the year or first half of next year. I personally just want to see Whyte fight Wilder, win or lose, because of the obvious slimey behaviour by Haymon and WBC, and also because i see Whyte v Joshua going the same way as before.

[candyslim]

I think Wilder beats Whyte handily in an exciting and competitive contest, and if it's a disappointment it will only be because Wilder manages to ice Dillian before he gets into his stride.

Either way I think Whyte is a significant underdog and I cannot for the life of me understand why team Wilder give every appearance of shitting themselves at the prospect of having to face him.

[joshj909]

I think Wilder beats Whyte handily in an exciting and competitive contest, and if it's a disappointment it will only be because Wilder manages to ice Dillian before he gets into his stride.

Either way I think Whyte is a significant underdog and I cannot for the life of me understand why team Wilder give every appearance of shitting themselves at the prospect of having to face him.

I don't think i have seen such clear and obvious avoidance of a fight that most people believe a champion should win. Personally i think it's more to do with Haymon wanting to keep hold of the belt. I believe only one of Wilder's title challengers hasn't been a Haymon man (or something like that). Wilder's just too dumb to see that he's a pawn in Haymon's game.

[candyslim]

Exactly. I think if Wilder was a smarter man he'd be incensed at Haymon's lack of faith in him.

[joshj909]

Potential curveball? apparently the presser is being held by Matchroom, which hints that it won't be with Pulev (albeit not definitively)

Going to be very underwhelming if it isn't Pulev or Ortiz, going to lose a few fans and get some stick aswell

[Rob3_142]

Oh my! Who's it going to be?!

[joshj909]

Oh my! Who's it going to be?!

So the names circulating twitter are Ortiz, Pulev, Parker, Miller and even Wilder. The Parker rumour has been denied by Higgins, the others are still rumoured though, all have some sort of justification as well.

I would honestly be happy with any of them, maybe slightly disappointed with Miller but it will do. In my opinion, any other name is going to cause a bit of backlash from fans and non-fans alike.

[Rob3_142]

Oh my! Who's it going to be?!

So the names circulating twitter are Ortiz, Pulev, Parker, Miller and even Wilder. The Parker rumour has been denied by Higgins, the others are still rumoured though, all have some sort of justification as well.

I would honestly be happy with any of them, maybe slightly disappointed with Miller but it will do. In my opinion, any other name is going to cause a bit of backlash from fans and non-fans alike.

I certainly would not be disappointed with Miller. They both would sell that with the greatest of ease.

[chinarich]

Miller doesn’t make much sense as an opponent in the context of WBC rankings, and although he’s highly rated by IBF Whyte might as well just fight Pulev who is frankly an easier touch...

[Boxing101101]

He's fighting Ortiz going to be announced tomorrow

[DrDuke]

He's fighting Ortiz going to be announced tomorrow

Yeah, the event is already on Boxrec http://boxrec.com/en/event/771057

I thought, it would be Pulev, but here's Ortiz. Well, still good, this increases the chances of KO much.

[joshj909]

He's fighting Ortiz going to be announced tomorrow

Yeah just seen that. Very brave move in my opinion, i guess he really wants to punch Wilder

Don't think there's another credible heavyweight that would've made the same decision.

This thread started going towards Whyte's route. Now what the hell happens to Pulev?

[Heretic]

So Whyte vs Ortiz

They are stepping up the game

Boxing could use couple of more Whytes

[Boxing101101]

Now Whyte is fighting Ortiz. Pulev vs miller?

[DrDuke]

Now Whyte is fighting Ortiz. Pulev vs miller?

Can be an interesting option.

[joshj909]

Now Whyte is fighting Ortiz. Pulev vs miller?

Depends on whether Miller is content with his WBA regular shot which apparently he has. I have a feeling he isn't. Miller v Pulev is a battle of styles, i'd be happy with that. Will show if Pulev has still got it and if Miller is a worthy challenger.

[joshj909]

CONFIRMED!!!

[DrDuke]

What the hell they are doing with this crazy switching of the opponents? Still a great match-up though.

[joshj909]

What the hell they are doing with this crazy switching of the opponents? Still a great match-up though.

This is purely for £££ and fans' view of Whyte. This doesn't help Whyte get a title shot any quicker at all when compared with his IBF and WBC opportunities.

Also, is Parker any easier than Ortiz? I mean, he kind of is ducking Ortiz and Pulev here, but by taking a possibly more difficult opponent Atleast we know Ortiz can be knocked out. Joshua beat Parker with his size and the jab, something that Whyte doesn't appear to have in his locker at the same level.

[DrDuke]

What the hell they are doing with this crazy switching of the opponents? Still a great match-up though.

This is purely for £££ and fans' view of Whyte. This doesn't help Whyte get a title shot any quicker at all when compared with his IBF and WBC opportunities.

Also, is Parker any easier than Ortiz? Atleast we know Ortiz can be knocked out. Joshua beat Parker with his size and the jab, something that Whyte doesn't appear to have in his locker at the same level.

I guess, Whyte will lose to both Ortiz and Parker, but Ortiz is likely to knock Whyte out, while Parker is likely to provide Whyte with much less damaging decision loss.

[Enlightened-One]

CONFIRMED!!!

OMG! I didn’t see this one coming!

I wonder if this means that we’re more likely to see a match-up between Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder?

I’ve always thought that Hearn wanted to orchestrate a way for Whyte to face Wilder, to challenge for his WBC title, with the winner of that bout not only increasing their exposure to UK fight fans, but also eventually participating in a super-fight against Anthony Joshua.

I guess a rematch between Joshua and Whyte was always going to be easy to arrange, regardless of the IBF’s insistence for Dillian to engage in a final eliminator.

So as an interim measure, if there is going to be a Joshua-Wilder super-fight at some point during 2018, then one of the biggest fights available (since Tyson Fury isn’t ready yet) is for Dillian Whyte to face Joseph Parker instead.

Since Whyte is rated above Parker by all four governing bodies, it seems that Dillian will be the A-side for this bout and is simply taking it for the payday, since a victory doesn’t improve his chances for engaging in a world title fight.

I’m going to predict a controversial decision victory for Whyte in this one. I feel that Dillian will gain the nod, since Parker was very fortunate to emerge victorious against Hughie Fury and Andy Ruiz Jr.

[Rob3_142]

CONFIRMED!!!

YES!! This is a brilliant match up.

Does absolutely nothing for Whyte's ranking, and of course there's going to be financial gains, but come on, this is what boxing is all about! Two top guys going toe to toe.

I think Whyte will be a little more high risk than Joshua, especially off the back of his brutal knockout of Browne. I think Whyte can do it, but I just cannot wait for it. I will be buying this one!

[candyslim]

What the hell they are doing with this crazy switching of the opponents? Still a great match-up though.

This is purely for £££ and fans' view of Whyte. This doesn't help Whyte get a title shot any quicker at all when compared with his IBF and WBC opportunities.

Also, is Parker any easier than Ortiz? I mean, he kind of is ducking Ortiz and Pulev here, but by taking a possibly more difficult opponent Atleast we know Ortiz can be knocked out. Joshua beat Parker with his size and the jab, something that Whyte doesn't appear to have in his locker at the same level.

FFS can we please stop using the word 'duck' or 'ducking' in relation to Dillian Whyte. This is a man who would fight Godzilla, How many more risky opponents (risky before the fight that is. It's only with hindsight they become crap) does he have to face before people give him the credit he has already earned ?

[ValMar]

What the hell they are doing with this crazy switching of the opponents? Still a great match-up though.

This is purely for £££ and fans' view of Whyte. This doesn't help Whyte get a title shot any quicker at all when compared with his IBF and WBC opportunities.

Also, is Parker any easier than Ortiz? I mean, he kind of is ducking Ortiz and Pulev here, but by taking a possibly more difficult opponent Atleast we know Ortiz can be knocked out. Joshua beat Parker with his size and the jab, something that Whyte doesn't appear to have in his locker at the same level.

FFS can we please stop using the word 'duck' or 'ducking' in relation to Dillian Whyte. This is a man who would fight Godzilla, How many more risky opponents (risky before the fight that is. It's only with hindsight they become crap) does he have to face before people give him the credit he has already earned ?

x2...............

[joshj909]

The rematch that nobody in their right mind is interested in seeing...