What's your P4P 10 from 2000-now?

[Grilling Machine]

Nothing for Vernon Forrest? Haye at cruiser?

[jamamb]

Nothing for Vernon Forrest? Haye at cruiser?

where would you rank haye at cruiser? certainly i dont think hes a p4p top 10'er at all over the last 18 years

at best maybe an outside honorable mention. no longevity at cruiser and enzo mac and fragomeni are top 3 wins for him there. mormeck was a good win but a huge struggle, and actually the frago win was tough too. just dont see how he stacks up to most guys mentioned

[Nightmare Roy]

If we are talking about a fighter at their very best for me it has to be Roy Jones, only an extraordinary fighter could school James Toney when he was also in his prime.

[Grilling Machine]

Nothing for Vernon Forrest? Haye at cruiser?

where would you rank haye at cruiser?

Based on peak ability or his record? At his peak, I think he was the best of his generation.

Mayweather's miles out in front if we're basing this on records, but he missed lots of guys in their primes, and some altogether.

I'm talking about Forrest and Haye in snapshot: the best P4Pers from any given time, even if only for one or two fights. Froch has a better record than Calzaghe and Ward, for example, but who rates him more highly?

[Sorono]

floyds number 1 easy

Any list that does not have FM at 1 is totally retarded. Statistically he is absolutely miles ahead.

You have never been more right.
Floyd is light years ahead of the number 2.

How can floyd be lightyears ahead of 2 when lost to castillo, had troubles with judah, maidana and ducked dangerous opponents such as prime psc & prime margarito and many other?

Jones from 1990-2000 is a good example of a #1 being lightyears ahaed 2 in that time period. Not only was he the best, but he dominated legends like toney or hopkins and made good opponents like pazienza or mccallum look like c level boxer. That is dominance. 90s jones would schooled opponents of the talent level of maidana and judah and not lose 4+ rds. And whenever floyd got into the ring with a legendary opponent it was far from very dominant. De la hoya, pacquiao, boring uds, where he wad running scared, far away from s brilliant performance.

[EJA]

Floyd

[squiggy]

Floyd

You mean like ten Floyds?

[tiny_acres]

Any list that does not have FM at 1 is totally retarded. Statistically he is absolutely miles ahead.

You have never been more right.
Floyd is light years ahead of the number 2.

How can floyd be lightyears ahead of 2 when lost to castillo, had troubles with judah, maidana and ducked dangerous opponents such as prime psc & prime margarito and many other?

Jones from 1990-2000 is a good example of a #1 being lightyears ahaed 2 in that time period. Not only was he the best, but he dominated legends like toney or hopkins and made good opponents like pazienza or mccallum look like c level boxer. That is dominance. 90s jones would schooled opponents of the talent level of maidana and judah and not lose 4+ rds. And whenever floyd got into the ring with a legendary opponent it was far from very dominant. De la hoya, pacquiao, boring uds, where he wad running scared, far away from s brilliant performance.

Your hatred clouds your objectivity

[Sorono]

You have never been more right.
Floyd is light years ahead of the number 2.

How can floyd be lightyears ahead of 2 when lost to castillo, had troubles with judah, maidana and ducked dangerous opponents such as prime psc & prime margarito and many other?

Jones from 1990-2000 is a good example of a #1 being lightyears ahaed 2 in that time period. Not only was he the best, but he dominated legends like toney or hopkins and made good opponents like pazienza or mccallum look like c level boxer. That is dominance. 90s jones would schooled opponents of the talent level of maidana and judah and not lose 4+ rds. And whenever floyd got into the ring with a legendary opponent it was far from very dominant. De la hoya, pacquiao, boring uds, where he wad running scared, far away from s brilliant performance.

Your hatred clouds your objectivity

Unlike most of you guys i have floyd inside my top 7 atg. There is no hatred.

Jones and loma in prime are better than prime floyd. Prime pac is tough, but since manny is naturaly lighter smaller and would still give floyd hell, what would a same weight manny do to floyd. Floyd height and longer reach is a problem for manny. Prime mannys relentless attacks stamina and speed is a problem for floyd. Close.

[Enlightened-One]

If we are talking about a fighter at their very best for me it has to be Roy Jones, only an extraordinary fighter could school James Toney when he was also in his prime.

Is the thread not about pound-for-pound fighters in the context of the year 2000 until the present day?

Is it unreasonable to suggest that Roy’s best years were prior to the start of the Millennium?

Is it reasonable to claim that Jones Jr’s accomplishments during the current century were overshadowed by several other fighters?