I wonder if Ramirez is gonna get ever matched against solid competition...

[apollo creed]

Is Ramirez a vulnerable fighter and he has been matched very carefully and wait for a big money name like Canelo to move up at 168 and cash out ?

I mean if Roamer Alexis Angulo gave Ramirez a good fight then I don't want to think what guys like Groves, Uzcategui, Benavidez or even Eubank Jr would do to him. A good name that Ramirez would have a chance is DeGale but that because DeGale he has faded as a fighter.

[Ruthless-RKO]

He’s said again, he wants to unify.. but we’re still waiting for him to call out a champion.

Never mind fight another champion.

Most fighters lose respect after they win a world title. You can tell the ones that actually want big fights (Spence for example) and those that do not..

[KiwiRider]

In the press he keeps saying he wants to unify the division. His matchmakers say differently.
They manage to find guys like Roamer, who look OK on paper, but then you find out their record ( and height) have been padded.
That alone rings alarm bells.
Jessie Hart was an "OK" opponent, and Zurdo made a bit of a meal of that one, given his height and reach superiority.
I don't doubt he has the confidence to fight better guys, buy he has not called any of them out, nor has his management team approaches any of them as far as I know.
Make your own conclusions...

[Counter-puncher]

He’s said again, he wants to unify.. but we’re still waiting for him to call out a champion.

Never mind fight another champion.

Most fighters lose respect after they win a world title. You can tell the ones that actually want big fights (Spence for example) and those that do not..

You can tell Spence wants big fights by what he's done since he beat Brook? How?

[RScarf1]

I was at Angulo's fight against Zoltan Papp in 2016. The result was KO in the first round, but I did not see a punch land or thrown that caused a knockout. The person sitting next to me didn't either. Papp was down in a corner of the ring. Papp was sitting on the canvas and briefly looked up, but he didn't look dazed to me.

[ElJefe]

I always feel like Top Rank have smart match makers. Which makes me think that if they've got a guy who isn't fighting top competition when it's available (i.e. plenty of non-Haymon fighters at 168, WBSS), then there's a reason for it. He got over the line against Hart but not in a way that made anyone think "this guy is the real deal."

I saw quotes from Arum saying "are you kidding me" when asked about Ramirez-Chavez. I think it was after Chavez stunk the gaff out against Canelo. But considering Ramirez is doing F all else I'm surprised they haven't tried to lure Julio out for one last pay day.

[imaioral]

Ramirez uses his size and reach advantage very well, this combined with his skills leads him to easier fights. The really tough guy as high as him was Jesse Hart, tall, reasonable skilled, fast, with the chin and strong.... and Ramirez almost lost.

I really would like to see him vs Callum Smith, then the things will change... Even David Benavidez can give him a tough battle.

[Ruthless-RKO]

The frustrating thing is, he isn’t even fighting name opponents or even former world champions or even former world title challengers. He’s fighting Africans with misleading records which makes people think he’s going to have a tough fight.

[Enlightened-One]

He’s said again, he wants to unify.. but we’re still waiting for him to call out a champion.

Never mind fight another champion.

Most fighters lose respect after they win a world title. You can tell the ones that actually want big fights (Spence for example) and those that do not..

You're opinion is accurate.

However furthermore, none of Team Ramirez's people have ever
attempted to unify the belts.

[Ruthless-RKO]

He’s said again, he wants to unify.. but we’re still waiting for him to call out a champion.

Never mind fight another champion.

Most fighters lose respect after they win a world title. You can tell the ones that actually want big fights (Spence for example) and those that do not..

You're opinion is accurate.

However furthermore, none of Team Ramirez's people have ever
attempted to unify the belts.

On top of my head, from the Top Rank stable, I can think of Crawford who has actually wasted no time and unified. Even Loma has never unified. Arum is happy with his guys defending the WBO belt multiple times without chasinh unification. It’s kind of similar to some FW fighters, but I’m sure there must be a few other TR fighters that have tried to unify surely.

[Enlightened-One]

He’s said again, he wants to unify.. but we’re still waiting for him to call out a champion.

Never mind fight another champion.

Most fighters lose respect after they win a world title. You can tell the ones that actually want big fights (Spence for example) and those that do not..

You're opinion is accurate.

However furthermore, none of Team Ramirez's people have ever
attempted to unify the belts.

On top of my head, from the Top Rank stable, I can think of Crawford who has actually wasted no time and unified. Even Loma has never unified. Arum is happy with his guys defending the WBO belt multiple times without chasinh unification. It’s kind of similar to some FW fighters, but I’m sure there must be a few other TR fighters that have tried to unify surely.

Top Rank have indeed tried and also succeeded in negotiating title unification bouts for several fighters that are part of their roster, but have strangely never attempted to do the same for Zurdo.

I don’t recall the likes of Bob Arum, Todd duBoef, Jesús Zapari etc. to have ever claimed that they had initiated contact (or were in in discussions) with one of the other champions from the 168lbs division.

And let’s not forget that Bob Arum wouldn't allow Ramirez compete in the WBSS either.

That being said, I strongly suspect that Bob Arum would allow Zurdo to face one of the other world champions from the 168lbs weight division, as long as they were signed with Top Rank, as we may have seen Ramirez face David Benavidez, but the WBC champ was contractually-tied to another promoter.

[apollo creed]

Zurdo vs the weakest 168 title holder in DeGale may happen. TBH Zurdo was very well carefully matched. In this rhythm he could go 100-0.

[Enlightened-One]

Zurdo vs the weakest 168 title holder in DeGale may happen. TBH Zurdo was very well carefully matched. In this rhythm he could go 100-0.

I reckon James DeGale will lose his world title before he even considers facing Zurdo.

Apparently DeGale is likely to face his fellow countryman, Billy Joe Saunders, on the 15th September at London's O2 Arena.

The event/venue has already been booked, but the fight hasn't been officially announced yet.

[apollo creed]

Zurdo vs the weakest 168 title holder in DeGale may happen. TBH Zurdo was very well carefully matched. In this rhythm he could go 100-0.

I reckon James DeGale will lose his world title before he even considers facing Zurdo.

Apparently DeGale is likely to face his fellow countryman, Billy Joe Saunders, on the 15th September at London's O2 Arena.

The event/venue has already been booked, but the fight hasn't been officially announced yet.

Good fight. If this match will happen I'd like to see Zurdo facing Benavidez or Uzcategui.

[TheGingerBomber]

Ramirez is overrated by his own team, yet they can’t fathom putting him in with anyone bar Jesse Hart, who gave him a scare at times, boxed his head off. He’s so limited and doesn’t even carry huge power. It’s crazy because he’s so marketable they could have it least pushed for a Chavez Jnr fight.

[apollo creed]

Ramirez is overrated by his own team, yet they can’t fathom putting him in with anyone bar Jesse Hart, who gave him a scare at times, boxed his head off. He’s so limited and doesn’t even carry huge power. It’s crazy because he’s so marketable they could have it least pushed for a Chavez Jnr fight.

Sven Ottke route all the way! His team will handle his career very carefully till it's the time to cash out , maybe against Canelo if he's gonna move up at 168.

Zurdo vs Benavidez or Uzcategui would be nice fights.

[Mexi-Box]

Vlasov and Hart were both solid. Not a good title. Maybe ask when he's going to unify.

[jamamb]

zurdo does have some respectable wins but hes gone backwards. 3 of his last 4 were needlessly bad trash. not simply 'eh' opponents but downright bad. it has the look of a guy whose team wants to really cut down on risk now that he has a title.

the one decent opponent since he got a belt was a mandatory and a top rank fighter. so 1. he had to fight him and 2. if he lost top rank would stll have the winner. and of course zurdo won but it was tough, prob the type of fight that doesnt exactly give his ppl confidence in stepping him up

[KiwiRider]

Vlasov and Hart were both solid. Not a good title. Maybe ask when he's going to unify.

I dunno Mexi. Hart is pretty average, and Zurdo made a right meal out of it. Vlasov is a strange one, I still don't know what to make of him. All the top SMW's were in the WBSS except for Zurdo last year. If he actually wanted to unify and fight the best, he would have joined up. He was asked, it would have far exceeded anything he has earned so far, and the credo of winning makes good career sense. The fact he didn't says it all.

[Mexi-Box]

Vlasov and Hart were both solid. Not a good title. Maybe ask when he's going to unify.

I dunno Mexi. Hart is pretty average, and Zurdo made a right meal out of it. Vlasov is a strange one, I still don't know what to make of him. All the top SMW's were in the WBSS except for Zurdo last year. If he actually wanted to unify and fight the best, he would have joined up. He was asked, it would have far exceeded anything he has earned so far, and the credo of winning makes good career sense. The fact he didn't says it all.

Neither Dirrell, Plant, Benavidez, or Uzcategui joined the WBS. It was completely Eurocentric.

Hart isn't average. His competition hasn't be outstanding, but he's not making a habit of losing to average fighters. His style is boring, though. It's definitely a good win for Zurdo. Also, it was a competitive fight.

This thread title is more reserved for a guy like Zeuge.

[Luckybattles]

I’m a fan of canelo, Ramírez, Benavides, etc but I think that the sudden establishment of Mexican middleweights and super middle weights is a sign of the decline in American boxing..

[KiwiRider]

I’m a fan of canelo, Ramírez, Benavides, etc but I think that the sudden establishment of Mexican middleweights and super middle weights is a sign of the decline in American boxing..

I don't understand
Are you saying that because these Mexican MW & SMW are rising to the top, it's because the American guys are not good enough now to beat them?
If that is the case, I would counter that traditionally Mexican fighters have excelled in the smaller classes mainly because they were smaller as a race. Now your average Mexican is taller due to improvements in diet and improved living conditions. To me it doesn't say that either country is producing better or worse boxers, Mexico has always produced tough, fit and skilled guys, it's just that now the same guys are a little taller and heavier, and can compete in bigger classes.
If you want to talk about the decline in American boxing, it's right across the divisions, and it's also the competition from Eastern Europe (amongst others) of well disciplined amateur fighters entering the pro ranks.

[Luckybattles]

Thanks for your respnse. Not sure if human evolution happens that fast. I don’t think that Mexicans got bigger as a country due to diet. It may be argued that there is more poverty today in mexico than ever. Don’t think Mexicans went from 5’7 to 6’2 overnight. I saw a picture of zurdos parents in one of these pre-fight build ups and his parents were tall. Just seems like not long ago Mexicans couldn’t crack into the higher weights and now there are a handful of champs. Probably has something to do with no more Roy jones’s And James Toney’s and Bernard Hopkins’s,

[Andrew]

Is Ramirez a vulnerable fighter and he has been matched very carefully and wait for a big money name like Canelo to move up at 168 and cash out ?

I mean if Roamer Alexis Angulo gave Ramirez a good fight then I don't want to think what guys like Groves, Uzcategui, Benavidez or even Eubank Jr would do to him. A good name that Ramirez would have a chance is DeGale but that because DeGale he has faded as a fighter.

I have not watched Ramirez fights since Abraham except Hart. Purely because they were poor opponents.


But he would beat Eubank Jr no problem.

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[Luckybattles]

He took a hellacious bomb from a KO artist right on the Chin with his head up in the air as didn’t even flinch. He can take a punch l. He winds up too much and leaves himself open. Doesn’t use his great height and reach.