Lewis or Wlad, who was better?

[Tuan_Jim]

Let's do the math:

Wladimir Klitschko = dominated the heavyweight division by remaining the number 1 heavyweight in the world for 10 years and had over 20 title defences.

Lennox Lewis = dominated the heavyweight division by remaining the number 1 heavyweight in the world for less than 10 years and had less than 20 title defences.

It's pretty simple! Wladimir Klitschko had the far superior boxing career. His heavyweight record is mathematically superior without any doubt.

As for Vitali Klitschko being better than Wladimir Klitschko. Lol. Vitali wasn't even better than Kubrat Pulev skill wise. And Vitali doesn't even have a better heavyweight record / resume than Wlad's leftover in Alexander Povetkin. That's just a fact! Vitali doesn't even compare to Wladimir Klitschko in terms of boxing accomplishments

A 38 year old Wladimir Klitschko cleanly KO'ed a prime Kubrat Pulev without needing any nonsensical referee stoppage. Whilst at the same age, Lewis needed the referee to gift him the victory against Vitali Klitschko because he was unable to win, purely on his own and retired like a coward by not giving Vitali the well deserved rematch that he earned. Wlad had the courage to continue fighting and proving himself, at a far older age.

There isn't any comparison! Lewis has no standout wins either. He beat no opponent that someone else also didn't beat, or didn't beat more convincingly / as convincingly. Whilst Wladimir Klitschko beat many opponents that only he beat, or beat most convincingly. E.G. Alexander Povetkin, Kubrat Pulev, Sultan Ibragimov and Eddie Chambers.

There's no logical way one could infer that Lewis was better. Not only was Wlad better, but he was better by a significant margin. Just a far superior athlete and technician overall.

Numbers don't account for quality. Buy a dictionary and look up the word 'context'. Dummy.

[Tuan_Jim]

Vitali? Come on, he was way better than both Wlad and Lewis. He retired 46-2 with being the WBO champ, and, twice, the WBC champ. He was ahead on all 3 scorecards against Lewis when the fight was stopped. In his entire pro boxing career, the former kickboxer was never knocked down, he NEVER even touched the floor. Vitali was a beast!

Nor was he ever cut in his entire boxing and kickboxing career - except when dirty fighting Lennox Lewis ran the lacing of his glove along his face to cut him and then spent the entire remainder of the fight trying to open up the cut by rubbing his hair into it. Lewis should gave been dq'd. Also Vitali has an even higher KO percentage than his brother, and he was gyped out of at least one more KO when Briggs' corner didn't throw in the towel (that corner and the ref should have been charged with attempted homicide or something, and Briggs personality was tofally changed by that awful beating).

Why would Vitali need Briggs' corner to throw in the towel? If Vitali could punch he would have knocked out a 40 year old, injured, glass chinned Shannon Briggs.

No surprise the only two retards in the thread siding with the Klitschkos keep having to cite stats (which they don't understand) and can't discuss actual boxing detail.

[ewenhay]

Lewis by a country mile. It would have been like the Michael Grant fight all over again

LOL

Wladimir Klitschko is about 10000 times better than Michael Grant.

Styles make fights. Lewis takes out a big guy with a dodgy chin easily in my opinion.

[Loki]

This thread is pointless. Vitali and Wlad were a different era than Lewis. He was almost done when he fought Vitali and would’ve lost the rematch.

In terms of careers: Lewis, Wlad then Vitali. In terms of records: Wlad, Lewis then Vitali. In terms of prime v prime and on the night: Vitali, Lewis then Wlad.

[IKSRTFO]

Vitali? Come on, he was way better than both Wlad and Lewis. He retired 46-2 with being the WBO champ, and, twice, the WBC champ. He was ahead on all 3 scorecards against Lewis when the fight was stopped. In his entire pro boxing career, the former kickboxer was never knocked down, he NEVER even touched the floor. Vitali was a beast!

Nor was he ever cut in his entire boxing and kickboxing career - except when dirty fighting Lennox Lewis ran the lacing of his glove along his face to cut him and then spent the entire remainder of the fight trying to open up the cut by rubbing his hair into it. Lewis should gave been dq'd. Also Vitali has an even higher KO percentage than his brother, and he was gyped out of at least one more KO when Briggs' corner didn't throw in the towel (that corner and the ref should have been charged with attempted homicide or something, and Briggs personality was tofally changed by that awful beating).

Why would Vitali need Briggs' corner to throw in the towel? If Vitali could punch he would have knocked out a 40 year old, injured, glass chinned Shannon Briggs.

No surprise the only two retards in the thread siding with the Klitschkos keep having to cite stats (which they don't understand) and can't discuss actual boxing detail.

Its forgotten that Lewis flattened a young prime Briggs.

[jamesmcdonnell]

This thread is pointless. Vitali and Wlad were a different era than Lewis. He was almost done when he fought Vitali and would’ve lost the rematch.

In terms of careers: Lewis, Wlad then Vitali. In terms of records: Wlad, Lewis then Vitali. In terms of prime v prime and on the night: Vitali, Lewis then Wlad.

Hang on, Vitali couldn't beat Lewis when he was in his prime, and Lewis was at the end of his career, and you think that he would have beaten Lewis in his prime - odd logic.

[Loki]

This thread is pointless. Vitali and Wlad were a different era than Lewis. He was almost done when he fought Vitali and would’ve lost the rematch.

In terms of careers: Lewis, Wlad then Vitali. In terms of records: Wlad, Lewis then Vitali. In terms of prime v prime and on the night: Vitali, Lewis then Wlad.

Hang on, Vitali couldn't beat Lewis when he was in his prime, and Lewis was at the end of his career, and you think that he would have beaten Lewis in his prime - odd logic.

Nope. Vitali wasn’t in his prime. He was early thirties and both Klitschko were better at around 36. Remember Vitali was out for 4 years.

[jamesmcdonnell]

This thread is pointless. Vitali and Wlad were a different era than Lewis. He was almost done when he fought Vitali and would’ve lost the rematch.

In terms of careers: Lewis, Wlad then Vitali. In terms of records: Wlad, Lewis then Vitali. In terms of prime v prime and on the night: Vitali, Lewis then Wlad.

Hang on, Vitali couldn't beat Lewis when he was in his prime, and Lewis was at the end of his career, and you think that he would have beaten Lewis in his prime - odd logic.

Nope. Vitali wasn’t in his prime. He was early thirties and both Klitschko were better at around 36. Remember Vitali was out for 4 years.

Hilarious.

[HeavyHitters]

This thread is pointless. Vitali and Wlad were a different era than Lewis. He was almost done when he fought Vitali and would’ve lost the rematch.

In terms of careers: Lewis, Wlad then Vitali. In terms of records: Wlad, Lewis then Vitali. In terms of prime v prime and on the night: Vitali, Lewis then Wlad.

Very good assessment, I can agree to that.

[HeavyHitters]

Ok, lets go to the stats here:

June 21st, 2003, Staples Center, Los Angeles, California

Vitali Klitschko ( 32-1-0 / 31 KO's )6' 7", 248 lbs, ( Age: 31, about one month shy of 32 )

Lennox Lewis ( 40-2-1 / 31 KO's )6' 5", 256.5 lbs, ( Age: 37, 6 days shy of 38 )

Vitali cut, and doctor stops fight for a TKO victory for Lewis.

Before the stoppage, Vitali was ahead on all score cards by 2 points, 58-56.

Judges ringside:

James Jen Kin 58-56 Vitali
Tom Kaczmarek 58-56 Vitali
Pat Russell 58-56 Vitali

Plus: Vitali was coming on stronger as the fight progressed.
Last fight for Lewis, announcing his retirement after his fight with Vitali.
Vitali went on to fight for another 9 plus years, going 13-0-0 with 9 KO's in the process.

[jamamb]

vitali wasnt coming on stronger at all

[bigjack]

vitali wasnt coming on stronger at all

No,it was the other way round,Lewis was coming on strong.

[Luis Fernando12]

Let's do the math:

Wladimir Klitschko = dominated the heavyweight division by remaining the number 1 heavyweight in the world for 10 years and had over 20 title defences.

Lennox Lewis = dominated the heavyweight division by remaining the number 1 heavyweight in the world for less than 10 years and had less than 20 title defences.

It's pretty simple! Wladimir Klitschko had the far superior boxing career. His heavyweight record is mathematically superior without any doubt.

As for Vitali Klitschko being better than Wladimir Klitschko. Lol. Vitali wasn't even better than Kubrat Pulev skill wise. And Vitali doesn't even have a better heavyweight record / resume than Wlad's leftover in Alexander Povetkin. That's just a fact! Vitali doesn't even compare to Wladimir Klitschko in terms of boxing accomplishments

A 38 year old Wladimir Klitschko cleanly KO'ed a prime Kubrat Pulev without needing any nonsensical referee stoppage. Whilst at the same age, Lewis needed the referee to gift him the victory against Vitali Klitschko because he was unable to win, purely on his own and retired like a coward by not giving Vitali the well deserved rematch that he earned. Wlad had the courage to continue fighting and proving himself, at a far older age.

There isn't any comparison! Lewis has no standout wins either. He beat no opponent that someone else also didn't beat, or didn't beat more convincingly / as convincingly. Whilst Wladimir Klitschko beat many opponents that only he beat, or beat most convincingly. E.G. Alexander Povetkin, Kubrat Pulev, Sultan Ibragimov and Eddie Chambers.

There's no logical way one could infer that Lewis was better. Not only was Wlad better, but he was better by a significant margin. Just a far superior athlete and technician overall.

He also fought in a much weaker era than Lewis did. The same old Tyson, the way he came out in the first round against Lewis likely would've caught Wladmir.

That's literally just your opinion and not a fact! What's not an opinion but a fact, is that Wladimir Klitschko dominated and remained THE number 1 heavyweight in the world for a decade during a time when there were over 4 billion people in the world. Therefore, Wladimir Klitschko > Lennox Lewis for dominating for a longer amount of time.

[bigjack]

Let's do the math:

Wladimir Klitschko = dominated the heavyweight division by remaining the number 1 heavyweight in the world for 10 years and had over 20 title defences.

Lennox Lewis = dominated the heavyweight division by remaining the number 1 heavyweight in the world for less than 10 years and had less than 20 title defences.

It's pretty simple! Wladimir Klitschko had the far superior boxing career. His heavyweight record is mathematically superior without any doubt.

As for Vitali Klitschko being better than Wladimir Klitschko. Lol. Vitali wasn't even better than Kubrat Pulev skill wise. And Vitali doesn't even have a better heavyweight record / resume than Wlad's leftover in Alexander Povetkin. That's just a fact! Vitali doesn't even compare to Wladimir Klitschko in terms of boxing accomplishments

A 38 year old Wladimir Klitschko cleanly KO'ed a prime Kubrat Pulev without needing any nonsensical referee stoppage. Whilst at the same age, Lewis needed the referee to gift him the victory against Vitali Klitschko because he was unable to win, purely on his own and retired like a coward by not giving Vitali the well deserved rematch that he earned. Wlad had the courage to continue fighting and proving himself, at a far older age.

There isn't any comparison! Lewis has no standout wins either. He beat no opponent that someone else also didn't beat, or didn't beat more convincingly / as convincingly. Whilst Wladimir Klitschko beat many opponents that only he beat, or beat most convincingly. E.G. Alexander Povetkin, Kubrat Pulev, Sultan Ibragimov and Eddie Chambers.

There's no logical way one could infer that Lewis was better. Not only was Wlad better, but he was better by a significant margin. Just a far superior athlete and technician overall.

Yes i vividly remember Pulev ripping through all the top contenders,leaving a trail of destruction in his path,very reminiscent of a young Mike Tyson,come on,when was Pulev ever prime Ibragimov,Chambers and Pulev ,a real who's who of living legends there,also lewis fought Vitali at short notice,COWARD ?,what a joke

[Luis Fernando12]

Let's do the math:

Wladimir Klitschko = dominated the heavyweight division by remaining the number 1 heavyweight in the world for 10 years and had over 20 title defences.

Lennox Lewis = dominated the heavyweight division by remaining the number 1 heavyweight in the world for less than 10 years and had less than 20 title defences.

It's pretty simple! Wladimir Klitschko had the far superior boxing career. His heavyweight record is mathematically superior without any doubt.

As for Vitali Klitschko being better than Wladimir Klitschko. Lol. Vitali wasn't even better than Kubrat Pulev skill wise. And Vitali doesn't even have a better heavyweight record / resume than Wlad's leftover in Alexander Povetkin. That's just a fact! Vitali doesn't even compare to Wladimir Klitschko in terms of boxing accomplishments

A 38 year old Wladimir Klitschko cleanly KO'ed a prime Kubrat Pulev without needing any nonsensical referee stoppage. Whilst at the same age, Lewis needed the referee to gift him the victory against Vitali Klitschko because he was unable to win, purely on his own and retired like a coward by not giving Vitali the well deserved rematch that he earned. Wlad had the courage to continue fighting and proving himself, at a far older age.

There isn't any comparison! Lewis has no standout wins either. He beat no opponent that someone else also didn't beat, or didn't beat more convincingly / as convincingly. Whilst Wladimir Klitschko beat many opponents that only he beat, or beat most convincingly. E.G. Alexander Povetkin, Kubrat Pulev, Sultan Ibragimov and Eddie Chambers.

There's no logical way one could infer that Lewis was better. Not only was Wlad better, but he was better by a significant margin. Just a far superior athlete and technician overall.

Numbers don't account for quality. Buy a dictionary and look up the word 'context'. Dummy.

Yes, they do if looked at holistically. What accounts for quality then, if not numbers? Your fanatical opinion? Or the fanatical opinions of others? Or nostalgic opinions of others? I'm sorry, but I choose to stick to ACTUAL facts, rather than baseless, unfounded and unsupported speculations.

Vitali? Come on, he was way better than both Wlad and Lewis. He retired 46-2 with being the WBO champ, and, twice, the WBC champ. He was ahead on all 3 scorecards against Lewis when the fight was stopped. In his entire pro boxing career, the former kickboxer was never knocked down, he NEVER even touched the floor. Vitali was a beast!

Nor was he ever cut in his entire boxing and kickboxing career - except when dirty fighting Lennox Lewis ran the lacing of his glove along his face to cut him and then spent the entire remainder of the fight trying to open up the cut by rubbing his hair into it. Lewis should gave been dq'd. Also Vitali has an even higher KO percentage than his brother, and he was gyped out of at least one more KO when Briggs' corner didn't throw in the towel (that corner and the ref should have been charged with attempted homicide or something, and Briggs personality was tofally changed by that awful beating).

Why would Vitali need Briggs' corner to throw in the towel? If Vitali could punch he would have knocked out a 40 year old, injured, glass chinned Shannon Briggs.

No surprise the only two retards in the thread siding with the Klitschkos keep having to cite stats (which they don't understand) and can't discuss actual boxing detail.

Likewise, why would Lennox Lewis need the referee to stop the fight for him against Vitali Klitschko? Since if he could punch, he would have knocked out a total scrub like Vitali Klitschko who was never a full time boxer to begin with, since he prioritized other professions such as politics and his PHDs over boxing? Since if Lewis could punch, he would've cleanly KO'ed the same Vitali Klitschko who was dropped by a washed up, fat and 40 year old former golfer who was practically close to his deathbed (RIP) when he dropped Vitali Klitschko. The same part time, glass chinned guy in Vitali Klitschko who was put to sleep by Pele Reid that Lewis couldn't even drop in 6 rounds after landing multiple of his best / most powerful punches flush.

In other words, you could argue that Lewis's inability to literally drop a total scrub and part time boxer like Vitali Klitschko down to the canvas for the 10 count proves how lacking Lewis's power is.

Yet, this same Lewis landed everything but the kitchen sink on a bum named Levi Billups continuously with maximum power. This bum has double digit losses / more than 25% losses out of his career win/loss record. This bum has also been knocked out close to 10 times in his career. Only Lewis couldn't KO this bum, out of all other top heavyweights / power punchers Billups faced. Yet, this part time boxer and scrub in Vitali Klitschko put the same bum in Billups to sleep in 3 rounds, despite Lewis failing to do so over 10 rounds.

So I can also use this type of reasoning too.

[Luis Fernando12]

Let's do the math:

Wladimir Klitschko = dominated the heavyweight division by remaining the number 1 heavyweight in the world for 10 years and had over 20 title defences.

Lennox Lewis = dominated the heavyweight division by remaining the number 1 heavyweight in the world for less than 10 years and had less than 20 title defences.

It's pretty simple! Wladimir Klitschko had the far superior boxing career. His heavyweight record is mathematically superior without any doubt.

As for Vitali Klitschko being better than Wladimir Klitschko. Lol. Vitali wasn't even better than Kubrat Pulev skill wise. And Vitali doesn't even have a better heavyweight record / resume than Wlad's leftover in Alexander Povetkin. That's just a fact! Vitali doesn't even compare to Wladimir Klitschko in terms of boxing accomplishments

A 38 year old Wladimir Klitschko cleanly KO'ed a prime Kubrat Pulev without needing any nonsensical referee stoppage. Whilst at the same age, Lewis needed the referee to gift him the victory against Vitali Klitschko because he was unable to win, purely on his own and retired like a coward by not giving Vitali the well deserved rematch that he earned. Wlad had the courage to continue fighting and proving himself, at a far older age.

There isn't any comparison! Lewis has no standout wins either. He beat no opponent that someone else also didn't beat, or didn't beat more convincingly / as convincingly. Whilst Wladimir Klitschko beat many opponents that only he beat, or beat most convincingly. E.G. Alexander Povetkin, Kubrat Pulev, Sultan Ibragimov and Eddie Chambers.

There's no logical way one could infer that Lewis was better. Not only was Wlad better, but he was better by a significant margin. Just a far superior athlete and technician overall.

Yes i vividly remember Pulev ripping through all the top contenders,leaving a trail of destruction in his path,very reminiscent of a young Mike Tyson,come on,when was Pulev ever prime

When did I compare Pulev to Mike Tyson? I'm comparing him to Vitali Klitschko. And I also very vividly remember Vitali Klitschko embarrassingly quitting like a girl against Chris Byrd, Something that has never happened to Kubrat Pulev. Vitali Klitschko is practically on Kubrat Pulev's level. He is no better! Pulev would beat every guy Vitali ever beat!

Wlad cleanly KO'ed his own version of a Vitali Klitschko type opponent by dropping and keeping him down for the 10 count.

Whilst Lewis needed a referee stoppage to be gifted the victory against Vitali Klitshcko, because he was unable to completely finish off / incapacitate Vitali Klitschko the way Wlad did to Pulev.

Wladimir Klitschko would absolutely slaughter VItali Klitschko. Vitali's chin isn't as good as some make out. The reason why Lewis couldn't drop, never mind KO Vitali was more down to how weak hitting and overrating Lewis's punching power is, rather than how great Vitali's chin is. The fact that Vitali was put to sleep by Pele Reid and dropped by an old, fat and washed up Corrie Sanders nearly in his deathbed (RIP), shows that Vitali's chin was never as great as some claim.

[bigjack]

Let's do the math:

Wladimir Klitschko = dominated the heavyweight division by remaining the number 1 heavyweight in the world for 10 years and had over 20 title defences.

Lennox Lewis = dominated the heavyweight division by remaining the number 1 heavyweight in the world for less than 10 years and had less than 20 title defences.

It's pretty simple! Wladimir Klitschko had the far superior boxing career. His heavyweight record is mathematically superior without any doubt.

As for Vitali Klitschko being better than Wladimir Klitschko. Lol. Vitali wasn't even better than Kubrat Pulev skill wise. And Vitali doesn't even have a better heavyweight record / resume than Wlad's leftover in Alexander Povetkin. That's just a fact! Vitali doesn't even compare to Wladimir Klitschko in terms of boxing accomplishments

A 38 year old Wladimir Klitschko cleanly KO'ed a prime Kubrat Pulev without needing any nonsensical referee stoppage. Whilst at the same age, Lewis needed the referee to gift him the victory against Vitali Klitschko because he was unable to win, purely on his own and retired like a coward by not giving Vitali the well deserved rematch that he earned. Wlad had the courage to continue fighting and proving himself, at a far older age.

There isn't any comparison! Lewis has no standout wins either. He beat no opponent that someone else also didn't beat, or didn't beat more convincingly / as convincingly. Whilst Wladimir Klitschko beat many opponents that only he beat, or beat most convincingly. E.G. Alexander Povetkin, Kubrat Pulev, Sultan Ibragimov and Eddie Chambers.

There's no logical way one could infer that Lewis was better. Not only was Wlad better, but he was better by a significant margin. Just a far superior athlete and technician overall.

Yes i vividly remember Pulev ripping through all the top contenders,leaving a trail of destruction in his path,very reminiscent of a young Mike Tyson,come on,when was Pulev ever prime

When did I compare Pulev to Mike Tyson? I'm comparing him to Vitali Klitschko. And I also very vividly remember Vitali Klitschko embarrassingly quitting like a girl against Chris Byrd, Something that has never happened to Kubrat Pulev. Vitali Klitschko is practically on Kubrat Pulev's level. He is no better! Pulev would beat every guy Vitali ever beat!

You didn't,but mentioning Pulev's prime made me laugh,he's awful

[Luis Fernando12]

Mike Tyson in his prime was nearly put to sleep by a feather fisted Buster Douglas. Whilst Kubrat Pulev has never suffered such a fate against such a low level of opponent and would arguably beat every opponent Tyson ever beat. Tyson is grossly overrated in these boards!

[bigjack]

Mike Tyson in his prime was nearly put to sleep by a feather fisted Buster Douglas. Whilst Kubrat Pulev has never suffered such a fate against such a low level of opponent and would arguably beat every opponent Tyson ever beat. Tyson is grossly overrated in these boards!

I agree,all i'm saying is Pulev is awful and his prime must have passed me by because i don't recall it.

[ElJefe]

Lewis was better than Wlad. The 'weakness' of his chin is overstated. He took plenty of good punches without going down.

As for Wlad/Vitali - Wlad was better, more skilled, quicker, better defensively, bigger one punch power imo and had a greater career. Despite that, I'd probably back Vitali to beat Wlad due to his toughness. I don't believe that Wlad could have taken Vitali's best like Lewis did and still been in his face. Vitali had a great chin so I'd back him to take Wlad's best shots and wear him down for a late stoppage. Considering the length of Vitali's career, though, his achievements are underwhelming and don't stack up to that of his younger brother.

[Tuan_Jim]

Let's do the math:

Wladimir Klitschko = dominated the heavyweight division by remaining the number 1 heavyweight in the world for 10 years and had over 20 title defences.

Lennox Lewis = dominated the heavyweight division by remaining the number 1 heavyweight in the world for less than 10 years and had less than 20 title defences.

It's pretty simple! Wladimir Klitschko had the far superior boxing career. His heavyweight record is mathematically superior without any doubt.

As for Vitali Klitschko being better than Wladimir Klitschko. Lol. Vitali wasn't even better than Kubrat Pulev skill wise. And Vitali doesn't even have a better heavyweight record / resume than Wlad's leftover in Alexander Povetkin. That's just a fact! Vitali doesn't even compare to Wladimir Klitschko in terms of boxing accomplishments

A 38 year old Wladimir Klitschko cleanly KO'ed a prime Kubrat Pulev without needing any nonsensical referee stoppage. Whilst at the same age, Lewis needed the referee to gift him the victory against Vitali Klitschko because he was unable to win, purely on his own and retired like a coward by not giving Vitali the well deserved rematch that he earned. Wlad had the courage to continue fighting and proving himself, at a far older age.

There isn't any comparison! Lewis has no standout wins either. He beat no opponent that someone else also didn't beat, or didn't beat more convincingly / as convincingly. Whilst Wladimir Klitschko beat many opponents that only he beat, or beat most convincingly. E.G. Alexander Povetkin, Kubrat Pulev, Sultan Ibragimov and Eddie Chambers.

There's no logical way one could infer that Lewis was better. Not only was Wlad better, but he was better by a significant margin. Just a far superior athlete and technician overall.

Numbers don't account for quality. Buy a dictionary and look up the word 'context'. Dummy.

Yes, they do if looked at holistically. What accounts for quality then, if not numbers? Your fanatical opinion? Or the fanatical opinions of others? Or nostalgic opinions of others? I'm sorry, but I choose to stick to ACTUAL facts, rather than baseless, unfounded and unsupported speculations.

Nor was he ever cut in his entire boxing and kickboxing career - except when dirty fighting Lennox Lewis ran the lacing of his glove along his face to cut him and then spent the entire remainder of the fight trying to open up the cut by rubbing his hair into it. Lewis should gave been dq'd. Also Vitali has an even higher KO percentage than his brother, and he was gyped out of at least one more KO when Briggs' corner didn't throw in the towel (that corner and the ref should have been charged with attempted homicide or something, and Briggs personality was tofally changed by that awful beating).

Why would Vitali need Briggs' corner to throw in the towel? If Vitali could punch he would have knocked out a 40 year old, injured, glass chinned Shannon Briggs.

No surprise the only two retards in the thread siding with the Klitschkos keep having to cite stats (which they don't understand) and can't discuss actual boxing detail.

Likewise, why would Lennox Lewis need the referee to stop the fight for him against Vitali Klitschko? Since if he could punch, he would have knocked out a total scrub like Vitali Klitschko who was never a full time boxer to begin with, since he prioritized other professions such as politics and his PHDs over boxing? Since if Lewis could punch, he would've cleanly KO'ed the same Vitali Klitschko who was dropped by a washed up, fat and 40 year old former golfer who was practically close to his deathbed (RIP) when he dropped Vitali Klitschko. The same part time, glass chinned guy in Vitali Klitschko who was put to sleep by Pele Reid that Lewis couldn't even drop in 6 rounds after landing multiple of his best / most powerful punches flush.

In other words, you could argue that Lewis's inability to literally drop a total scrub and part time boxer like Vitali Klitschko down to the canvas for the 10 count proves how lacking Lewis's power is.

Yet, this same Lewis landed everything but the kitchen sink on a bum named Levi Billups continuously with maximum power. This bum has double digit losses / more than 25% losses out of his career win/loss record. This bum has also been knocked out close to 10 times in his career. Only Lewis couldn't KO this bum, out of all other top heavyweights / power punchers Billups faced. Yet, this part time boxer and scrub in Vitali Klitschko put the same bum in Billups to sleep in 3 rounds, despite Lewis failing to do so over 10 rounds.

So I can also use this type of reasoning too.

Trust me, you can't

Also, did you learn English in an Indian call centre?

[Luis Fernando12]

Mike Tyson in his prime was nearly put to sleep by a feather fisted Buster Douglas. Whilst Kubrat Pulev has never suffered such a fate against such a low level of opponent and would arguably beat every opponent Tyson ever beat. Tyson is grossly overrated in these boards!

I agree,all i'm saying is Pulev is awful and his prime must have passed me by because i don't recall it.

Well in that case, Pulev is just as 'awful' as Vitali Klitschko then. Since both are practically on the same level as boxers.

[Luis Fernando12]

Numbers don't account for quality. Buy a dictionary and look up the word 'context'. Dummy.

Yes, they do if looked at holistically. What accounts for quality then, if not numbers? Your fanatical opinion? Or the fanatical opinions of others? Or nostalgic opinions of others? I'm sorry, but I choose to stick to ACTUAL facts, rather than baseless, unfounded and unsupported speculations.

Why would Vitali need Briggs' corner to throw in the towel? If Vitali could punch he would have knocked out a 40 year old, injured, glass chinned Shannon Briggs.

No surprise the only two retards in the thread siding with the Klitschkos keep having to cite stats (which they don't understand) and can't discuss actual boxing detail.

Likewise, why would Lennox Lewis need the referee to stop the fight for him against Vitali Klitschko? Since if he could punch, he would have knocked out a total scrub like Vitali Klitschko who was never a full time boxer to begin with, since he prioritized other professions such as politics and his PHDs over boxing? Since if Lewis could punch, he would've cleanly KO'ed the same Vitali Klitschko who was dropped by a washed up, fat and 40 year old former golfer who was practically close to his deathbed (RIP) when he dropped Vitali Klitschko. The same part time, glass chinned guy in Vitali Klitschko who was put to sleep by Pele Reid that Lewis couldn't even drop in 6 rounds after landing multiple of his best / most powerful punches flush.

In other words, you could argue that Lewis's inability to literally drop a total scrub and part time boxer like Vitali Klitschko down to the canvas for the 10 count proves how lacking Lewis's power is.

Yet, this same Lewis landed everything but the kitchen sink on a bum named Levi Billups continuously with maximum power. This bum has double digit losses / more than 25% losses out of his career win/loss record. This bum has also been knocked out close to 10 times in his career. Only Lewis couldn't KO this bum, out of all other top heavyweights / power punchers Billups faced. Yet, this part time boxer and scrub in Vitali Klitschko put the same bum in Billups to sleep in 3 rounds, despite Lewis failing to do so over 10 rounds.

So I can also use this type of reasoning too.

Trust me, you can't

Also, did you learn English in an Indian call centre?

That's an Ad Hominem attack / fallacy! My personal details have absolutely no relevance to the arguments / points being discussed in this thread.

Take some logic courses!

[Ilya Muromets]

exactly,and i didn't need to think about adding fool at the end,i've read this crap about Lewis cheating many times by the same clown

I don't recall talking about Lewis on here before, but if did it just shows that you are slow to learn. From now on when you see me writing anything here i want you to take notes and then go home and memorize it.

What,you've never mentioned him cheating against Vitali,maybe you've had too many beatings too ?

Not really. The only fights ive ever lost was when i knocked a guy out and the poor guy had to go to the hospital with a concussion, but as he fell he grabbed my legs and tripped me up and landed on top of me and the stupid ref said i hit the ground first or under him or something and lost which was very stupid imho. It was some kind of different rules in ____. The other was when i was a kid and fought two kids at the same time and the big guy wound up sitting on top of me and pushing on my nose so i thought it would break and i gave up. I couldnt quite figure out how to get out from under when when i was a kid and a bigger kid was sitting on top of me. I'm not sure ive ever quite figured that one out.

Watch Lewis vs Vitali in slow motion with the pause button and you'll see what he was doing. A real referee would have dq'd him. It's also odd that some of his oponents were drugged - Golota, Tyson...

[Boxing Writer]

I don't recall talking about Lewis on here before, but if did it just shows that you are slow to learn. From now on when you see me writing anything here i want you to take notes and then go home and memorize it.

What,you've never mentioned him cheating against Vitali,maybe you've had too many beatings too ?

Not really. The only fights ive ever lost was when i knocked a guy out and the poor guy had to go to the hospital with a concussion, but as he fell he grabbed my legs and tripped me up and landed on top of me and the stupid ref said i hit the ground first or under him or something and lost which was very stupid imho. It was some kind of different rules in ____. The other was when i was a kid and fought two kids at the same time and the big guy wound up sitting on top of me and pushing on my nose so i thought it would break and i gave up. I couldnt quite figure out how to get out from under when when i was a kid and a bigger kid was sitting on top of me. I'm not sure ive ever quite figured that one out.

Watch Lewis vs Vitali in slow motion with the pause button and you'll see what he was doing. A real referee would have dq'd him. It's also odd that some of his oponents were drugged - Golota, Tyson...

Golota was drugged, but he was drugged by himself with that lidocaine injection.

Tyson wasn't drugged, he was just beynd shot.