Fury vs. Seferi proves one thing...

[Ilya Muromets]

...and that is that we need *at least* one more heavyweight division! As it is they were both in the same weight division, and what a huge handicap that is for the smaller man! Meanwhile the ridiculous light weight divisions are separated by a mere two or three pounds.

[DrDuke]

Seferi isn't even a heavyweight.

[Ilya Muromets]

Seferi isn't even a heavyweight.

He usually fights at cruiser but he was a solid 210 tonight. There is really no place in boxing today for a man weighing a little over 200 unless he accepts a huge weight handicap trying to go up against the giants who now dominate the division.

I'm glad Seferi quit instead of getting hurt which he was bound to do, or take an obvious dive like David Haye's two comeback oponents did.

By the way i saw another instance of a fighter kissing his oponent before the fight started, an mma fight in Japan, and he got ko'd right then and there for doing it. It's on youtube. Those two tonight looked like they were on good terms, though, and goofy Fury can pull things off with a smile and get away with it.

[DrDuke]

He usually fights at cruiser but he was a solid 210 tonight. There is really no place in boxing today for a man weighing a little over 200 unless he accepts a huge weight handicap trying to go up against the giants who now dominate the division.

210 isn't a regular weight for the today's heavyweights. That's probably Seferi's normal weight, he probably just dehydrated to make the cruiserweight limit and that's it.

[Ilya Muromets]

He usually fights at cruiser but he was a solid 210 tonight. There is really no place in boxing today for a man weighing a little over 200 unless he accepts a huge weight handicap trying to go up against the giants who now dominate the division.

210 isn't a regular weight for the today's heavyweights. That's probably Seferi's normal weight, he probably just dehydrated to make the cruiserweight limit and that's it.

Its not the regular weights for today's heavyweight CHAMPS because much bigger *super heavyweights* are dominant.

I take this personally because when i was boxing that was my weight, maybe even a little less.

[Ilya Muromets]

If Seferi and Fury were around the same size, then it would have been a different story.

[DrDuke]

He usually fights at cruiser but he was a solid 210 tonight. There is really no place in boxing today for a man weighing a little over 200 unless he accepts a huge weight handicap trying to go up against the giants who now dominate the division.

210 isn't a regular weight for the today's heavyweights. That's probably Seferi's normal weight, he probably just dehydrated to make the cruiserweight limit and that's it.

Its not the regular weights for today's heavyweight CHAMPS because much bigger *super heavyweights* are dominant.

I take this personally because when i was boxing that was my weight, maybe even a little less.

Not only champs, but the higher level competition in general.

[littlepug]

...and that is that we need *at least* one more heavyweight division! As it is they were both in the same weight division, and what a huge handicap that is for the smaller man! Meanwhile the ridiculous light weight divisions are separated by a mere two or three pounds.

You dont understand the importance those small differences make in the lower divisions, it can literally be the difference between life and death in some cases and all for sod all money.

[Ilya Muromets]

210 isn't a regular weight for the today's heavyweights. That's probably Seferi's normal weight, he probably just dehydrated to make the cruiserweight limit and that's it.

Its not the regular weights for today's heavyweight CHAMPS because much bigger *super heavyweights* are dominant.

I take this personally because when i was boxing that was my weight, maybe even a little less.

Not only champs, but the higher level competition in general.

Correct. You geta 220 pound heavy now and they say he's too small. I even see them saying that about Povetkin on here!

[Ilya Muromets]

...and that is that we need *at least* one more heavyweight division! As it is they were both in the same weight division, and what a huge handicap that is for the smaller man! Meanwhile the ridiculous light weight divisions are separated by a mere two or three pounds.

You dont understand the importance those small differences make in the lower divisions, it can literally be the difference between life and death in some cases and all for sod all money.

All those absurd lower weight divisions are just so they can bill more fights as championship fights and put more asses in the seats. The whole antiquated and nonsensical weight division system should revised and redone by percentage increments.

[DrunkenBoxer]

There should be a super heavyweight division starting at 235lbs.

[snake33]

You don't want to put anything on top of heavyweight because it wiould destroy lineal history and tank the sport more,
But you could have a super light heavy division and move cruiserweight up to 225. That'd fix it.

[Ruthless-RKO]

You don't want to put anything on top of heavyweight because it wiould destroy lineal history and tank the sport more,
But you could have a super light heavy division and move cruiserweight up to 225. That'd fix it.

super cruiserweight or junior heavyweight

although WBO already call their cruiserweight division the junior heavyweight division.

[snake33]

You don't want to put anything on top of heavyweight because it wiould destroy lineal history and tank the sport more,
But you could have a super light heavy division and move cruiserweight up to 225. That'd fix it.

super cruiserweight or junior heavyweight

although WBO already call their cruiserweight division the junior heavyweight division.

Absolutely, that would work too.

[Evander]

What a farce that fight was, I feel sorry for anyone that paid to go.

[jujigatame]

There is a place for guys who weigh slightly over 200. It's called the cruiserweight division. Please stop trying to create more divisions, boxing already has more than enough.

[squiggy]

I think a big part of the problem is how many people treat cruiserweight like it's a minor league division. If it were marketed better, if fans were more excited to follow it, if fighters were more willing to stick around in it instead of always jumping to heavyweight instead, you wouldn't have to worry about your small heavyweights getting massively outweighed by your giant heavyweights.

[jujigatame]

It's true, cruiserweight gets unfairly treated as a 2nd class division. In the UFC, guys like Jon Jones and Chuck Liddell who fought their entire career at LHW (the UFC equivalent to CW) are considered all-time greats. In boxing whenever there's an elite CW talent people just talk about them like their career hasn't truly begun until they move up to HW.

Is there a single boxing HOFer who fought predominantly at CW and never moved up?

[Taansend]

Heavyweight limit should be above 100 kgs.

Flyweight should be under 50kgs

Eight divisions in between, ten in all.

Sorted

[squiggy]

It's true, cruiserweight gets unfairly treated as a 2nd class division. In the UFC, guys like Jon Jones and Chuck Liddell who fought their entire career at LHW (the UFC equivalent to CW) are considered all-time greats. In boxing whenever there's an elite CW talent people just talk about them like their career hasn't truly begun until they move up to HW.

Is there a single boxing HOFer who fought predominantly at CW and never moved up?

I don't know, but for my money, current champion Usyk is the greatest cruiserweight who hasn't moved up. Which is why I wish he'd stick around and rule the division -- he could well put together a better career at the weight than Holyfield did.
Course, Holyfield could've stuck around and ruled it indefinitely... and would up like five percent as rich and famous as he did.

[Wales]

UFC have a upper weight . Fighters can’t be over 265lbs.

Fighters are clearly getting bigger and heavier over time. And the size and weight difference in the HW division is certainly crazy compared to other divisions

[littlepug]

...and that is that we need *at least* one more heavyweight division! As it is they were both in the same weight division, and what a huge handicap that is for the smaller man! Meanwhile the ridiculous light weight divisions are separated by a mere two or three pounds.

You dont understand the importance those small differences make in the lower divisions, it can literally be the difference between life and death in some cases and all for sod all money.

All those absurd lower weight divisions are just so they can bill more fights as championship fights and put more asses in the seats. The whole antiquated and nonsensical weight division system should revised and redone by percentage increments.

I feel they are necessary but thats just me, as for the small Heavies they should be cruisers but the fact they cant be arsed to make the weight and want the bigger bucks is their problem, they moan they cant make it, they should try being bone dry and stuck between divisions down at the little weights.

[greg]

Fury vs. Seferi proves one thing...

..he's not ready to fight the top guys, the question remains: will he ever?

[Ilya Muromets]

You dont understand the importance those small differences make in the lower divisions, it can literally be the difference between life and death in some cases and all for sod all money.

All those absurd lower weight divisions are just so they can bill more fights as championship fights and put more asses in the seats. The whole antiquated and nonsensical weight division system should revised and redone by percentage increments.

I feel they are necessary but thats just me as for the small Heavies they should be cruisers but the fact they cant be arsed to make the weight and want the bigger bucks is their problem, they moan they cant make it, they should try being bone dry and stuck between divisions down at the little weights.

How discriminatory and unfair to demand that only men whose natural weight happens to be in the low 200's somehow alter their bodies to fit into a lower weight class, while everybody else is meticulously accomodated! For instance, a 168 pound super middleweight won't ever have to fight anyone weighing even six pounds more than him; or a 115 pound super flyweight won't have to fight anyone more than two pounds heavier! But a 210 pound fighter like Seferi gets thrown in with someone weighing almost one third his bodyweight - 66 pounds - heavier. That would be equivalent your super middleweight fighting a 223 pound man!

[littlepug]

All those absurd lower weight divisions are just so they can bill more fights as championship fights and put more asses in the seats. The whole antiquated and nonsensical weight division system should revised and redone by percentage increments.

I feel they are necessary but thats just me as for the small Heavies they should be cruisers but the fact they cant be arsed to make the weight and want the bigger bucks is their problem, they moan they cant make it, they should try being bone dry and stuck between divisions down at the little weights.

How discriminatory and unfair to demand that only men whose natural weight happens to be in the low 200's somehow alter their bodies to fit into a lower weight class, while everybody else is meticulously accomodated! For instance, a 168 pound super middleweight won't ever have to fight anyone weighing even six pounds more than him; or a 115 pound super flyweight won't have to fight anyone more than two pounds heavier! But a 210 pound fighter like Seferi gets thrown in with someone weighing almost one third his bodyweight - 66 pounds - heavier. That would be equivalent your super middleweight fighting a 223 pound man!

With dicilpline and a bit of work ethic Seferi could easily stay at cruiser rather than chance it in a division he doesnt belong in, all it does is give proper heavyweights like Fury an easy nights work, fair enough if you want to try and create a bit of history by moving up and trying to pull off what can seem like an impossible task ala Haye/Valuev but its still a bit gimmicky and when Haye went up against a real world class heavy in Klit it was plain to see he didnt belong, want the glamour and big buck of a heavyweight but not born as one ? well tough luck son because theres another 15 divisions below you with boxers wanting the exact same thing, Seferi didnt get thrown in with anyone, it was of his own choosing for the payday he wasnt gonna get at cruiser.