To all the idiots claiming Wilder was given special treatment against Ortiz

[thevamp]

You win champ.

[Ilya Muromets]

You win champ.

*If* what you are doing is actually admitting that you were wrong that is very commendable and honorable and something you rarely see on forums like this.

What i find most disturbing about this is not the fight itself, because boxing is just a trivial diversion unless you are directly involved, but how easily people are manipulated by the media! The fight only happened three months ago and they have written round eight out of the history books, memory holed it, as they would say in "1984"... and i seem to be the only one who remembers it! Everyone else on here curses at me and says nothing unusual happened in round eight!

Boxing is trivial, but if they can do it with boxing they can do it with important things.

[Thomastearns]

This kind of thing is happening all the time, depending how much clout you have in the media. The Harvey Weinstein case is just a recent example, of course once you lose favour you can be thrown to the dogs.

But it isnt that all that easy to totally airbrush out the 'uncomfortable' details out of (boxing) history yet thanks to the difficulty of controlling the internet. At least in some parts of the world still.

[gilgamesh]

You win champ.

Vamp, The Doctor checked Wilder at the beginning of the 8th round. It took about 20 or 30 seconds, and gave him that much extra time to recover. It was after he had been BADLY hurt at the end of the 7th. I remember it clear as day. Whether a video on the internet shows it or not, it happened. I remember it. It was only a few months ago.

There was no reason why the Doctor couldn't have checked him in the corner in between rounds.

I don't recall any other occasion where a guy was given a "check-up" by a doctor at a crucial time that gave him recovery time like that before.

[thevamp]

You win champ.

Vamp, The Doctor checked Wilder at the beginning of the 8th round. It took about 20 or 30 seconds, and gave him that much extra time to recover. It was after he had been BADLY hurt at the end of the 7th. I remember it clear as day. Whether a video on the internet shows it or not, it happened. I remember it. It was only a few months ago.

There was no reason why the Doctor couldn't have checked him in the corner in between rounds.

I don't recall any other occasion where a guy was given a "check-up" by a doctor at a crucial time that gave him recovery time like that before.

im not denying that happened.

The video i post even shows it.

I posted a link to where the NYSAC has that as a rule.

§210.23 Intermission between rounds. There shall be
a 60 second intermission between rounds, unless
otherwise directed or authorized by the commission.
The referee, at the request of the ringside physician,
may extend this intermission, if necessary to examine a
participant, for up to 30 additional seconds.

https://www.dos.ny.gov/athletic/pdfs/20 ... awbook.pdf

So my argument is, if its a rule, how is it special treatment?

So the argument isn't what happened... it's why... which the answer is there's a rule it can.

i don't see what's the argument anymore.

[gilgamesh]

You win champ.

Vamp, The Doctor checked Wilder at the beginning of the 8th round. It took about 20 or 30 seconds, and gave him that much extra time to recover. It was after he had been BADLY hurt at the end of the 7th. I remember it clear as day. Whether a video on the internet shows it or not, it happened. I remember it. It was only a few months ago.

There was no reason why the Doctor couldn't have checked him in the corner in between rounds.

I don't recall any other occasion where a guy was given a "check-up" by a doctor at a crucial time that gave him recovery time like that before.

im not denying that happened.

The video i post even shows it.

I posted a link to where the NYSAC has that as a rule.

§210.23 Intermission between rounds. There shall be
a 60 second intermission between rounds, unless
otherwise directed or authorized by the commission.
The referee, at the request of the ringside physician,
may extend this intermission, if necessary to examine a
participant, for up to 30 additional seconds.

https://www.dos.ny.gov/athletic/pdfs/20 ... awbook.pdf

So my argument is, if its a rule, how is it special treatment?

So the argument isn't what happened... it's why... which the answer is there's a rule it can.

i don't see what's the argument anymore.

Why didn't they check Luis Ortiz for an extra 30 seconds when he was knocked down earlier in the round? Why did the rule only come into effect to help look after Wilder?

That's a rule that is ripe for abuse frankly, and is essentially a get out of jail free card for them to be able to get away with corruption in the state of New York to protect the promoters boy.

Don't defend something like that.

It's a sh*t rule, and it shouldn't exist.

[thevamp]

No one complained when they checked on Dirrell.

Ortiz got a count and got up and the ref addressed him then... then he finished the round and came out.

Technically, the ref never checked on Wilder to see if he was there because he never went down. So he decided to do what they did for Dirrell.

Why he did it for one and not the other, how many more things are on the refs call... why do they take points from one and not the other... we don't call that special treatment. It's the ref's call... just like stopping the fight.

[gilgamesh]

No one complained when they checked on Dirrell.

Ortiz got a count and got up and the ref addressed him then... then he finished the round and came out.

Technically, the ref never checked on Wilder to see if he was there because he never went down. So he decided to do what they did for Dirrell.

Why he did it for one and not the other, how many more things are on the refs call... why do they take points from one and not the other... we don't call that special treatment. It's the ref's call... just like stopping the fight.

I don't remember what you're talking about with Dirrell, but I'd take an issue with it anytime it happens. You should NEVER be allowed extra recovery time when you're hurt during a round.

NEVER. No exceptions.

If they think they need to halt the action a minute, and check on your condition, then they should stop the fight and you should lose via TKO.

There was a full minute in between rounds to check if Wilder was concussed or whatever...so why didn't they do it then? Because they were buying him extra recovery time...it's plain as day obvious.

I'm not saying he might not have won anyway, but the favoritism being shown to him couldn't have been more obvious.

[gilgamesh]

I guarantee you, you'll never see the Doctor stop the action and check on the condition to allow extra recovery time for the fighter that isn't the Promoters boy.

[thevamp]

In the Dirrell fight, they did the same thing, check on him after the 60 seconds... but they decided to stop the fight.

That's why no one is complaining.

Couldnt find video of the extra time but he's an article.

Uzcategui battered Dirrell for much of the eighth round with little coming back at him. He popped Dirrell with head shots and backed him into the ropes. Dirrell missed with wild punches and ate a left hand in return, and then Uzcategui hammered him with a combination at the end of the round. After extended conversation in Dirrell's corner, the round referee Ricky Gonzalez stopped the fight two seconds into the ninth round and Uzcategui leaped in the air in victory.

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/2 ... orld-title

[gilgamesh]

I was pretty sure Dirrell had quit actually, because that's kinda what he does. When things get tough he wants out.

[thevamp]

I was pretty sure Dirrell had quit actually, because that's kinda what he does. When things get tough he wants out.

That's not what happened.

And that reply compared to how you feel about Wilder getting the Dirrell treatment, shows your disdain for Wilder more so than the rule.

Which is really what this is all about.

[gilgamesh]

I was pretty sure Dirrell had quit actually, because that's kinda what he does. When things get tough he wants out.

That's not what happened.

And that reply compared to how you feel about Wilder getting the Dirrell treatment, shows your disdain for Wilder more so than the rule.

Which is really what this is all about.

No my disdain is definitely for the rule.

I actually gained a good deal of respect for Wilder for being able to bounce back, and get the KO the way he did against Ortiz, but that still doesn't mean he was entitled to extra recovery time.

My dislike of Wilder has gone down significantly since the Ortiz fight.

[thevamp]

He couldnt finish him, or he would have.

I know Wilder detractors want to make it seem like they were robbed out of the opportunity to see him lose. But you're going to have to hitch your wagon to a better excuse.

He had a chance to finish him during the 7th. He couldn't. During the 8th he has just as much time to recover his stamina to put forward another effort and it wasn't there. His chance was over when the 7th round bell sounded.

[gilgamesh]

He couldnt finish him, or he would have.

I know Wilder detractors want to make it seem like they were robbed out of the opportunity to see him lose. But you're going to have to hitch your wagon to a better excuse.

He had a chance to finish him during the 7th. He couldn't. During the 8th he has just as much time to recover his stamina to put forward another effort and it wasn't there. His chance was over when the 7th round bell sounded.

Whether he could've finished him or not isn't the issue. The issue is Wilder or NOBODY should EVER be allowed extra recovery time. EVER

That's all I'm saying here.

[SFW]

He couldnt finish him, or he would have.

I know Wilder detractors want to make it seem like they were robbed out of the opportunity to see him lose. But you're going to have to hitch your wagon to a better excuse.

He had a chance to finish him during the 7th. He couldn't. During the 8th he has just as much time to recover his stamina to put forward another effort and it wasn't there. His chance was over when the 7th round bell sounded.

Exactly right.

[gilgamesh]

He couldnt finish him, or he would have.

I know Wilder detractors want to make it seem like they were robbed out of the opportunity to see him lose. But you're going to have to hitch your wagon to a better excuse.

He had a chance to finish him during the 7th. He couldn't. During the 8th he has just as much time to recover his stamina to put forward another effort and it wasn't there. His chance was over when the 7th round bell sounded.

Exactly right.

Whether his chance was over when the bell sounded or not isn't the issue. The issue is that Wilder or NO fighter should be given extra recovery time during what's supposed to be the round. I don't know what's confusing about this.

[thevamp]

He couldnt finish him, or he would have.

I know Wilder detractors want to make it seem like they were robbed out of the opportunity to see him lose. But you're going to have to hitch your wagon to a better excuse.

He had a chance to finish him during the 7th. He couldn't. During the 8th he has just as much time to recover his stamina to put forward another effort and it wasn't there. His chance was over when the 7th round bell sounded.

Exactly right.

Whether his chance was over when the bell sounded or not isn't the issue. The issue is that Wilder or NO fighter should be given extra recovery time during what's supposed to be the round. I don't know what's confusing about this.

You call it recovery time because he was allowed to continue. It was the Dr checking on him. Same as if he had a cut. That's recovery time as well? Cutting tape from the glove, that's recovery time?

All of this is subjective. He wasn't out... he was okay. Fight continued.

Dirrell couldnt continue... was it recovery time for him?... no, because YOU feel he quit? But he didn't throw the towel in or retire on his stool...

[gilgamesh]

Exactly right.

Whether his chance was over when the bell sounded or not isn't the issue. The issue is that Wilder or NO fighter should be given extra recovery time during what's supposed to be the round. I don't know what's confusing about this.

You call it recovery time because he was allowed to continue. It was the Dr checking on him. Same as if he had a cut. That's recovery time as well? Cutting tape from the glove, that's recovery time?

All of this is subjective. He wasn't out... he was okay. Fight continued.

Dirrell couldnt continue... was it recovery time for him?... no, because YOU feel he quit? But he didn't throw the towel in or retire on his stool...

Sure it was recovery time for him. You decide these things in between rounds. Considering he remained sitting on his stool when the bell rang, that's generally a sign of submission, but I mean that happens sometimes when the corner is making the tough choice about whether or not their fighter continues or not. I generally don't see that kinda thing carry over like that when the guy is going to continue.

I can respect a little craftiness to favor your guy myself, but at least acknowledge it. I guarantee you the same treatment would not have been given to Ortiz if the roles were reversed about who was hurt like that.

Wilder definitely came back with a vengeance from that assault, and got the job done. I admire the fact that he doesn't leave it up to the judges if he can help it. He really goes for it. One way or another, something's gonna happen. So that's admirable and fun about him definitely. I'm definitely excited that after a LONG stretch of soft, and mediocre title defenses this year Wilder is fighting Ortiz, and now AJ...we're seeing what he's really made of now after a long building up process. Great year for Heavyweight Boxing.

[ldlamb]

It is a rule...that’s been shown.

It is common now for doctors to check on fighters after the corner has had their minute with the fighter....that’s been shown.

The video shows the whole thing added maybe 15 seconds.

All of this garbage from x2x and others is just nonsense.

[thevamp]

During the 60 seconds his corner is working on him, is his recovery time.

The rule actually makes sense. Why would the doctor or ref interrupt the fighters actual recovery time, checking on him etc, when his corner are working cuts, swelling, water... massages etc.

After they finish, they then check to see if he's good enough to continue. With Dirrell, even after that, they determined he wasn't and called the fight, saving him for futher damage as his corner were going to still send him out there.

Fighter safety is at the hands of the officials and the doctors.

So they give the fighter time to see if he's better, not right after he's rocked, jump in and stop it in the corner and his team or him havent even gotten the 60 secs to recover. So they check before the round starts... Not giving him time to recover wouldn't be fair.

Now when the ref decides to implement rules is his call. Lets complain about all the other rules too then.