IBF title eliminator, Pulev vs. Miller, 28.07.2018

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 16 Jun 2018, 15:16

It might be very interesting and competitive. What do you predict ?

DrDuke · Post by **DrDuke** » 16 Jun 2018, 17:44

Is it on?

joshj909 · Post by **joshj909** » 16 Jun 2018, 18:48

DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Jun 2018, 17:44Is it on?

Last i heard was that purse bids were set for 28th of July

KiwiRider · Post by **KiwiRider** » 16 Jun 2018, 21:31

It's a tough one for Pulev after so much inactivity. In his prime, I would go Pulev. Now I have no clue where he is at. Rusty and old is my guess.

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 17 Jun 2018, 01:00

joshj909 wrote: ↑16 Jun 2018, 18:48
DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Jun 2018, 17:44Is it on?
Last i heard was that purse bids were set for 28th of July

I have read so.

African Monkey · Post by **African Monkey** » 17 Jun 2018, 01:03

I'd still beck Pulev to win an easy UD with Miller walking into his jab all night not that this fight will get made. Pulev v Dimitrenko rematch seems more likely.

DrDuke · Post by **DrDuke** » 17 Jun 2018, 04:17

African Monkey wrote: ↑17 Jun 2018, 01:03 I'd still beck Pulev to win an easy UD with Miller walking into his jab all night not that this fight will get made. Pulev v Dimitrenko rematch seems more likely.

Yeah, if it happens, I guess, I'll favour Pulev. He is after pretty long time off, but stylistically he gonna be problematic for Miller.

joe strong · Post by **joe strong** » 17 Jun 2018, 08:51

I see Miller completely overwhelming him. Pulev has no power to keep the 300lbs Miller off him. Pulev is tough but other than his jab he doesn't have much. He is 37 & pretty inactive the last few years. It won't be Dimitrenko as he is fight Agit Kabayel for EU belt & I expect him to get crushed in a few rounds. The only reason he is getting that fight & is ranked is because of his fluke hail mary punch that KO's Granat. Granat isn't that good & Sasha needed a win in court to get his last fight overturned to a victory. He had a draw against a weak opponent & during the fight got a love tap after the bell & went down like he got shot. It was embarrassing & even the ref called him out on it. The same guy got crushed by Kabayel in a couple of rounds.

Mexi-Box · Post by **Mexi-Box** » 17 Jun 2018, 09:53

Wow, Miller is going to lose and wide. Easy fight for Pulev.

Mexi-Box · Post by **Mexi-Box** » 17 Jun 2018, 09:54

joe strong wrote: ↑17 Jun 2018, 08:51 I see Miller completely overwhelming him. Pulev has no power to keep the 300lbs Miller off him. Pulev is tough but other than his jab he doesn't have much. He is 37 & pretty inactive the last few years. It won't be Dimitrenko as he is fight Agit Kabayel for EU belt & I expect him to get crushed in a few rounds. The only reason he is getting that fight & is ranked is because of his fluke hail mary punch that KO's Granat. Granat isn't that good & Sasha needed a win in court to get his last fight overturned to a victory. He had a draw against a weak opponent & during the fight got a love tap after the bell & went down like he got shot. It was embarrassing & even the ref called him out on it. The same guy got crushed by Kabayel in a couple of rounds.

Are you kidding? Miller was getting bashed up by a one-armed Wach. Pulev has more than enough to keep him off. How in the world does anyone think Miller has a chance? Only way Miller wins is if Pulev gets ancient overnight.

jockpunk · Post by **jockpunk** » 17 Jun 2018, 11:28

Miller throws a ton of punches. That is enough to win most fights in the heavyweight division.

Heretic · Post by **Heretic** » 17 Jun 2018, 16:57

Hmm I actually think that Miller has the advantage here.

Pulev is good boxer but I think Miller has the style to beat him.

I think that Miller will simply roll over anyone who doesn't have the power to stop him. I don't think that Pulev does so it will be tough night for him.

joe strong · Post by **joe strong** » 18 Jun 2018, 00:04

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑17 Jun 2018, 09:54
joe strong wrote: ↑17 Jun 2018, 08:51 I see Miller completely overwhelming him. Pulev has no power to keep the 300lbs Miller off him. Pulev is tough but other than his jab he doesn't have much. He is 37 & pretty inactive the last few years. It won't be Dimitrenko as he is fight Agit Kabayel for EU belt & I expect him to get crushed in a few rounds. The only reason he is getting that fight & is ranked is because of his fluke hail mary punch that KO's Granat. Granat isn't that good & Sasha needed a win in court to get his last fight overturned to a victory. He had a draw against a weak opponent & during the fight got a love tap after the bell & went down like he got shot. It was embarrassing & even the ref called him out on it. The same guy got crushed by Kabayel in a couple of rounds.
Are you kidding? Miller was getting bashed up by a one-armed Wach. Pulev has more than enough to keep him off. How in the world does anyone think Miller has a chance? Only way Miller wins is if Pulev gets ancient overnight.

He stopped Wach, Washington & beat Duhaupas. What has Pulev done since he beat Chisora? I think Pulev is past it & Miller won't be bothered by Pulev. Pulev's opponents have been carefully selected throughout his career. He has only fought 2 big punchers (Klitschko & Abell) & both dropped him. His best win is over Chisora or a 40+ year old Tony Thompson. Other notable wins over Dimitrenko, Ustinov, Kevin johnson & Derric Rossy. Since the Klitschko fight he has 5 fights in 4 year & twice he dropped out against Joshua. The 2nd time claiming injury. Chisora, Kingpin, Washed Up & Fat Sam Peter, George Arias & completely shot Maurice Harris. Miller has some momentum & he is fresh. I have always said Pulev is one of the most overrated HWs on boxing forms & he has done very little in his career to gain such praise. The same can be said about Luis Ortiz who has wins over Malik Scott & Bryant Jennings. What else has he done? Pulev's resume is actually not that great. Miller would be his best victory if he could beat him...

candyslim · Post by **candyslim** » 18 Jun 2018, 03:28

If Pulev were 30 it would be an interesting fight but he's 37 now and hasn't had to prove himself in quite a while. Miller will steam-roller him in my opinion. He will walk right through Pulev's jab and overwhelm him. Miller doesn't hit particularly hard but he throws a hell of a lot of punches and won't give Pulev a moment's peace.

You need concussive power to back Miller up and Pulev just doesn't have it.

Enlightened-One · Post by **Enlightened-One** » 19 Jun 2018, 05:32

Whilst I appreciate the fact that the IBF have ordered a bout between Kubrat Pulev and Jarrell Miller, it seems pretty certain that the American is already guaranteed a shot at AJ in America during 2019.

So I don’t see any reason why Miller’s handler’s would be willing to risk facing Kubrat Pulev on the Bulgarian’s home turf in order to gain the mandatory challenger position for the IBF strap, since it’s inevitable that he’ll be facing Joshua pretty soon anyway (as per Eddie Hearn’s own words)… and I doubt he’d be interested in received a 25% purse split either.

If we review the other fighters that are ranked below Miller, we’re left with Alexander Povetkin and Hughie Fury.

The Russian is already the mandatory challenger for AJ’s WBA title, so he won’t receive any benefit from facing Kubrat Pulev either.

So it’s pretty likely that we’ll see Kubrat Pulev facing Hughie Fury before the end of the calendar year.

joshj909 · Post by **joshj909** » 19 Jun 2018, 06:31

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 05:32 Whilst I appreciate the fact that the IBF have ordered a bout between Kubrat Pulev and Jarrell Miller, it seems pretty certain that the American is already guaranteed a shot at AJ in America during 2019.

So I don’t see any reason why Miller’s handler’s would be willing to risk facing Kubrat Pulev on the Bulgarian’s home turf in order to gain the mandatory challenger position for the IBF strap, since it’s inevitable that he’ll be facing Joshua pretty soon anyway (as per Eddie Hearn’s own words)… and I doubt he’d be interested in received a 25% purse split either.

If we review the other fighters that are ranked below Miller, we’re left with Alexander Povetkin and Hughie Fury.

The Russian is already the mandatory challenger for AJ’s WBA title, so he won’t receive any benefit from facing Kubrat Pulev either.

So it’s pretty likely that we’ll see Kubrat Pulev facing Hughie Fury before the end of the calendar year.

They might not have the 25% split because they don't have a number one ranked fighter at the moment, therefore should be 50/50.

Also, if i recall correctly, Miller was guaranteed a WBA Regular shot, while Hearn seems to be dangling the carrot of an AJ fight infront of him. A Miller v AJ matchup might not happen for a long time unless he becomes IBF mandatory, which looks like it would happen after the WBA mandatory, or after the Wilder fight(s). I know Hearn wants to match them up but if AJ ends up with all 4 belts then voluntary defences might become a thing of the past for him.

(i'm not saying it definitely will happen, just saying that there's a chance that Miller would get impatient and take it). Should be Hughie's if he declines though, i would also be interested in that fight.

Enlightened-One · Post by **Enlightened-One** » 19 Jun 2018, 06:55

joshj909 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 06:31
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 05:32 Whilst I appreciate the fact that the IBF have ordered a bout between Kubrat Pulev and Jarrell Miller, it seems pretty certain that the American is already guaranteed a shot at AJ in America during 2019.

So I don’t see any reason why Miller’s handler’s would be willing to risk facing Kubrat Pulev on the Bulgarian’s home turf in order to gain the mandatory challenger position for the IBF strap, since it’s inevitable that he’ll be facing Joshua pretty soon anyway (as per Eddie Hearn’s own words)… and I doubt he’d be interested in received a 25% purse split either.

If we review the other fighters that are ranked below Miller, we’re left with Alexander Povetkin and Hughie Fury.

The Russian is already the mandatory challenger for AJ’s WBA title, so he won’t receive any benefit from facing Kubrat Pulev either.

So it’s pretty likely that we’ll see Kubrat Pulev facing Hughie Fury before the end of the calendar year.
They might not have the 25% split because they don't have a number one ranked fighter at the moment, therefore should be 50/50.

Also, if i recall correctly, Miller was guaranteed a WBA Regular shot, while Hearn seems to be dangling the carrot of an AJ fight infront of him. A Miller v AJ matchup might not happen for a long time unless he becomes IBF mandatory, which looks like it would happen after the WBA mandatory, or after the Wilder fight(s). I know Hearn wants to match them up but if AJ ends up with all 4 belts then voluntary defences might become a thing of the past for him.

(i'm not saying it definitely will happen, just saying that there's a chance that Miller would get impatient and take it). Should be Hughie's if he declines though, i would also be interested in that fight.

I could be wrong, but doesn’t the IBF usually reserve the top-spot in their rankings for their mandatory challengers?

So for instance, the IBF’s number one ranking for the heavyweight division is left vacant, since there isn’t a mandatory challenger yet.

I believe the same rule applies to the IBF’s cruiserweight, light heavyweight, super-middleweight, welterweight, super lightweight, super featherweight, bantamweight, flyweight and minimum-weight divisions. None of those weight classes have a number one IBF ranked title challenger.

Also, when Pulev’s representatives won the IBF’s purse bid, Dillian Whyte was only entitled to 25% split, with the Bulgarian earning 75%. I don’t see why the IBF’s rules would change for a possible purse bid between Miller and Pulev. Kubrat is ranked higher and is likely to be entitled to a bigger purse split... the same percentage that Whyte was allowed.

joshj909 · Post by **joshj909** » 19 Jun 2018, 07:27

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 06:55 I could be wrong, but doesn’t the IBF usually reserve the top-spot in their rankings for their mandatory challengers?

So for instance, the IBF’s number one ranking for the heavyweight division is left vacant, since there isn’t a mandatory challenger yet.

I believe the same rule applies to the IBF’s cruiserweight, light heavyweight, super-middleweight, welterweight, super lightweight, super featherweight, bantamweight, flyweight and minimum-weight divisions. None of those weight classes have a number one IBF ranked title challenger.

Also, when Pulev’s representatives won the IBF’s purse bid, Dillian Whyte was only entitled to 25% split, with the Bulgarian earning 75%. I don’t see why the IBF’s rules would change for a possible purse bid between Miller and Pulev. Kubrat is ranked higher and is likely to be entitled to a bigger purse split... the same percentage that Whyte was allowed.

The IBF eliminator rules are:
#1 v #2 = 50/50
#1 or #2 v any other boxer 75/25
#3 or below v #3 or below 60/60

I think, when the Whyte v Pulev fight was called it was 1. Vacant 2. Pulev 3. Miller 4. Whyte. Now it's 1. vacant 2. Pulev 3. Miller.

I'm not sure whether they count Pulev as #1 in regards to these purse splits though.

Enlightened-One · Post by **Enlightened-One** » 19 Jun 2018, 07:35

joshj909 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 07:27
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 06:55 I could be wrong, but doesn’t the IBF usually reserve the top-spot in their rankings for their mandatory challengers?

So for instance, the IBF’s number one ranking for the heavyweight division is left vacant, since there isn’t a mandatory challenger yet.

I believe the same rule applies to the IBF’s cruiserweight, light heavyweight, super-middleweight, welterweight, super lightweight, super featherweight, bantamweight, flyweight and minimum-weight divisions. None of those weight classes have a number one IBF ranked title challenger.

Also, when Pulev’s representatives won the IBF’s purse bid, Dillian Whyte was only entitled to 25% split, with the Bulgarian earning 75%. I don’t see why the IBF’s rules would change for a possible purse bid between Miller and Pulev. Kubrat is ranked higher and is likely to be entitled to a bigger purse split... the same percentage that Whyte was allowed.
The IBF eliminator rules are:
#1 v #2 = 50/50
#1 or #2 v any other boxer 75/25
#3 or below v #3 or below 60/60

I think, when the Whyte v Pulev fight was called it was 1. Vacant 2. Pulev 3. Miller 4. Whyte. Now it's 1. vacant 2. Pulev 3. Miller.

I'm not sure whether they count Pulev as #1 in regards to these purse splits though.

Kubrat Pulev is ranked 2nd by the IBF.

Jarrell Miller is currently ranked 3rd by the IBF.

When the Pulev-Whyte purse bid was announced by the IBF, the Brit was rated 4th (behind Breazeale, I think, but he was definitely rated fourth).

So according to the rules you’ve quoted, Miller would only be entitled to a 25% split of the total winning purse bid, which is the same percentage that the IBF stated that Dillian Whyte would receive.

joshj909 · Post by **joshj909** » 19 Jun 2018, 07:39

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 07:35 Kubrat Pulev is ranked 2nd by the IBF.

Jarrell Miller is currently ranked 3rd by the IBF.

When the Pulev-Whyte purse bid was announced by the IBF, the Brit was rated 4th (behind Breazeale, I think, but he was definitely rated fourth).

So according to the rules you’ve quoted, Miller would only be entitled to a 25% split of the total winning purse bid, which is the same percentage that the IBF stated that Dillian Whyte would receive.

I understand that, i was just a little sceptical of how it works. I thought that perhaps through this system it might different because if number 1 is reserved for mandatory challengers, why would number 1 face number 2 in an eliminator if they are already mandatory? if i'm wrong then i'm wrong, and Miller would no doubt turn down the 25%.

Enlightened-One · Post by **Enlightened-One** » 19 Jun 2018, 07:41

joshj909 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 07:39
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 07:35 Kubrat Pulev is ranked 2nd by the IBF.

Jarrell Miller is currently ranked 3rd by the IBF.

When the Pulev-Whyte purse bid was announced by the IBF, the Brit was rated 4th (behind Breazeale, I think, but he was definitely rated fourth).

So according to the rules you’ve quoted, Miller would only be entitled to a 25% split of the total winning purse bid, which is the same percentage that the IBF stated that Dillian Whyte would receive.
I understand that, i was just a little sceptical of how it works. I thought that perhaps through this system it might different because if number 1 is reserved for mandatory challengers, why would number 1 face number 2 in an eliminator if they are already mandatory? if i'm wrong then i'm wrong, and Miller would no doubt turn down the 25%.

I'm not sure. Could it be to determine the interim champion or the vacant championship if the titleholder cannot fight for one reason or another (either engaged in a unification bout, injured or retired etc.)?

Anyway, here's a quote from the official IBF rules, which justified my belief that Miller would only be paid 25% of the winning purse bid total:

Purse Bid

The two highest ranked available contenders in an eliminator and those contenders ordered to participate in a box off have the obligation to proceed to a purse bid if so ordered by the President.

75% to boxer #1 or #2 and 25% to other contestant

joshj909 · Post by **joshj909** » 19 Jun 2018, 08:04

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 07:41
joshj909 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 07:39
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 07:35 Kubrat Pulev is ranked 2nd by the IBF.

Jarrell Miller is currently ranked 3rd by the IBF.

When the Pulev-Whyte purse bid was announced by the IBF, the Brit was rated 4th (behind Breazeale, I think, but he was definitely rated fourth).

So according to the rules you’ve quoted, Miller would only be entitled to a 25% split of the total winning purse bid, which is the same percentage that the IBF stated that Dillian Whyte would receive.
I understand that, i was just a little sceptical of how it works. I thought that perhaps through this system it might different because if number 1 is reserved for mandatory challengers, why would number 1 face number 2 in an eliminator if they are already mandatory? if i'm wrong then i'm wrong, and Miller would no doubt turn down the 25%.
I'm not sure. Could it be to determine the interim champion or the vacant championship if the titleholder cannot fight for one reason or another (either engaged in a unification bout, injured or retired etc.)?

Anyway, here's a quote from the official IBF rules, which justified my belief that Miller would only be paid 25% of the winning purse bid total:

Purse Bid

The two highest ranked available contenders in an eliminator and those contenders ordered to participate in a box off have the obligation to proceed to a purse bid if so ordered by the President.

75% to boxer #1 or #2 and 25% to other contestant

hmm, i guess we'll find out when it's agreed or Miller makes a scene on twitter.

joshj909 · Post by **joshj909** » 25 Jun 2018, 15:13

http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-40022419-4

Promoter Epic Sports & Entertainment won an IBF purse bid Monday at the sanctioning body offices in Springfield, New Jersey, for the heavyweight world title elimination fight between former title challenger Kubrat Pulev (25-1, 13 KOs), 37, of Bulgaria, and Jarrell “Big Baby” Miller (21-0-1, 18 KOs), 29, of Brooklyn, New York, for the right to become one of Anthony Joshua’s mandatories. Epic Sports, which does not promote either fighter, bid a whopping $2,111,111 to beat the only other bidder, Team Sauerland, which bid $1,000,010. Team Sauerland promotes Pulev but they are on the outs and Pulev’s contract is soon to expire. Epic Sports previously won a purse bid for the Pulev-Dillian Whyte eliminator but Whyte opted to take a fight with Joseph Parker instead. Miller was next in line but whether Miller, who is entitled to 25 percent of the bid (a career-high $527,777.75), will go forward with the bout remains to be seen, especially since Epic Sports has designs on putting the fight in Bulgaria.

Will Miller back out? the fact that his team didn't bid says they're not interested but am i right in thinking he doesn't officially have a promotion other than himself? will he be swayed by the half a million?

(Also clears up our discussion on how much he's entitled to)

Heretic · Post by **Heretic** » 26 Jun 2018, 09:02

I hope this fight happens. Both guys have chance to win it. Purse sounds good too. Winner will go for mega payday against Joshua. What is there not to like here?

Enlightened-One · Post by **Enlightened-One** » 26 Jun 2018, 11:25

Jarrell “Big Baby” Miller is already affiliated with the same promoter as Anthony Joshua (Eddie Hearn) and will likely receive far more than $528K for facing the Brit. Especially considering the American has already been lined up as AJ’s opponent for his US debut and also because I doubt Matchroom will allow him to fight on a rival promotion.

Unless Eddie Hearn is supremely confident about either: obtaining a licence for broadcasting the Pulev-Miller bout from Epic Sports for a price that still allows Matchroom to generate a profit; or if he feels that Big Baby's victory is almost guaranteed - then I doubt this fight happens.

I hope I'm wrong though, because I feel that a bout between Miller and Pulev will be pretty decent.