John L. Sullivan pic ???
John L. Sullivan pic ???
Hey would someone check out this page with me; tell me if you think it is as all possible the pic they posted is possibly John L Sullivan?
It is worth a look because below it is a great shot of Schmeling on the ropes (II) I never encountered before; but the Sullivan pic looks very wrong.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/01/spor ... -seat.html
It is worth a look because below it is a great shot of Schmeling on the ropes (II) I never encountered before; but the Sullivan pic looks very wrong.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/01/spor ... -seat.html
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HomicideHenry
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Re: John L. Sullivan pic ???

That is not John L. Sullivan
Heres Sullivan when he was young...




It doesn't really line up with the face.
Re: John L. Sullivan pic ???
Dann. I'm sure I saw that pic before. Have a look on CBZ. See if you can find who.
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Sidney Carton
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Re: John L. Sullivan pic ???
for the clueless
That is a well known photo of John L as a middleweight {teenager).
That is a well known photo of John L as a middleweight {teenager).
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HomicideHenry
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Re: John L. Sullivan pic ???
Sullivan never was a Middleweight.... He didn't start fighting in any form or fashion until he was 19 years old in 1877 as an amateur for one year, turning pro in 1879.
Re: John L. Sullivan pic ???
Whenever I see this picture it is usually annotated as the earliest known picture of Sullivan aged 19 years.
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Ambling Alp II
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Re: John L. Sullivan pic ???
The picture that says it was taken 1872 when Sullivan was 18 doesn't seem right all. First, it doesn't look Sullivan. It also look like someone well over 18. Also, Sullivan born in 1858, which means he couldn't have been over 14 in 1872.
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HomicideHenry
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Re: John L. Sullivan pic ???
Besides THE TEENAGE SULLIVAN was a baseball player... He had no real interest in boxing at that time... His experience playing ball as a kid helped him play a season or two for the Cincinnati Redstockings once he became Heavyweight champion.
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Ambling Alp II
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Re: John L. Sullivan pic ???
As is often the case, homicidehenry took a bit of correct information and then added his own "facts".
Sullivan didn't play for the Cincinnati Redstockings. They had disbanded long before Sullivan was in boxing.
He didn't "play a season or two of baseball" after he was the heavyweight champion.
He played some semi-pro baseball before he was the heavyweight champion.
Sullivan didn't play for the Cincinnati Redstockings. They had disbanded long before Sullivan was in boxing.
He didn't "play a season or two of baseball" after he was the heavyweight champion.
He played some semi-pro baseball before he was the heavyweight champion.
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Caractacus
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Re: John L. Sullivan pic ???
Nah,I don't think its "Jawnell".
He was born naturally Big and Burley (took after his Mother's side of the family).
the man in the photograph looks more like one of Gibb brothers think.
He was born naturally Big and Burley (took after his Mother's side of the family).
the man in the photograph looks more like one of Gibb brothers think.
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HomicideHenry
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Re: John L. Sullivan pic ???
http://www.thesweetscience.com/articles ... l-sullivan
My mistake he played exhibition games for the Boston Red Sox (Red Stockings), and turned down a contract to play for the Cincinnati Redstockings in 1879.
Still, the point was Sullivan was no fighter as a kid, he was a ball player, and that little bit of experience in the field let him rake in quite a bit of cash when he was a contender/champion.
My mistake he played exhibition games for the Boston Red Sox (Red Stockings), and turned down a contract to play for the Cincinnati Redstockings in 1879.
Still, the point was Sullivan was no fighter as a kid, he was a ball player, and that little bit of experience in the field let him rake in quite a bit of cash when he was a contender/champion.
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Ambling Alp II
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Re: John L. Sullivan pic ???
OK, just be careful with the facts in the future.