To all the idiots claiming Wilder was given special treatment against Ortiz

[Impractical Poster]

Regardless of the topic at hand, I always get a kick out of the crowd that seemingly believes boxing is above shady and/or illegal behavior. It's both funny and sad at the same time.

But this wasn't the case here. Previous posters have given multiple examples of the same type of situation taking place recently.

It's a bit concerning that there are people still this hung up on it.

[punchoutsb]

Regardless of the topic at hand, I always get a kick out of the crowd that seemingly believes boxing is above shady and/or illegal behavior. It's both funny and sad at the same time.

But this wasn't the case here. Previous posters have given multiple examples of the same type of situation taking place recently.

It's a bit concerning that there are people still this hung up on it.

It was just more of an observation in general. Anytime someone claims shady judges, fixed fight, cover ups, etc they get called conspiracy theorists or idiots. Boxing has got to be one of the most corrupt sports in history, one where shady stuff is going on every single week at virtually every level. While I agree with you in this situation, I think the people quick to call others idiots for suggesting corruption in boxing have got their heads up the clouds so to speak.

[Ilya Muromets]

Regardless of the topic at hand, I always get a kick out of the crowd that seemingly believes boxing is above shady and/or illegal behavior. It's both funny and sad at the same time.

But this wasn't the case here. Previous posters have given multiple examples of the same type of situation taking place recently.

It's a bit concerning that there are people still this hung up on it.

No they didn't. They just said they did. Big difference. Since, according to you, there are "multiple examples of the same type of situation taking place recently", suppose you give me just one.

[candyslim]

My thoughts on the subject for what it's worth:

1. Firstly I had no axe to grind. I had/have a bit of a soft spot for Ortiz, but this was balanced by my thinking that a Wilder win was better for boxing. Basically it was head versus heart and my conflicting biases cancelled out the other. I just wanted to see a good fight that was without controversy.

2. When the ref gave Wilder extra time at the beginning of the round I was outraged.

3. I have since discovered this is standard procedure in NY and have seen the same thing happen in other fights ... or at least one other.

4. I calmed down almost immediately when the action resumed when I saw Luis Ortiz was probably in more need of additional respite than even Wilder was.

5. When the fight ended I had new respect for Deontay Wilder. He showed me this skinny ass Praying Mantis could absorb a good shot without folding, could absorb sustained punishment without folding, and had a champion's heart.

6. I was left wondering whether Ortiz might have lasted longer/been better off, if he hadn't successfully buzzed Deontay and thrown caution to the wind in an effort to finish him (Exactly the opposite of my thinking re Klitschko v Joshua).

7. I was left with the strong impression that Ortiz would have stopped Wilder had the fight happened two years ago.

[jvincent]

5. When the fight ended I had new respect for Deontay Wilder. He showed me this skinny ass Praying Mantis could absorb a good shot without folding, could absorb sustained punishment without folding, and had a champion's heart.

6. I was left wondering whether Ortiz might have lasted longer/been better off, if he hadn't successfully buzzed Deontay and thrown caution to the wind in an effort to finish him (Exactly the opposite of my thinking re Klitschko v Joshua).

7. I was left with the strong impression that Ortiz would have stopped Wilder had the fight happened two years ago.

This is pretty much how it went down for me also including the confusion/outrage at start of the 8th. I’d pretty much stopped bothering watching the guy after the run of Jason gavern, Stiverne then Eric Molina.

[BitPlayer]

Regardless of the topic at hand, I always get a kick out of the crowd that seemingly believes boxing is above shady and/or illegal behavior. It's both funny and sad at the same time.

Just because there is corruption doesn't make people's pet conspiracy theories true.

[BitPlayer]

7. I was left with the strong impression that Ortiz would have stopped Wilder had the fight happened two years ago.

I think that's a legit point. He just couldn't up the pace enough to stop Wilder, probably because of age, Ortiz was better than I had given him credit for. But I think a lot of that is on how he was managed, for someone of that age to waste so much time against the opposition he did was crazy.

[punchoutsb]

Regardless of the topic at hand, I always get a kick out of the crowd that seemingly believes boxing is above shady and/or illegal behavior. It's both funny and sad at the same time.

Just because there is corruption doesn't make people's pet conspiracy theories true.

I never said it did.

[BitPlayer]

Regardless of the topic at hand, I always get a kick out of the crowd that seemingly believes boxing is above shady and/or illegal behavior. It's both funny and sad at the same time.

Just because there is corruption doesn't make people's pet conspiracy theories true.

I never said it did.

I never said you did.

[punchoutsb]

Just because there is corruption doesn't make people's pet conspiracy theories true.

I never said it did.

I never said you did.

[oogiebe]

Geez...talk about re-opening Pandora's Box! Sheees!

[Ilya Muromets]

Regardless of the topic at hand, I always get a kick out of the crowd that seemingly believes boxing is above shady and/or illegal behavior. It's both funny and sad at the same time.

Just because there is corruption doesn't make people's pet conspiracy theories true.

Ha ha this one is into "conspiracy theories". He's an "anti conpiracy theorist", whatever that is. I think what it is is when someone says something that contradicts the Party Line and confuses you, then you say "conspiracy theory!" over and over. It's like a talisman. Really, a lot of people here are too silly to take very seriously.

By the way, they seem to have scoured youtube and the internet of any uncut video of round 8. Someone said that Ortiz has it on his website but i can't find his website. They tried to do the same with the photo of Wilder knocked on his ass by journeyman Sconiers, but i have a bootleg copy. Lots of big money invested in Wilder. They want to cash out vs. Joshua and dont want their product's value diminished.

Also I'm still waiting for just one single example of an incident just like this one that various people here, including Little Miss Conspiracy Theory, have asserted is so common, you know like it happens all the time. Just one will do. Still waiting.

But nope it's a new invention. Hey, gotta protect your investment!

Paulie Malinaggi: " very shady eighth round"....Gee, ya think so?

[thevamp]

Regardless of the topic at hand, I always get a kick out of the crowd that seemingly believes boxing is above shady and/or illegal behavior. It's both funny and sad at the same time.

But this wasn't the case here. Previous posters have given multiple examples of the same type of situation taking place recently.

It's a bit concerning that there are people still this hung up on it.

No they didn't. They just said they did. Big difference. Since, according to you, there are "multiple examples of the same type of situation taking place recently", suppose you give me just one.

Jose Uzcategui vs Andre Dirrell II

[Tony1244]

I just watched an old fight where a fighter was given some time. Cant remember the fight now.

[Ilya Muromets]

Re the two posts above: please see the last sentence in the first paragraph of my post above. Thank you.

[thevamp]

How is one going to find an example of something that happens all the time if its a new rule?

Fact is, it wasn't unprecedented, and happened the same night in a previous fight. No one complains about that one because they stopped it. As they saw he wasn't fit.

The let the Wilder fight go because he was.

[Ilya Muromets]

How is one going to find an example of something that happens all the time if its a new rule?...

Your buddy wrote this not me:


"it happens all the time now, not just in the Wilder fight.
But you want to live in this conspiracy fueled fantasy world....so have at it "

Now go away with your nonsense about Andre Durrell and "previous fights".

[thevamp]

Not my buddy but if you aren't aware of how the NYSAC implies their rules on fights, then i apologize for assuming your were knowledgeable enough on the subject to form a legitimate opinion on it.

[thevamp]

§210.23 Intermission between rounds. There shall be
a 60 second intermission between rounds, unless
otherwise directed or authorized by the commission.
The referee, at the request of the ringside physician,
may extend this intermission, if necessary to examine a
participant, for up to 30 additional seconds.

https://www.dos.ny.gov/athletic/pdfs/20 ... awbook.pdf

[Ilya Muromets]

§210.23 Intermission between rounds. There shall be
a 60 second intermission between rounds, unless
otherwise directed or authorized by the commission.
The referee, at the request of the ringside physician,
may extend this intermission, if necessary to examine a
participant, for up to 30 additional seconds.

https://www.dos.ny.gov/athletic/pdfs/20 ... awbook.pdf

Except that's NOT what happened.

I'd love to present a link to the full uncut video of round 8 but the sons of bitches have censored it from the internet.

[thevamp]

So you're asking others for examples to prove what they say and can't even present an example to prove your on bases?

That's the rules right there, debate the NYSAC on it.

[gilgamesh]

So you're asking others for examples to prove what they say and can't even present an example to prove your on bases?

That's the rules right there, debate the NYSAC on it.

The example was there to be seen the night of the fight. It wasn't that long ago. My memory is sometimes short, but it ain't THAT short.

[Ilya Muromets]

So you're asking others for examples to prove what they say and can't even present an example to prove your on bases?

That's the rules right there, debate the NYSAC on it.

That thing you posted has nothing to do with what happened. I'm asking you and all the other ones here who are so stupid or gullible that they think that what happened in round 8 of the Ortiz-Wilder fight was legit to back up their assertions since they said nothing unusual happened and what happened happens all the time, but of course i see nothing but more bull$hit.

[thevamp]

Let me help you out.



Around the 20:15 sec mark the 8th round starts. Nothing happened. Pretty slow round.
The 9th was even slower until the ending exchange. The fight ended in the 10th.

If you aren't talking about him getting checked out before the 8th starts, which i supplied a link which shows it's part of the NYSAC's rules...

Then what are you talking about?

[Ilya Muromets]

Let me help you out.



Around the 20:15 sec mark the 8th round starts. Nothing happened. ..

Yeah right nothing happened in round 8. Un be f'g lievable. They are trying to rewrite it out of history - and it just happened and these guys on here are also trying to tell me "nothing happened". And I've seen that useless chopped up video before. Most of round eight has been censored out if it!